I think Oberon is i̶n̶ ̶a̶ ̶p̶r̶e̶t̶t̶y̶ ̶g̶o̶o̶d̶ ̶s̶p̶o̶t the best frame right now

[(XBOX)Ivan of Jupiter]

26 minutes ago, Darkvramp said:

I understand his role, and it is nowhere, and if he sounds useless he is useless that's how that works.

This comment here shows how blind you are. 

"He sounds useless therefore he is." Never mind seeing what he can do in practice.

[(PSN)CaptainIMalik]

Good spots can still be cleaned and improved

[SenorClipClop]

9 minutes ago, Darkvramp said:

to be as good as trinity he would have to A provide damage reduction that scales, B provide that same lvl of damage reduction to the team,  C give people energy, D HEAL INSTANTLY.

I know. Oberon is not nearly as good at healing as Trinity. My point is that if he were as good, Trinity would be useless by comparison because Bro could do all she could plus damage and CC. Generalists aren't allowed to be as good as specialists in the thing they specialize in.

11 minutes ago, Darkvramp said:

Frost is leagues better than oberon, because his cc last longer and he has damage mitigation as long as you stay in the bubble vs oberons minuscule damage reduction as long as you are on the tiny conic hollowed ground when he casts renewal. frost also cracks armor with greater efficiency than oberon can.

It really depends on what you want to use a Warframe for. But sure, let's compare. Frost can't heal, and his defensive Snowglobe only stays in one spot. You're safer in Snowglobe, but you can't move around much. (It also blocks ally fire from outside the globe, so an overzealous Frost can actually hinder a team.) The Armor buff from Bro's 2+3 combo stays on the Tenno even after leaving HG. Frost's ult reduces Armor a little better than Oberon's -- by 5% -- but Avalanche's Armor reduction is only for 8 seconds and can't stack, while Oberon's is permanent and can stack. Ice Wave has better CC than Hallowed Ground, but HG outdamages IW as long as enemies are on it for at least 3 seconds, and also HG provides status cleanse and immunity, great for Kuva Floods and supporting squishy caster frames. Freeze is, let's be honest, very weak, while Smite is among the strongest 1s in the game. If we also wanna talk about passives, Oberon's gives Pets greater sustain, a free instant revive and more frequent activated abilities (ie. more red crits and double resource drops). Frost's passive is one of the least useful things I've ever seen, ever.

I'm not saying Frost is worse. There are some things Frost does better, and some things Oberon does better. Overall I see them as comparable.

[(XBOX)Ivan of Jupiter]

7 minutes ago, (PS4)CaptainIMalik said:

Good spots can still be cleaned and improved

True, but a lot of the words being thrown around (useless, worthless, sucks, absolute S#&$) don't apply to him anymore. He's a great frame to have around. Objectively over powered if you're a newbie and get him early. Able to crush anything before level 30. He may struggle with higher levels, but hat just means he's needs a cohesive team to back him up.

Could he be better? Sure. Does he need to be better? Not necessarily.

[(PSN)CaptainIMalik]

4 minutes ago, (Xbox One)DRG JupiterIvan said:

True, but a lot of the words being thrown around (useless, worthless, sucks, absolute S#&$) don't apply to him anymore. He's a great frame to have around. Objectively over powered if you're a newbie and get him early. Able to crush anything before level 30. He may struggle with higher levels, but hat just means he's needs a cohesive team to back him up.

Could he be better? Sure. Does he need to be better? Not necessarily.

Does he need to be better? Better usually equates to quality and quality usually equates to sales. 

 

[Hypernaut1]

I don't get all this talk of "anything Oberon can do, another frame can do better"... What frame heals, CCs, damages, clears status and strips armor all at the same time? Equinox is close, but she still needs to switch forms and can't heal as fast.

Since his rework I haven't had sortie i couldn't take him to. 

 

 

[(XBOX)Ivan of Jupiter]

1 minute ago, (PS4)CaptainIMalik said:

Does he need to be better? Better usually equates to quality and quality usually equates to sales. 

