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This question assumes a Reaper invasion from outside the Origin System in the setting of Warframe, meaning the Orokin are long dead and the Grineer and Corpus and Infestation and Tenno are all fighting it out. In this situation, does the Origin System stand a chance? Do note that while the Tenno and their Warframes are infinitely more powerful than the strongest Asari biotic commando, Mass Effect has artillery that can fire at 1% of the speed of light, and that can't penetrate Reaper armor. There is no equivalent in the Warframe universe to this. But the Tenno have the power of the Void and the power of elemental weaponry. Seeing that the Tenno frequently fight alongside Corpus and Grineer forces, they can band together to fight this threat.

What do you guys think?

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8 minutes ago, (PS4)MilipePendes007 said:

This question assumes a Reaper invasion from outside the Origin System in the setting of Warframe, meaning the Orokin are long dead and the Grineer and Corpus and Infestation and Tenno are all fighting it out. In this situation, does the Origin System stand a chance? Do note that while the Tenno and their Warframes are infinitely more powerful than the strongest Asari biotic commando, Mass Effect has artillery that can fire at 1% of the speed of light, and that can't penetrate Reaper armor. There is no equivalent in the Warframe universe to this. But the Tenno have the power of the Void and the power of elemental weaponry. Seeing that the Tenno frequently fight alongside Corpus and Grineer forces, they can band together to fight this threat.

What do you guys think?

reapers win, then infestation consume reapers and life ends

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Reapers, period. The cycle continues.

One Tenno is relatively comparable to a special ops soldier from the ME universe. The Tenno are far, far more limited in number then even the Systems Alliance alone. Again, Reapers.

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1 minute ago, Twilight_Vanguard said:

Give us some credit Tenno can hold there own and push the reapers back given time.

No. Time is what you don't have when it concerns the Reapers. The Protheans fought them for well over a century and were annihilated.

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3 minutes ago, Twilight_Vanguard said:

Give us some credit Tenno can hold there own and push the reapers back given time.

except your talking about 1 system full of maybe 200-300 tenno tops, whereas the reapers have 'numbers to darken the sky of every world' if anything else we would just be overrun by sheer numbers and can you immagine a controlled tenno? holy S#&$ that would be op, make a banshee seem like a lapdog (uhh mass effect banshee, not the warframe)

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It'd probably be the same result as facing Sentients, in all fairness.  That being said, this stipulates that the Reapers are an entirely different class and haven't been exposed to Warframes, since this is taking place in the Warframe universe.  And if they threatened all life, it's possible that even the Sentients might intervene since at least part of their existence would be challenged.  I'm sure they'd have a harder time dealing with Limbo because of the whole Rift Plane thing.

Basically, if Tenno don't screw around they at least stand a shadow of a chance but it'd have to be some movie-esque miracle to get all the factions to band together.  They might be able to take down one Reaper here and there but the longer the fight drags on, the more doomed the Tenno are.

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1 minute ago, Retequizzle said:

It'd probably be the same result as facing Sentients, in all fairness.  That being said, this stipulates that the Reapers are an entirely different class and haven't been exposed to Warframes, since this is taking place in the Warframe universe.  And if they threatened all life, it's possible that even the Sentients might intervene since at least part of their existence would be challenged.  I'm sure they'd have a harder time dealing with Limbo because of the whole Rift Plane thing.

Basically, if Tenno don't screw around they at least stand a shadow of a chance but it'd have to be some movie-esque miracle to get all the factions to band together.  They might be able to take down one Reaper here and there but the longer the fight drags on, the more doomed the Tenno are.

That can work on the other end of the spectrum as well. The Tenno have never encountered something as insidious and treacherous.. as well as utterly irreversible as Reaper indoctrination before.

The Reapers have hordes of minions and you can bet it will be a matter of time before Corpus, Grineer and Infested will become part of the Reaper ranks. And yes, even Tenno. Only synthetics have been shown to be immune to Reaper indoctrination.

Hell, even just being around Reaper debris will cause someone to become indoctrinated with enough time. And a war against the Reapers lasts decades to centuries, not months to years.

