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8 minutes ago, Teloch said:

I don't know who wrote (or writing) the lore/plotline, but I suspect that they would be better off writing code and scripts. But in all fairness, WF is no longer a sci-fi or cosmoopera (if it ever was), but a fable set in space decorations. Remember, that WF is the "dream game" of certain people (or even a decision-making person) and that individual(s) might be more interested in telling the story they crave to tell regardless of how ludicrous, banal, and cringy it may really be. Besides, writing isn't WF's main selling point, so... yeah.

I say again, would Dune be a science fiction classic if it were the story of how saintly Paul Atreides saved humanity with his awesome spice messiah foresight powers and everyone lived happily ever after?

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2 minutes ago, BornWithTeeth said:

I say again, would Dune be a science fiction classic if it were the story of how saintly Paul Atreides saved humanity with his awesome spice messiah foresight powers and everyone lived happily ever after?

Doubt it. But WF does not pretend to be a sci-fi, not even speaking about becoming classic of such.

PS: I gave up on WF lore long, long ago.

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34 minutes ago, OoKeNnEtHoO said:

Well, companies always love profits.

Such exclusive deals actually appear in many other games because people tend to like exclusive stuff and are willing to pay more to not be the same as other people which is why cosmetics sell so well.

Sure! But in this case we're not talking only about a few cosmetics (in fact the pack offered didn't include sigils, which didn't even exist at that moment yet still got added later) but about gear with gameplay value such as a character with a secondary passive (which got pointless after DE "blew" the void and started with the relic system), a gun that was buffed to become an amazing weapon, and a sword that got it's public counterpart somewhere in the future; all of these being the main upgrades (prime) of the starter gear and the only upgrade of the poster boy existing during 4 years which will still locked due to a dumb promise despite DE finding a workaround after all of this time (and let's face it, there will always be people complaining for that gear no matter what DE does; it's the currently the biggest scar in the community and it exists solely because if a fool decision taken in a bad moment) 

34 minutes ago, OoKeNnEtHoO said:

However, the term "Founders" usually are taken with a pinch of salt because those companies are usually big game companies which just wanna rake in profits fast during the release and when hype is at the highest (prepurchase items and prepurchase packs are very common these days), unlike in DE's case where they were genuinely going bankrupt.

Most of the time, companies end up breaking the promise and just sell the stuff that were marketed as exclusive for even more money later on because they see a high demand for it.

Sure! And has anyone tried to make a case against them for selling pre-order exclusive content after pre-order period has ended? Have those cases gotten anywhere? I'm sure bug companies have teams of lawyers with the ability to read any legal void possible in order to make whatever they want while leaving no room for lawsuits.

34 minutes ago, OoKeNnEtHoO said:

From what I heard from some players, there are actually people willing to pay USD$1,300 for Founder accounts on the black market.

And sadly that's what exclusive deals achieve, in this case is people spitting on the face of a respectable dev team and the community supporting them by exploiting a dumb promise to get some profit, and that people is part of the same group who initially helped these devs. Why not to remove the room for that black market? Players get access to locked stuff, DE gets money, and founders would most likely be rewarded with something that allows them to show off their status with no need of privating other players from actual gear.

34 minutes ago, OoKeNnEtHoO said:

Thus, if DE really wants to rake in profits, they can easily just make packs with Excalibur Prime that sell for that amount or even do it auction style to make more money.

However, the main issue will probably be pissing off a lot of Founders who would have just bought the disciple pack instead of paying USD$50 to USD$250 and back then, this might have meant the closure of the game.

Why would disciple players pissed? I'd get it from GMs if there was no compensation or if it wasn't big enough for them.

34 minutes ago, OoKeNnEtHoO said:

There is also the issue of reputation loss due to the fact that nobody can ever trust their word on "exclusivity" ever again. Well, maybe some still will but they are probably the ones who will take whatever DE says as ironclad truth anyway.

DE already lost part of my respect after adding the old prime accessories to thd prime vault despite their original faq reading that these are exclusive to prime access program, reason why the prime vault is stated to be an extension of prime access which still sells. You would be surprised of the power of a good PR department when it's backed up by good lawyers. 

