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Just now, Yung-Azrael said:

Considering the new level of customisation we've had included in warframe just recently, including the ability to craft modular weapons via zaws + amps, and not forgetting the new and improved selection of arcanes + revamp of the arcane system. I think it's safe to say it's highly possible that Umbra Warframes may be something similar in nature.

Also, I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed that Stalker is an Umbra, and he has a selection of abilities originally pertaining to other individual warframe which kinda supports this train of thought.

So I think we'll see Umbra's being modular to some degree whereby we can customise which abilities they can use.

I think that essentially they're going to be far more advanced and "rare" than other warframes including primes, and put an emphasis on customisation pertaining to the individual in question's build preferences. But of course, they'll likely be locked behind some hefty end-game like system of grind so that they don't instantly become the new meta and give people incentive to simply cast aside their "basic" warframes.

 

This would also explain why it's taken so long for any real progress to be made with Umbra warframes. The system is potentially so large and game-changing, and includes many other sub-systems that creating it and testing it would be potentially the most grueling task ever carried out by DE thus far. I mean they'd have to test every single combination of warframes abilities alongside operator abilities, companion abilities, arcanes, and their combined effect on every single enemy type, with every single special sortie-like factor, and they'd also have to test larger combinations of these things within squads of 2-4 players. Not to mention the testing actual system of unlocking these modular customisations.

So "Umbra" warframes could potentially be the most ambitious addition to Warframe we've seen yet.

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You're banned from the game for the end user agreement 2035  "You used the Umbra excalibur"

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2 hours ago, CaptainStrawberry said:

It's fair I suppose. What if stats were decided like a riven mod for Umbra's haha

then we are screw.

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2 hours ago, EndermanBeast said:

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Imo he's just a story character, sort of "Antistalker" the good version of a hypothetical "sentient frame"

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I think Umbra is a desire and it is exciting for people to speculate and look forward to obtaining it, but when they actually get it, they will put some forma on it, fashion frame it up and forget about it. It's fun to want it, it's gonna be boring when you get it.

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9 hours ago, CaptainStrawberry said:

Furthermore, what if... what if... The Operator created The Stalker to kill him. Go to the cutscene of where Hunhow is like "You still hate yourself", the way the Stalker talks is so 3rd person I guess and their is this clear contrast between the Operator and the Stalker while the dialogue is going on. 

The Operator hated himself and these emotions created a transference fracture like Rell... and the Operator gave the Stalker a purpose, a motivation in order to achieve so. But these are suppressed and long forgotten memories or subconsciously sealed away. 

"Forbidden Planet"...I've had the theory for a long time that Stalker is the compartmentalized, subconscious mess that comes from subjecting child super-soldiers to endless war.

Margulis may have filtered the nightmares, but our guilt-driven EGO gave life to the Dread, hate, and despair within us...

The hatred of Warframes?  The tool that perpetuates a painful existence.

That "low guardian" seeing betrayal from afar?

Your Guilty (sub)conscience watching from the sleeping safety of Lua.

His immunity?  You can't use your powers on yourself.

Stalker knows where you are because he IS you.  Deep down, past the "schooling" and "disciplines" and other constructs that have trained you to making the endless killing acceptable is a vestige of morality and humanity that is deserving of justice and punishment, and at the very least, the destruction of those tools (Warframes) that might grant a release from the tools of bloodletting and a chance at redemption. 

Stalker doesn't comprehend who or WHAT he is, because, like the doctor at the end of the movie "Forbidden Planet" it means the full realization of who you are, Tenno, and what you have done.  You aren't trying to kill yourself (Hence the Second Dream hesitation), but punish yourself and destroy your Warframes.

 

It's a lot better/cooler story of "man vs self" than some angry, lone Dax soldier...

 

 

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5 hours ago, Yung-Azrael said:

Also, I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed that Stalker is an Umbra, and he has a selection of abilities originally pertaining to other individual warframe which kinda supports this train of thought.

This has never been confirmed or even remotely implied... Stalker is just a pissed off Low Guardian who got ahold of some Warframe armor.  