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6 minutes ago, Retequizzle said:

It'd probably be the same result as facing Sentients, in all fairness.  That being said, this stipulates that the Reapers are an entirely different class and haven't been exposed to Warframes, since this is taking place in the Warframe universe.  And if they threatened all life, it's possible that even the Sentients might intervene since at least part of their existence would be challenged.  I'm sure they'd have a harder time dealing with Limbo because of the whole Rift Plane thing.

Basically, if Tenno don't screw around they at least stand a shadow of a chance but it'd have to be some movie-esque miracle to get all the factions to band together.  They might be able to take down one Reaper here and there but the longer the fight drags on, the more doomed the Tenno are.

somehow i doubt being in the rift plain for a few minutes would save you if a blackstar consumed the area your sitting in

1 minute ago, Artorius-Alter said:

That can work on the other end of the spectrum as well. The Tenno have never encountered something as insidious and treacherous.. as well as utterly irreversible as Reaper indoctrination before.

The Reapers have hordes of minions and you can bet it will be a matter of time before Corpus, Grineer and Infested will become part of the Reaper ranks. And yes, even Tenno. Only synthetics have been shown to be immune to Reaper indoctrination.

Hell, even just being around Reaper debris will cause someone to become indoctrinated with enough time. And a war against the Reapers lasts decades to centuries, not months to years.

and even if the synthetic life is immune would the sentients be able to hold out against the advanced reaper technology, i mean senteints have existed for a few thousand years, thats nothing to the advancements the reapers would have made in the countless billions they existed in ill bet the sentients would be tricked to following the reapers willingly follow them, or the reapers would create some type of code to force them to help

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3 minutes ago, Artorius-Alter said:

That can work on the other end of the spectrum as well. The Tenno have never encountered something as insidious and treacherous.. as well as utterly irreversible as Reaper indoctrination before.

The Reapers have hordes of minions and you can bet it will be a matter of time before Corpus, Grineer and Infested will become part of the Reaper ranks. And yes, even Tenno. Only synthetics have been shown to be immune to Reaper indoctrination.

Hell, even just being around Reaper debris will cause someone to become indoctrinated with enough time. And a war against the Reapers lasts decades to centuries, not months to years.

Considering the fact that the Tenno are not literally in the presence of the Reapers, it would be almost impossible to indoctrinate. Also, don't forget, the Tenno were exposed to the Void, something we could easily equate to seeing several more dimensions of existence than the three you and I perceive. And they didn't go insane then -if anything, they became stronger.

Since we know how Reaper Indoctrination works (sound waves targetted to specific parts of the brain to induce hallucinations and specific hormone imbalances), I doubt they would come anywhere even remotely close to seeing the world from the viewpoint of at least 4 (if not a dozen) spatial dimensions (not to mention the temporal ones). We endured the Void, the Reapers would hardly be able to subdue us.

That said, it's also a matter of sheer firepower. While the Reapers do possess extremely powerful weaponry, they are grossly, shall we say, understaffed in terms of ground troops. Shepard and his team tore through Reaper ground forces with ease (at least, I never had to reload the game, even on Hard), meaning that our Tenno would have absolutely no issue simply obliterating the Reaper ground forces. What issues then crop up are; how would they deal damage to the Reapers themselves?

While the Reapers did initiate ground assaults, this was more out of arrogance and sense of superiority. Once we'd prove them not to be invincible, they'd quite likely simply sit in space and rain justice from above until everything is dead. Our only hope of dealing damage to them would be to sneak INSIDE a Reaper and tear them apart from the inside out. All things considered, they are unmanned and possess no robotics inside, so taking a high-enough yield explosive to their core could conceivably destroy them.

It then becomes a battle of attrition; can we manufacture and deliver enough of these explosives to kill the Reapers, before we run out of resources? Seeing as how Reapers have no way of restoring their numbers (not without destroying huge amounts of population just for ONE reaper, meaning they would get MAYBE one Reaper per habitated planet), it comes down to logistics; would our million registered Tenno fight? Would the Grineer provide the resources? The Corpus the technology and funds? If so, yes, it is possible and even plausible. However, with geniuses like Frohd Bek... I kinda have to doubt.