34 minutes ago, OoKeNnEtHoO said:

Then, not to mention the breaking of T&Cs which some of the richer Founders may take advantage to ask for compensation.

Compensation for an account that we all (they included) agreed to be entirely owned by DE in order to play the game? That would be laughable, since we can't play if we don't agree to the ToS/EULA.

34 minutes ago, OoKeNnEtHoO said:

This is probably why they rather just go through the trouble of making Excalibur Umbra for Chinaframe and even releasing it with lore and a quest of its own on Global build than just releasing Excalibur Prime outright.

Nah, they are doing it simply to keep their promise (and the trust of their more skeptical followers) since they could do whatever they want with their game, even shut down the servers and disappear with no previous advice and there's nothing any of us could do.

34 minutes ago, OoKeNnEtHoO said:

Actually, the fact that they can even release Excalibur Umbra, Nikana Prime and Spira Prime to us and not have an issue with the Chinaframe Founders goes to show there is definitely a difference in treatment to the 2 different groups of Founders and also the T&Cs.

There were issues, iirc the op (or one of the old threads) had a translation of a chinaframe thread stating that Excalibur Umbra Prime was exclusive to them, reason why DE is giving us Non-Prime Excalibur Umbra instead. Another issue fixed simply by wordplay (like the prime vault thing). 

34 minutes ago, OoKeNnEtHoO said:

This method of selling exclusive stuff (Excalibur Umbra case) after receiving the money is actually the common method most company use, albeit a rather unethical one, but at least DE is not doing it for money since they will not be charging us for it.

That's what I love of DE, their way to keep the game floating solely by players who voluntarily choose to give them money instead of milking their playerbase by locking the best gear exclusively behind paywalls, adding DLC exclusive content, offering timed exclusivity to paying users, or by making us pay even for the smallest things such as the B and C modding and appearance custiomzation slots of our gear.

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On January 9, 2018 at 8:21 AM, BornWithTeeth said:

Here is my opinion:

- seems interesting.

- Umbra looks like a cool ‘frame.

- The teaser suggests that it has to do with either Ballas himself or with the consequences of something he did.

- Let’s wait and see because we know very little else, that’s why it’s a teaser.

- Christ I hope DE don’t go with the profoundly lame and awful idea that the first generation of Warframes were the parents from the Zariman who magically survived through the power of retcon so that the Tenno can be wondrously revealed to be 100% innocent and never did anything wrong ever because they are magically beautiful innocent wholesome saviour space children after all, and Transference is really the power of Love.

 

Sweet Jesus Christ DE NO!

I think DE is foreshadowing the opposite.

The theme of "Space Mom and her island of misfit toys/children doing what needs done to survive in a harsh Tennoverse" is a bubble that is going to be blown up...

Basically we've been living as Ordis...and the reality is that we are ORDAN KARRIS.

Margulis performed an equivalent mind wipe to protect us from ourselves with a "return to innocence".

Ballas, being the Ultimate Pragmatist, is going to casually and brutally reveal to us our true nature, and then it will be our CHOICE to accept/Embrace it, Acknowledge and control it, or reject it and redefine ourselves.

At least that is my hope.

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26 minutes ago, (PS4)Silverback73 said:

I think DE is foreshadowing the opposite.

The theme of "Space Mom and her island of misfit toys/children doing what needs done to survive in a harsh Tennoverse" is a bubble that is going to be blown up...

Basically we've been living as Ordis...and the reality is that we are ORDAN KARRIS.

Margulis performed an equivalent mind wipe to protect us from ourselves with a "return to innocence".

Ballas, being the Ultimate Pragmatist, is going to casually and brutally reveal to us our true nature, and then it will be our CHOICE to accept/Embrace it, Acknowledge and control it, or reject it and redefine ourselves.

At least that is my hope.

As I say every time it comes up, I agree that that would be cool, but I don’t for one instant believe that DE have the storytelling chops to do that and make it work, or the stones to even try and deal with the contradictions of their setting. Someone at DE loves the magical precious innocent space orphan saviour story, and that’s what is locked in.