 

So should balance be a flavor of the month kind of deal? Where only frames that just got or are getting primed become god tier just for the sake of sales? I refuse to accept that kind of logic. It's not good for the game.

Oberon is quite a skill gap. To be a good Oberon you need to get out of your comfort zone. Increase his abilities effectiveness, on par with other frames and you've just made half the roster pointless because Oberon would be able to handle any situation at any time better than any frame. Right now there are better healers. Better damage dealers. Better CCers. But you want all of it in one frame, Oberon is you man. But you have to understand that because of this, he's less powerful in all aspects compared to other frames.

Like I said. DE could just turn up the dial and make him god like for the sake of pushing out PA, but it would be horrible for the games balance.

[(PSN)CaptainIMalik]

Just now, (Xbox One)DRG JupiterIvan said:

So should balance be a flavor of the month kind of deal? Where only frames that just got or are getting primed become god tier just for the sake of sales? I refuse to accept that kind of logic. It's not good for the game.

Oberon is quite a skill gap. To be a good Oberon you need to get out of your comfort zone. Increase his abilities effectiveness, on par with other frames and you've just made half the roster pointless because Oberon would be able to handle any situation at any time better than any frame. Right now there are better healers. Better damage dealers. Better CCers. But you want all of it in one frame, Oberon is you man. But you have to understand that because of this, he's less powerful in all aspects compared to other frames.

Like I said. DE could just turn up the dial and make him god like for the sake of pushing out PA, but it would be horrible for the games balance.

DE is a business, any opportunity to make money is a good avenue if it ensures the company to a better future in some ways. 

Logically, people will like the frame more if he is "better" which is subjective but determining the skill level will depend on the player perfoming in the situation. It's not the frames being more powerful but more so the enemies in other aspects like them needing to be smarter if you want to show skill.

Being better won't make him Saitaman from One Punch Man if they are careful. 

[Hypernaut1]

People also need to take into account that just because Trinity is the best at healing, doesnt mean I want to play as Trinity just to heal. Personally, I have no interest at all in using Trinity. 

It's not just about the meta. I'll take whatever additional buffs DE wants to give Oberon, but I can't be dishonest and act like he's still a bad frame. I can literally take him into all content now and he performs well. He's not getting one shot (augment helps with that too), can help squishier frames, while providing CC and stripping armor. 

Im enjoying his rework and actually use all of his skills constantly now. That is one sign of a good rework to me. 

[Jeoxz]

He's fun, his kit is different AND IT WORKS. For my playstyle he's one of the best frames an I can't wait for the prime.

Also, no other frame can do his job, Trinity can burst heal on affinity range, Oberon heals over time on infinite range. I don't see any other frame giving armor buffs. And his one has scaling damage, people really down play this one, Raptors, Hyenas and other non-invincible bosses(like razorback) go down in a couple of casts.(Although his 4 is basically mag's crush, still has uses).

Nice chem joke btw

[Pyus]

Harrow will be a better Oberon than Oberon will ever be. Let that sink in.

 

[PH]Penance: Harrow sacrifices his shields to gain weapon fire rate and reload speed bonuses, with duration based on the amount of shields drained. While active, a percentage of any damage dealt to enemies converts into healing for Harrow and his allies within Affinity Range.

Edited May 25, 2017 by Pyus

[--GOOLOO_GOOLOO_GOOLOO--]

2 hours ago, SenorClipClop said:

I know. Oberon is not nearly as good at healing as Trinity. My point is that if he were as good, Trinity would be useless by comparison because Bro could do all she could plus damage and CC. Generalists aren't allowed to be as good as specialists in the thing they specialize in.

 

Basically let's say this too.

Let's just suppose Oberon got better healing than trinity.... then people would be like psssh why would i play trinity when Oberon has better healing PLUS all this fancy havoc-wreaking hitscan CC and buffing (smite infusion is pretty good) that he can do while shooting, reloading, and jumping anytime.

[MirageKnight]

10 minutes ago, --GOOLOO_GOOLOO_GOOLOO-- said:

Basically let's say this too.