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10 minutes ago, Licitaqua said:

i mean senteints have existed for a few thousand years, thats nothing to the advancements the reapers would have made in the countless billions they existed in ill bet the sentients would be tricked to following the reapers willingly follow them, or the reapers would create some type of code to force them to help

Thing is... the Reapers have made NO advancements. They started where they started, and have seemingly not grown at all. Rather static of them -and one of my issues with the lore. They seem to integrate whatever new shiny tech they scavenge into new Reapers and then duplicate it, but they haven't really created anything 'new'.

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Just now, Lyravain said:

Thing is... the Reapers have made NO advancements. They started where they started, and have seemingly not grown at all. Rather static of them -and one of my issues with the lore. They seem to integrate whatever new shiny tech they scavenge into new Reapers and then duplicate it, but they haven't really created anything 'new'.

then where did teh blackstar come from? or you could say they reached the pinichel of technological achievement many cycles ago and havent been able to advance further

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Reapers win, because the Tenno have yet to display any power on the scale of a Fomorian's main laser, which the Reapers have in spades. Aslo, Reaper "ships" have displayed no critical weaknesses like a giant core that the Tenno could just shoot the nipples off of, to cause the entire thing to self destruct. If a Tenno tried to board a Reaper, we have no idea how well the Transference signal would operate in the presence of the Indoctrination signal. It's not a question of the Reapers taking control of the Tenno, but the Reapers possibly taking control or merely shutting down the Warframes.

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4 minutes ago, Wrum said:

how many valkyrs are we allowed?

how many players have valkyr?

 

17 minutes ago, Lyravain said:

While the Reapers did initiate ground assaults, this was more out of arrogance and sense of superiority. Once we'd prove them not to be invincible, they'd quite likely simply sit in space and rain justice from above until everything is dead. Our only hope of dealing damage to them would be to sneak INSIDE a Reaper and tear them apart from the inside out. All things considered, they are unmanned and possess no robotics inside, so taking a high-enough yield explosive to their core could conceivably destroy them.

It then becomes a battle of attrition; can we manufacture and deliver enough of these explosives to kill the Reapers, before we run out of resources? Seeing as how Reapers have no way of restoring their numbers (not without destroying huge amounts of population just for ONE reaper, meaning they would get MAYBE one Reaper per habitated planet), it comes down to logistics; would our million registered Tenno fight? Would the Grineer provide the resources? The Corpus the technology and funds? If so, yes, it is possible and even plausible. However, with geniuses like Frohd Bek... I kinda have to doubt.

even if it turns out that the spacekids could surive and ignore indoctrination, the reapers have 'numbers to darken the sky of every world' it would take more resources then exist in the entirety of the origin system to actually kill every reaper

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Just now, Licitaqua said:

even if it turns out that the spacekids could surive and ignore indoctrination, the reapers have 'numbers to darken the sky of every world' it would take more resources then exist in the entirety of the origin system to actually kill every reaper

who needs resources? just punch em' in the face with valkyr.

and yes that is my solution to all of my problems.

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Just now, Wrum said:

who needs resources? just punch em' in the face with valkyr.

and yes that is my solution to all of my problems.

could a valkyr survive a direct blast to a formorian laser? no, she cant, those things litterally blast whole relays appart with a single hit. keep it in mind that the reapers weaponry is likely about 500x if not 1000sx more powerful then a formorian laser

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hmm, interesting prospect. While the tenno excel at strategic sabotage (or at least prefer it), there are many types of warframes that perform exceedingly well in a chaotic battlefield environment. They are also exponentially more effective in groups (think a 4 frame squad vs an 8 frame one). I think the key here is how the tennos efforts are co-ordinated. The Lotus would be key here.

I also wonder if indoctrination could wrestle control of warframes from the tenno? 

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Reapers win 9 out of 10 times. Reapers were so incredibly overpowered in the Mass Effect lore that they wrote themselves into a corner and had to use deus ex machina to end the trilogy.