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3 minutes ago, BornWithTeeth said:

As I say every time it comes up, I agree that that would be cool, but I don’t for one instant believe that DE have the storytelling chops to do that and make it work, or the stones to even try and deal with the contradictions of their setting. Someone at DE loves the magical precious innocent space orphan saviour story, and that’s what is locked in.

DARE TO HOPE.  You are already a pessimist, so your membership to clan Disappointment-Eternus means you cannot be harmed.

Unless you are a closet optimist with a vulnerable, caring heart, you SOFTIE, YOU!  *Pinches cheeks*

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Wouldn't it be interesting if the man in the wall, the other operator, takes over a warframe and you have to fight your own warframe in your own ship? Just saying...  wish it could be

OH one important thing. I really wish it's not a short quest like chains of Harrow. I want a real big story anyway. 

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7 hours ago, Ksaero said:

IMO that's exactly what's going to happen. Unlike Excalibur Prime in global build, Excalibur Umbra Prime in China build is always accessible, but only for real money. So no one is truly restricted from getting it. Chinaframe even sells their founder pack with discounts.

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If I buy founder pack can it be for PS4 or it’s PC only?

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2 minutes ago, (PS4)slayerserenity said:

If I buy founder pack can it be for PS4 or it’s PC only?

PC only.

The console version of Chinaframe has been closed down.

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39 minutes ago, (PS4)slayerserenity said:

If I buy founder pack can it be for PS4 or it’s PC only?

PC Chinaframe only. Global PC players can't buy it either.

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2 hours ago, (PS4)Silverback73 said:

DARE TO HOPE.  You are already a pessimist, so your membership to clan Disappointment-Eternus means you cannot be harmed.

Unless you are a closet optimist with a vulnerable, caring heart, you SOFTIE, YOU!  *Pinches cheeks*

This is called realism. And the thing is, someone in DE is fixed on the horrendous trope @BornWithTeeth repeated like three times on this page (and caused me huge ocular blood loss). This game is about magical space girls kids, it will remain such, and it will eventually shut down while being about those.

 

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31 minutes ago, (Xbox One)EternalDrk Mako said:

only psn to my knowledge, the Xbox One version still is ongoing as is pc 

As far as I know, there's no China version for Xbox One. Wiki also states that.

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3 hours ago, Teloch said:

This is called realism. And the thing is, someone in DE is fixed on the horrendous trope @BornWithTeeth repeated like three times on this page (and caused me huge ocular blood loss). This game is about magical space girls kids, it will remain such, and it will eventually shut down while being about those.

 

Allow me to explain my "hope".

Warframe is at a pivotal cross-roads with our character and needs to go in a definitive direction to avoid thematic confusion.

Look no further than NPC Konzu:

With unabashed affection for your PC (or is he just manipulating our egos?) he pronounces in his best Disney Movie voice:

"Swazdo-Lah, KILLER!"

Because the concept of (and skill needed for) writing a cohesive story around ever-evolving game mechanics with minimal backstory is a relatively new Artform with limitations, I give DE a bit of a pass.

I still VERY MUCH see a commitment to the Storytelling Cycle of Joseph Campbell's monomythic "Hero's Journey".  The storytelling Arc and key supporting characters all line up.

Within this cycle, there comes a point in the Journey where our hero has to grow beyond his/her limitations and face the adversities of reality in a "man vs self" crisis moment.

I use "hero" loosely here because that growth through adversity can also be dark and tragic.

One moment Luke Skywalker was being trained as a magical space-knight-ninja by a wise Master with moral authority to avenge his father's death and destroy the Empire with supreme confidence.

The next moment he finds reality revealing that his Master is a liar and a failure, and that his father is alive and using that same moral authority to commit acts of evil and cut his hand off and recruit him.

I foresee this type of twist as a very real possibility.

The Lotus/Margulis might be our "Obi-One Kenobi"...and Ballas the one to expose the lies...or reveal the truth, depending on your perception.

