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DE, fix your sortie rewards table! AGAIN!


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41 minutes ago, Stormandreas said:

I don't see how a Token system is a trap. I've played many games with a Token System, and many with RNG, and I find that the players using the Token System are far more motivated. They can see their rewards, and they can work towards them, rather than flipping a coin and always getting heads.

A token system provides players with goals, where as RNG forces you to rely on pure luck. DE's RNG has always been very scewed, sometimes more than others, and its very tiresome to play a game that you know has some of the worst odds out there.

Other games with such thou have more motivatiosn with like high scores or high end raids, this is a F2P Game still and if token system whould be in, people get what they want and would stop playing if the rest nto interessts them. Which will eventualy end up with teh game loosing a playerbase amount, sure some leave also becasue of the RNG but it technicly is less then with what a token system would do, RNG as dumb it soudns is motivation for others, the hope of gettign something worth while, its gambling, simple as it is, do people in Casinos complain about there luck? Sure, but they still play, addiction or not.

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lets be brutally honest here
rivens are in no way shape or form a common reward,
something has been stealth changed for a few months now
im sick to the back teeth of getting these sculptures and lenses, its unrewarding, and as a 3 year vet, sorties are all i have left to log in and do.

its getting old now. logging in making a 30 - 40 minute slog of the same tiresome mission types with the same tiresome handicaps only to get trash as my reward for doing so

somethings gotta change, and tokens are the way

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DE is doing itself a big disservice by not making riven mods realy common rewards in sorties.

If it was really so you wouldn't get ananas ayatam 16 times in a row, at the same time you would be buying extra riven mods just to keep up with your stock of them...

Would be a win win situation

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On 22/05/2017 at 4:33 AM, Stonehenge said:

That is, indeed, a great joke.

Well, it doesn't matter if Rivens are "common". There is a secondary RNG roll to see what weapon they are for - and there's a LOT of them - then there is extra RNG on top of that for re-rolls if you get something abysmally bad. like "extra Crit" on non Crit weapons, or "less Recoil" ... on my Flux Rifle.

Lot's of RNG layers.

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On 2017-5-22 at 1:30 AM, maj.death said:

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Enough of this RNG crap and assuming that players are JUST having crappy luck.

Would you like it when people responded with that GIF and outright dismissed any possible issues and concerns the poster is having?
Imagine that people told you that "it is RNG", when you purchased many Relics Pack from the Syndicate and not getting any new Relics.
When the truth is that DE had forgotten to add them for the Syndicate Relics Pack.

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On 2017-5-23 at 1:13 AM, -Dasine- said:

lets be brutally honest here

Some people just want to be self-consoling ... Oh it's RNG.

On 2017-5-23 at 1:13 AM, -Dasine- said:

rivens are in no way shape or form a common reward

Well, it depend on what you defining/basing it from. Let me break it down...
Using Relic rewards as reference point:
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This is how the Sortie rewards look like:
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It is less likely to get "Common" compared to a Radiant Relic.

On 2017-5-23 at 1:13 AM, -Dasine- said:

im sick to the back teeth of getting these sculptures and lenses, its unrewarding, and as a 3 year vet, sorties are all i have left to log in and do.

its getting old now. logging in making a 30 - 40 minute slog of the same tiresome mission types with the same tiresome handicaps only to get trash as my reward for doing so

From a long time veteran's perspective and definition of trash, you probably only wanted the Rivens and maybe the Legendary Core.
If so, ~80% of the Sortie rewards are trashes. ~20% is Rivens.
Your chance of getting Sculptures(28%) and Lenses(20%) would be ~48% in a Sortie. Including Endo(12.1%), it would be ~60%.

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And if I go more in depth...
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Well... only ~1.6% chance of getting a Shotgun Riven.

 

On 2017-5-24 at 4:47 PM, DSpite said:

Lot's of RNG layers.

As you can see... indeed... Chance for rolling the stats that you wanted for Riven would be much lower.

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19 minutes ago, Ditto132 said:

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This just completely proves the point that we need a token system.

The sheer fact we have 3 layers of RNG to work through to try and get the reward we want, narrowing down to about a 1% if not less chance of getting what we want, is just unacceptable.

In no game you should have >1% chance of getting what you are wanting out of the game or any of its systems, and yet, here we are, with Warframe's Sorties. AFAIK, and my experience with other games, Warframe is the only game with this atrocious of a loot system.

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On 5/25/2017 at 7:28 PM, Ditto132 said:

Some people just want to be self-consoling ... Oh it's RNG.

Well, it depend on what you defining/basing it from. Let me break it down...
Using Relic rewards as reference point:
xJOFr76.png

This is how the Sortie rewards look like:
eD2xy8C.png

It is less likely to get "Common" compared to a Radiant Relic.

From a long time veteran's perspective and definition of trash, you probably only wanted the Rivens and maybe the Legendary Core.
If so, ~80% of the Sortie rewards are trashes. ~20% is Rivens.
Your chance of getting Sculptures(28%) and Lenses(20%) would be ~48% in a Sortie. Including Endo(12.1%), it would be ~60%.

rPxaRhw.png

And if I go more in depth...
Hq1ztCA.png

Well... only ~1.6% chance of getting a Shotgun Riven.

 

As you can see... indeed... Chance for rolling the stats that you wanted for Riven would be much lower.


thankyou for puttting the time and effort into this, best post on the subject by far
and it highlights the problem perfectly, focus lens are a higher chance of dropping than a riven, and they arnt a common reward iirc

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On 2017-5-27 at 5:03 PM, -Dasine- said:

thankyou for puttting the time and effort into this, best post on the subject by far
and it highlights the problem perfectly, focus lens are a higher chance of dropping than a riven, and they arnt a common reward iirc

Also thanks for appreciating the hours I put into making it.
With images, I hoped that people would understand the situation better and stop replying with responses such as "just bad RNG".
Even RNG can have bugs too.

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