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1 hour ago, Berdfess said:

I think Umbra is a desire and it is exciting for people to speculate and look forward to obtaining it, but when they actually get it, they will put some forma on it, fashion frame it up and forget about it. It's fun to want it, it's gonna be boring when you get it.

I mean, if his abilities are even a bit different from standard Excal I'll be pleasantly tickled, but anyone who doesn't already like standard Excal and is excited for his umbra will most likely be setting themselves up for disappointment.

But for me, between Dexcalibur coming with the anniversary, and umbra at some point in the horizon, I'm all set :P

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i hope its somethin that devides community like in a huge way for example you can be only prime or umbra dark vs light or he is just an operator that would be boring .

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49 minutes ago, (PS4)lagrue said:

This has never been confirmed or even remotely implied... Stalker is just a pissed off Low Guardian who got ahold of some Warframe armor.  

Have you even played TSD / TWW m8?

Stalker is a Tenno / Warframe symbiosis just like us but with a difference, he's unaware of his true nature, possibly due to a prolonged transference or something of a similar nature but different e.g. his original consciousness becoming trapped inside the conduit within the "stalker" warframe. Warframe isn't an armour, it's a semi-sentient, cybernetic organism connected to the very human operator via a somatic link. And lore has already confirmed that operator consciousness can become "trapped" or at least fully immersed inside warframes, which is what Stalker seems to be. And there's generally just a hell of a lot of evidence to suggest this.

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1 hour ago, (PS4)Silverback73 said:

"Forbidden Planet"...I've had the theory for a long time that Stalker is the compartmentalized, subconscious mess that comes from subjecting child super-soldiers to endless war.

Margulis may have filtered the nightmares, but our guilt-driven EGO gave life to the Dread, hate, and despair within us...

The hatred of Warframes?  The tool that perpetuates a painful existence.

That "low guardian" seeing betrayal from afar?

Your Guilty (sub)conscience watching from the sleeping safety of Lua.

His immunity?  You can't use your powers on yourself.

Stalker knows where you are because he IS you.  Deep down, past the "schooling" and "disciplines" and other constructs that have trained you to making the endless killing acceptable is a vestige of morality and humanity that is deserving of justice and punishment, and at the very least, the destruction of those tools (Warframes) that might grant a release from the tools of bloodletting and a chance at redemption. 

Stalker doesn't comprehend who or WHAT he is, because, like the doctor at the end of the movie "Forbidden Planet" it means the full realization of who you are, Tenno, and what you have done.  You aren't trying to kill yourself (Hence the Second Dream hesitation), but punish yourself and destroy your Warframes.

 

It's a lot better/cooler story of "man vs self" than some angry, lone Dax soldier...

 

 

Well he knows your email somehow (whenever you kill a boss) so that's one point of evidence haha. 

 

(PS4)Silverback73 that also makes perfect sense on how there will be other Umbra Warframes! The trauma from the other Tenno from their past is what will have an "Umbra" series in the future!

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And what if... Maybe the Sacrifice had already been made but the sacrifice or the big choice (that DE will probably give)is do you accept yourself? Kill the former self and become the new self. Accept Stalker. (This kind of also ties in with the upcoming Stalker system playmode) 

The unique mechanic on obtaining other Umbra Warframes is probably accepting yourself or accepting the "dark side" via boss fight for example. 

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And here is another round about!!! 

The Operator and the Tenno where a war child. They had no guide or comfort, no one to comfort them and they had no one to console to emotionally (Margulis was dead). 

They could have experienced trauma at any time, create transference fracture at any time. 

So... what if the Shadow of the Operator was created (I.E The Shadow that is the Stalker) and out of rage and hatred the Operator rejected the Stalker (rejected this abomination) which fuelled him with despair, hate and dread. But the Orokin, they saw an opportunity, they gave the Stalker purpose and made this "shadow" a low guardian. 

The wipe out of the Orokin drove the Stalker in utter despair and hatred.  Which creates the broken shadow, the black smoke we see the Stalker have.

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9 hours ago, FunJester said:

Do you think that the umbra  warframe require a regular/prime warframe as a component to build it?

excalibur + umbra bp = excalibur umbra

I think this is very likely.