 

 

 

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On 1/8/2018 at 12:47 PM, (Xbox One)EternalDrk Mako said:

i dunno 

ive had discussions of this type before

the possibility is that Excalibur umbra dosnt come to china frame 

but then it could also as its only a visual copy of the founders, locked behind lots of content points in the game 

as an globals umbra Excalibur =/= Excalibur umbra prime 

as that unit has prime passive and not the umbra mechanic , so in theory it could drop the quest in chinaframe without causing an issue, or possibly another umbra drops there that we get at a later date  

their contracts always state that they could change at any time for essentially any reason. Even the warframe global could potentially release excal prime just because they feel like it. I mean they probably won't but the china frame isn't run by DE to the same extent so it is absolutely not off the table.

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3 hours ago, (PS4)EmilsTekcor said:

their contracts always state that they could change at any time for essentially any reason. Even the warframe global could potentially release excal prime just because they feel like it. I mean they probably won't but the china frame isn't run by DE to the same extent so it is absolutely not off the table.

What you saying is. DE could have a Secret Quest for CN-WarFrame for Excal Prime.  (CN Only)

And while DE has 365Day/Year Sale for Excal U P? The Least DE can do is Polish Excal P and Excal U P. 

Unless 90% of WarFrame Community come back and make Special Request, DE don't have to change Excal P. 

Prob not Happening, Fun to think.

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8 hours ago, (PS4)slayerserenity said:

If I buy founder pack can it be for PS4 or it’s PC only?

ChinaFrame servers were closed on PSN on July 24th, 2017 due to a very low population. The current founders pack in China is only for PC as of now. Xbox is unsupported. And to actually participate in China’s warframe, your ChangYou account must have a Chinese ID and credentials.

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Also - 

Does anyone keep track of what update ChinaFrame is at? I recall last time they were just getting Equinox when the PC global build received the Second Dream. They were pretty far behind but I don’t know where they’re at now. 

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3 minutes ago, (Xbox One)OTF SERENiTY said:

Also - 

Does anyone keep track of what update ChinaFrame is at? I recall last time they were just getting Equinox when the PC global build received the Second Dream. They were pretty far behind but I don’t know where they’re at now. 

Just checked their website and it seems Harrow and Oberon Prime are the latest additions, although Hydroid Prime is available as well.

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Just now, (Xbox One)OTF SERENiTY said:

Also - 

Does anyone keep track of what update ChinaFrame is at? I recall last time they were just getting Equinox when the PC global build received the Second Dream. They were pretty far behind but I don’t know where they’re at now. 

They have Plains of Eidolon, for what it's worth.

Unsure if they've already gotten plague star.

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6 hours ago, DesFrSpace said:

What you saying is. DE could have a Secret Quest for CN-WarFrame for Excal Prime.  (CN Only)

And while DE has 365Day/Year Sale for Excal U P? The Least DE can do is Polish Excal P and Excal U P. 

Unless 90% of WarFrame Community come back and make Special Request, DE don't have to change Excal P. 

Prob not Happening, Fun to think.

yeah it's all hypothetical.

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6 hours ago, (Xbox One)OTF SERENiTY said:

Also - 

Does anyone keep track of what update ChinaFrame is at? I recall last time they were just getting Equinox when the PC global build received the Second Dream. They were pretty far behind but I don’t know where they’re at now. 

If Chinaframe website's main page reflects latest updates, they are on Octavia's Anthem/Oberon Prime with Chains of Harrow announced. Though the announcement date is 08.25.2017 so I guess the website is half-abandoned.

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10 hours ago, Ksaero said:

If Chinaframe website's main page reflects latest updates, they are on Octavia's Anthem/Oberon Prime with Chains of Harrow announced. Though the announcement date is 08.25.2017 so I guess the website is half-abandoned.

kinda sad i do like some of the chinaframe weapon content 

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So, as far as I understand, Apostasy is indeed the prologue of The Sacrifice. Also, The Sacrifice will be released before new open-world map. No details on WHEN though.

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