Corial Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 (edited) 28 minutes ago, CaptainStrawberry said: I've heard Excalibur Umbra Prime has a badge, is this correct? True, it is Founder exclusive, and is called Gauvan Prime Sekhara. In the Chinise Build, Excalibur Umbra originated as part of their Founder's pack exclusive, named as Excalibur Umbra Prime. The pack also included the Nikana Prime and the Spira Prime (both of which were introduced in the Global Build with Saryn Prime instead), as well as the Gauvan Prime Sekhara, a shoulder accessory obtainable only through that Founder pack. Citation from wiki. Edited July 23, 2017 by Corial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninjadeath721 Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 4 hours ago, Corial said: isn't the top one the wiki image? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corial Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Just now, Ninjadeath721 said: isn't the top one the wiki image? Found the image by browsing google with; Gauvan Prime Sekhara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornWithTeeth Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 The sacrifice you make to play as Umbra is that you have to pay the troll toll. You have to pay the troll toll to get in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brasten Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Any Meta-Game sacrifice that permanently hinders collecting all-the-things is counter productive to DE. A good example was the Syndicate system. Back when you had to re-pay Prime items and Orokin potatoes to rank up Syndicates that hated you, people were functionally encouraged to create mule accounts despite Warframe's EULA and threat of having both accounts banned. It's why you aren't locked into your Focus school and can farm/RNG your way out of it. It's why permanently sacrificing the ability to use Primes, or permanently losing your Operator are off the table. Having to use an existing Warframe as the construction price for an Umbra would be a possibility. We already use Prime parts for Ducats and initial Syndicate buy-ins. We also use fully built weapons to construct variants. So either using non-prime (most likely) or prime (least likely) parts or fully built frames as the buy-in to an Umbra is on the table. Sacrificing a pre-built non-prime Warframe is not permanent, you can build it again. With the exception of various Quest frames, but we've been asking for DE to make those quests re-playable for roughly 2 years. Replacing our Operator mode for "Umbra" powers, while using an Umbra frame is also a possible "sacrifice". In-story this would play out as us embodying the Warframe fully (as others have suggested) to take greater control over the Infested elements. I find this most likely as it would align with what we've been shown in the past regarding the Infested Arm Cannons. You chose to either use an Arm Cannon (Umbra Mode) or Operator Mode on #5 (on a frame by frame basis). Which could also mean still sacrificing a fully built frame in some way. ===== Back before the Operators were a thing, my theory was that we were like the Golem or Lephantis, a kind of Infested Meta-Mind (or even some kind of Infested parasite creature). But we were limited to the "humans" we turned into Warframes using the components and blueprint templates. My theory that the reason the Warframes were gendered and there were duplicates, was that the Orokin created the first versions out of Zariman Ten-Zero survivors and through that made templates they could use humans with similar physiques and turn them into Warframes. Less body-snatcher, they (and we) cloned Zariman survivors instead of taking new humans. We still don't know what Warframes are at base. From existing Lore, they were a kind of "war golem" project being tested in the Lua research facility. We also know that they had to bring in a "Infestation" expert once the Warframe project itself got fully underway. So it's logical to assume they are a type of Infested. Either using human base stock (natural or cloned), or fully engineered from the ground up. Something Biological, not Technological, to prevent the Sentient from hijacking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arch111 Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Who was first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLegacy92 Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 So have there been any updates on a release date or any news with more information? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rage_Inducer Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 It's been hinted at in one of the devstreams that Umbra may actually be a person. Perhaps Umbra is the name of the man in the wall and we allow it to take hold of a warframe to make it an umbra? Or perhaps it's unrelated and instead the stalker gameplay we saw at tennocon gets recycled into a Dark Souls-esque invasion system in which we sacrifice other tenno for our Umbra which I would actually be OK with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted July 23, 2017 Author Share Posted July 23, 2017 25 minutes ago, TheLegacy92 said: So have there been any updates on a release date or any news with more information? hopefully devstream coming up in another note, my projects in shading now , also planning to update op again ..hopefully today Spoiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiroTheTraveler Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 2 hours ago, (Xbox One)EternalDrk Mako said: hopefully devstream coming up in another note, my projects in shading now , also planning to update op again ..hopefully today Hide contents Oh yh. I hope they can freely talk about Umbra now in the devstreams. Atleast not like before the teaser. I can imagine them wearing black scarves in the dev stream. Btw, it seems like your shading is improving! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)horridhal Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 6 hours ago, (Xbox One)VapidReaper said: Or giving up the ability to use primes is even more crazy. This is a ridiculous belief, yes. 6 hours ago, (Xbox One)VapidReaper said: Sacrificing a frame just to have Umbra is ridiculous This isn't. I'm fully expecting to have to somehow give up an Excalibur to get an Excalibur Umbra. Thus I farmed out parts to build an Excal in case it is needed. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to need to sacrifice a normal variant for an Umbra version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted July 23, 2017 Author Share Posted July 23, 2017 (edited) 36 minutes ago, CaptainStrawberry said: Oh yh. I hope they can freely talk about Umbra now in the devstreams. Atleast not like before the teaser. I can imagine them wearing black scarves in the dev stream. Btw, it seems like your shading is improving! yeah that would be funny , steve in black scarf hopefully this next dev stream they give us some info ..like some basis of umbras concept completed art Edited July 23, 2017 by (XB1)EternalDrk Mako Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Ringed-Umbra- Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 33 minutes ago, (Xbox One)EternalDrk Mako said: yeah that would be funny , steve in black scarf hopefully this next dev stream they give us some info ..like some basis of umbras concept completed art Nice art!, oh dear if we get Umbra cosmetics for operators I'll buy em, never bought operator cosmetic before due to no interest. Any idea when is the next Devstream? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxswatelitexx Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Margolis is secretly Hunhow and Lotus is her daughter. It will be an Epic Cat Fight in version 30 where it will be Margolis Revealed Vrs Lotus the Destroyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daskrieg Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 what if the umbra frmae will be a companion tat we can equip gear on fromour arsenal? it is a wild idea but in any case im betting this idea is probably not the case and debunked before i even thought of it, far as the sacrifice goes it may be that we have to give up something or someone we meet in a quest if they make one for umbra. i have not really been trying to did too much into lore like other people but somehow it may be that we do give up a frame, unless the method has changed didn't we have to use parts from other frames to make chroma? far as sacrifice goes it may be similar to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninjadeath721 Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 4 hours ago, Eminem37 said: Any idea when is the next Devstream? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radu955 Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Does anyone know the reason why we, in the west, don't have Excalibur Umbra yet? It has already been released in China, so what's keeping DE from releasing him here as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aisu9 Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 The Sacrifice quest introduce Excalibur Umbra (go check youtube chanel of warframe) in the Global 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miser_able Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Because rather than just slapping it in for no reason they are actually adding a quest and everything. But it will be out soon™ anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Krism- Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Are you even paying attention to the videos DE is releasing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corial Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Ninjadeath721 said: Knowing that Steve might have eager tongue for The Sacrifice spoilers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firetempest Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 (edited) China has Umbra Prime. Because china had its own Founder program and they couldn't use our normal Excal prime. We get normal Umbra in a story as we cant get Umbra Prime. And DE wanted it to mean something. Edited July 23, 2017 by Firetempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinthAria Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Because DE wants to release it when they have a way to fit it into the context of the game, and not before. That said, they showed a teaser for the Umbra cinematic quest at TennoCon a few weeks ago, so...it's on its way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldnacpeek Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Miser_able said: But it will be out soon™ anyway Yes, 2018, given the PoE release and it being priority. Anyway, yeah, they felt compelled to do "something special" with him, that being part of the cinequest trilogy which just happened to take more than 2 years ( and growing) post leak. 3 hours ago, Firetempest said: China has Umbra Prime. Because china had its own Founder program and they couldn't use our normal Excal prime. We get normal Umbra in a story as we cant get Umbra Prime. If I can say something, every time someone brings this up (which by the way, isn't really what OP is asking), confusion occurs. Literally the only known difference between Excalibur Umbra and "Excalibur Umbra Prime" is the name. Unless his abilities are changed (which then ends up not making him 'Excalibur'), we're receiving the exact same model as seen in the teaser. Edited July 23, 2017 by LazerSkink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukinu_u Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Why do people still complain about not having Excalibur Umbra, even after the Tennocon 2017 annoucement ? The real question is why do people want a fake Excalibur prime with some stats tweak ? Stop being sarcastic and let's answer the your question. First, the chinese Excalibur is "Excalibur Umbra Prime", it's not that different but the one we will have may vary from this one. Maybe some color variation to not be gold (hard to say after the Sacrifice trailer but we dont know) or maybe some power variation if we go far. In fact, what we will have isn't exactly what Warframe China build has. Next, how people already said on this topic, Excalibur Umbra will be introduced with a quest, called "Sacrifice". So, even if Excalibur Umbra is ready, the quest isn't and honestly, it will surely be more intersting that Excalibur Umbra itself since it will talk about lore, mainly about what exactly are warframes. Now, for the exact "when", we dont really know but Plains of Eidolon will be released first and is supposed to come around late August to early September, so we can assume the Sacrifice quest will come at the end of the year or early 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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