So the Warframes would manage to fight back on land. Guess what? Everything on land is smoke and mirrors. They are corpses of the enemies already taken and mind controlled zombies. Whatever you do on land makes no effect against the Reaper's campaign. They'd only slow (or halt) the Reaper's advance, but each one is the collective consciousness of an entire civilization. Their intelligence is unfathomable. They'd find a way while the Tenno have no means of fighting a Reaper successfully.

Now, move on to the actual Reapers: " One armament common with the various subtypes is a powerful "magnetohydrodynamic" weapon which ejects a stream of molten metal at a fraction of the speed of light, capable of tearing through a cruiser in a single sustained burst. The gigantic spinal-mounted gun of capital-class Reapers is able to rip through the hulls of even the largest of dreadnought-class ships with ease, effortlessly penetrating their kinetic shields. Reaper defences include powerful shields that could block the projectiles of an entire fleet, along with an incredibly strong hull. "

Now imagine a fleet of those things. The size of a city. How many? Enough to "darken the sky". I'm sorry but there's nothing anyone can do against a Reaper fleet without deus ex machina.

Small race assessment:

Tenno: Would fight bravely commanding everyone but ultimately die, being unable to fight a Reaper. Also with the great amount of edgy players we have, there would be a considerable amount of indoctrinated betrayers being Tenno.
Grineer: Would send everything they have and clone at accelerated rates. Maybe even be the bulk of a resistance army, but their ships (even fomoarians) would be as strong as cardboard compared to the Reapers.
Corpus: First ones to be indoctrinated. They'd betray the Origin System within hours of the Reaper's appearance.
Infested: The bulk of the Reaper army. They'd indoctrinate them first and use their numbers to control the ground.
Sentient: This one's a wild card. Can't really tell but they are put as being very powerful. Maybe they can fight the Reapers or perhaps even go full "Geth" and subdue to them immediately.
Orokin: They're going to be glad to be dead.

(by the way, that "1" time of the 9 out of 10 is in case a Reaper trips and causes a domino effect of death)

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11 minutes ago, Heatnix. said:

Reapers win 9 out of 10 times. Reapers were so incredibly overpowered in the Mass Effect lore that they wrote themselves into a corner and had to use deus ex machina to end the trilogy.

So the Warframes would manage to fight back on land. Guess what? Everything on land is smoke and mirrors. They are corpses of the enemies already taken and mind controlled zombies. Whatever you do on land makes no effect against the Reaper's campaign. They'd only slow (or halt) the Reaper's advance, but each one is the collective consciousness of an entire civilization. Their intelligence is unfathomable. They'd find a way while the Tenno have no means of fighting a Reaper successfully.

Now, move on to the actual Reapers: " One armament common with the various subtypes is a powerful "magnetohydrodynamic" weapon which ejects a stream of molten metal at a fraction of the speed of light, capable of tearing through a cruiser in a single sustained burst. The gigantic spinal-mounted gun of capital-class Reapers is able to rip through the hulls of even the largest of dreadnought-class ships with ease, effortlessly penetrating their kinetic shields. Reaper defences include powerful shields that could block the projectiles of an entire fleet, along with an incredibly strong hull. "

Now imagine a fleet of those things. The size of a city. How many? Enough to "darken the sky". I'm sorry but there's nothing anyone can do against a Reaper fleet without deus ex machina.

(by the way, that "1" time of the 9 out of 10 is in case a Reaper trips and causes a domino effect of death)

We already have space zombies, they are called infested here, and would love to reach out and get to know a Techno-organic synthetic life-form cobbled together from the collective biomass of entire civilizations. If Grineer can keep up with 26 million space ninja committing genocide on them with a new batch, I figure that is pretty good on the old endless numbers of husk derivatives. We also have our friendly neighborhood space merchants/machine cult to try to study and reverse engineer any Reaper tech they could get their Space Suited mitts on. The main weapon of the Mass Effect universe and even that main gun are Gauss, Coil, Rail Gun, or even called Mass Driver tech; several weapons made by the Corpus and Orokin seem to use this technology as well (though in game, they are slower than Grineer bullets so we can't have everything); many of these technologies work upon applied magnetic principles and if I have seen anything in Warframe its that with enough annoyances the Grineer and Corpus alone can develop tech to counter energy buildup and displacement. That doesn't even factor in Warframe's own Reaper stand-ins, the Sentient.