Let's just suppose Oberon got better healing than trinity.... then people would be like psssh why would i play trinity when Oberon has better healing PLUS all this fancy havoc-wreaking hitscan CC and buffing (smite infusion is pretty good) that he can do while shooting, reloading, and jumping anytime.

This has been one of my concerns with regard to buffing Oberon's abilities: The very real chance of out-right invalidating another 'Frame. As a fan of Oberon, I certainly want him to shine a bit more but not to the put where he overshadows a lot of other 'Frames to the point where they wind up collecting dust.

[(XBOX)YoungGunn82]

Megan's posted another Oberon tweed:

-Oberon’s Renewal Armor buff will be applied to allies anytime they step on Hallowed Ground while Renewal is active on them as opposed to them having to be on Hallowed Ground when Renewal hits them. 

How much armor is buffed?

Edited May 25, 2017 by (XB1)FCastle74

[Neo3602]

2 minutes ago, (Xbox One)FCastle74 said:

 

How much armor is buffed?

 

 Armor is buffed by 200 before power strength mods.

[(XBOX)YoungGunn82]

2 minutes ago, Neo3602 said:

 Armor is buffed by 200 before power strength mods.

So if I have 65 armor, the buff will give me 200 additional? 200+65=265?

Edited May 25, 2017 by (XB1)FCastle74

[Neo3602]

Just now, (Xbox One)FCastle74 said:

So if I have 65 armor, the buff will give me 200 additional. 200+65=265?

yes

[(XBOX)YoungGunn82]

Just now, Neo3602 said:

yes

Holy Lotus. Should work during peacmaker right? Some sweet synergy that would be 

[DxAdder]

This pretty well says it all for me :

 

 

[(XBOX)Ivan of Jupiter]

57 minutes ago, (Xbox One)FCastle74 said:

Holy Lotus. Should work during peacmaker right? Some sweet synergy that would be 

Now you see where his strengths lie. Synergy between other frames.

52 minutes ago, DxAdder said:

This pretty well says it all for me :

 

 

God I hate Brozime. Time and time again he fails to understand the basics of a frame. He's a simulacrum warrior. So eager to spawn in a high level enemy and expect every frame to Solo handle it without any outside help. The simulacrum does not accurately show how a well balanced team set up works. As in, the kind of set up where you'd find an Oberon. I'm not even going to watch that whole thing. I fast forawarded to a part where he ripped on Reckonings ability to strip armor. And that's all I could stomach. Because every frame should totally have a 100% armor stripping ability. Yes it can't reach 100% armor strip, but repeated casts stack its armor strippping potential. It's a bonus effect that's supposed to give you a slight edge, that's all. After his video comparing Excalibur EB to Saryns kit I couldn't help but laugh and I seriously can't take anything this dude has to say seriosuly.

Edited May 26, 2017 by (XB1)DRG JupiterIvan

[Avynire]

Have not use Oberon long enough to know where he belong. From the prime release i'm personally more interested on the weapons than Oberon prime, lets just hope the resource to build it not too ridiculous or is it why DE give us 3 days resource Booster

[(XBOX)ReadingFire229]

The people here who called him useless are the best comedians i have ever heard.

[Wolfdoggie]

Is this like somekinda Warframe Nen chart?

[(PSN)Lei-Lei_23]

18 minutes ago, Hypernaut1 said:

I don't get all this talk of "anything Oberon can do, another frame can do better"... What frame heals, CCs, damages, clears status and strips armor all at the same time? Equinox is close, but she still needs to switch forms and can't heal as fast.

Since his rework I haven't had sortie i couldn't take him to. 

 

 

Pretty much this. Reckoning is still a hard CC. [Phoenix] Renewal and Hallowed Ground makes him survivable (forget your damned teammates /s). That's all there really is to being an effective Oberon imo. At least that's how I play him in Sorties.

[SenorClipClop]

1 hour ago, (Xbox One)FCastle74 said:

Megan's posted another Oberon tweed:

-Oberon’s Renewal Armor buff will be applied to allies anytime they step on Hallowed Ground while Renewal is active on them as opposed to them having to be on Hallowed Ground when Renewal hits them. 

How much armor is buffed?

I am now completely satisfied. This is the last thing I needed.