Honestly, the problem Warframe's factions would have is preparation time and infrastructure damage, which I am sure if the Reapers knew anything about Warframe's tech versus their own; would attack first similar to the Mass Driver based tech of the Mass Effect Relays, the Tenno Junctions and faction Solar Rails would likely be eliminated to prevent fast travel through the system. A problem with this is that unlike the universe of Mass Effect, Tenno, Corrupted, Grineer with a Balor Fomorian or Grustag 3; and probably even the Corpus since they helped restore the Fomorians - can utilize at least limited point to point teleportation and get Troops into a structure like the Reapers themselves. A void cascade bomb might be sufficient per Reaper, but that would probably grow tired for both sides; not that any of the factions involved would be inconvenienced doing so. Hek, are we allowed to just focus a section of the void into the Reapers? Maybe just replicated the electromagnetic wave that caused the Reapers to self destruct in ME3 from the Citadel or do we just allow the Technocyte to achieve Synthesis?

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13 minutes ago, Urlan said:

We already have space zombies, they are called infested here, and would love to reach out and get to know a Techno-organic synthetic life-form cobbled together from the collective biomass of entire civilizations. If Grineer can keep up with 26 million space ninja committing genocide on them with a new batch, I figure that is pretty good on the old endless numbers of husk derivatives. We also have our friendly neighborhood space merchants/machine cult to try to study and reverse engineer any Reaper tech they could get their Space Suited mitts on. The main weapon of the Mass Effect universe and even that main gun are Gauss, Coil, Rail Gun, or even called Mass Driver tech; several weapons made by the Corpus and Orokin seem to use this technology as well (though in game, they are slower than Grineer bullets so we can't have everything); many of these technologies work upon applied magnetic principles and if I have seen anything in Warframe its that with enough annoyances the Grineer and Corpus alone can develop tech to counter energy buildup and displacement. That doesn't even factor in Warframe's own Reaper stand-ins, the Sentient.

Honestly, the problem Warframe's factions would have is preparation time and infrastructure damage, which I am sure if the Reapers knew anything about Warframe's tech versus their own; would attack first similar to the Mass Driver based tech of the Mass Effect Relays, the Tenno Junctions and faction Solar Rails would likely be eliminated to prevent fast travel through the system. A problem with this is that unlike the universe of Mass Effect, Tenno, Corrupted, Grineer with a Balor Fomorian or Grustag 3; and probably even the Corpus since they helped restore the Fomorians - can utilize at least limited point to point teleportation and get Troops into a structure like the Reapers themselves. A void cascade bomb might be sufficient per Reaper, but that would probably grow tired for both sides; not that any of the factions involved would be inconvenienced doing so. Hek, are we allowed to just focus a section of the void into the Reapers? Maybe just replicated the electromagnetic wave that caused the Reapers to self destruct in ME3 from the Citadel or do we just allow the Technocyte to achieve Synthesis?

It doesn't seem like you read my post in full? Or just decided to ignore some points: The Corpus would give in to the Reapers almost immediately based on how they operate and their lore. The Tenno (us, players) are crawling with edgy teens that would get indoctrinated faster than the Corpus even.

The infested? Indoctrinated on the spot (mindless already) to fight *for* the Reapers. Now, imagine how much stronger they'd become after indoctrination considering that they get their powers and strength increased severely (such as an Asari turning into a Banshee).

So no Corpus tech to back it up. Teleportation? Not sure where you're getting this one, but say that it's true: Inside the Reapers is more dangerous than outside. Their influence is maddening. People went INSANE when they were inside a derelict Reaper. They'd probably go mad within seconds on a live one.

The only argument I see as valid as the effects of the void on the Reapers but that's an unknown. Other than that you're severely underestimating what a Reaper can do and putting too much value on ground combat which, once more, it's absolutely pointless.

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