It will help take away an otherwise unused frame and make it seem useful as part of the crafting process.

However, I think this is extremely unlikely to happen:

9 hours ago, FunJester said:

excalibur prime + umbra bp = excalibur prime umbra

From this whole Umbra fiasco, DE already knows that if they even try to do that, the community will strong-arm them into releasing another series or frame so that everyone can pseudo-have it.

Also, the agreement with ChangYou is that they will can't ever release Excalibur Umbra Prime to us, so I doubt they can just loophole this with just a change in sequence of the naming convention.

They won't likely put themselves in the same situation twice.

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1 hour ago, Yung-Azrael said:

Have you even played TSD / TWW m8?

Stalker is a Tenno / Warframe symbiosis just like us but with a difference, he's unaware of his true nature, possibly due to a prolonged transference or something of a similar nature but different e.g. his original consciousness becoming trapped inside the conduit within the "stalker" warframe. Warframe isn't an armour, it's a semi-sentient, cybernetic organism connected to the very human operator via a somatic link. And lore has already confirmed that operator consciousness can become "trapped" or at least fully immersed inside warframes, which is what Stalker seems to be. And there's generally just a hell of a lot of evidence to suggest this.

 

Yet, never has it been stated what an 'Umbra' is outside of early, scrapped script. That was their point, saying something like "confirmed Stalker is an Umbra" has 0 basis.

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The whole Stalker is an Umbra comes from some early concepts off his new appearance remake. He used to have the metallic crescent moon blades in his arm, just like Excalibur Umbra does.

They ended up removing them though, so yah.

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14 minutes ago, NightmareT12 said:

The whole Stalker is an Umbra comes from some early concepts off his new appearance remake. He used to have the metallic crescent moon blades in his arm, just like Excalibur Umbra does.

They ended up removing them though, so yah.

 

The model is the only thing though, there's nothing else. We don't know what an Umbra is, so saying he's an Umbra is unsupported speculation.

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3 hours ago, OoKeNnEtHoO said:

I think this is very likely.

It will help take away an otherwise unused frame and make it seem useful as part of the crafting process.

However, I think this is extremely unlikely to happen:

From this whole Umbra fiasco, DE already knows that if they even try to do that, the community will strong-arm them into releasing another series or frame so that everyone can pseudo-have it.

Also, the agreement with ChangYou is that they will can't ever release Excalibur Umbra Prime to us, so I doubt they can just loophole this with just a change in sequence of the naming convention.

They won't likely put themselves in the same situation twice.

Excaliber Umbra will be the sacrifice reward to circumvent Excal Prime exclusivity.

I've said from the beginning that all Prime parts or a built Prime plus an "Umbra Conversion" component would instantly reinvigorate the prime market.

Corresponding "Umbra Conversion" components would release as mini-quests in-game with the sale of  Unvaulted packs with the Prime variant.

In this way, DE's business model of farming it all is still relevant, but Unvaulted packs are ALSO more appealing as a purchase.

 

 

 

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Now before you get the torches and pitchforks let me explain.

If you somehow have managed to miss the news that we will get Excalibur umbra (at some point in this year hopefully) then this topic might not concern you as much.

Anyhow what DE has said about Excal umbra are these things

1- Umbras will have their own skill sets.

2- There will be more umbras in the future.

3- Umbras will be available for all players and aren't timed like prime frames.

4- Excalibur umbra wont just be a better version of Excalibur prime so founders wont get screwed over.

You can look these up from the various dew streams if you want to..

 

So now i would like to point out that, DE is in a VERY VERY difficult spot right now, It all really comes down to Excal umbras kit, since he will have different abilities, what are those abilities going to be ?

Excalibur has really strong abilities already with his blind and ultimate, and the ability to move quickly trough maps as well with slash dash if you build him correctly, so what will Excal umbra have, if his abilities are worse people will just use Excalibur, and if they are better and umbra better stats, then people wont use regular Excalibur at all.

So like i said DE is in a very tight spot since they need to make excal umbra in such a way that it meets these criteria's.

1- it cant be ''better'' than excalibur prime.

2- It has to have different abilities from excalibur.

3- It cant be worse than regular excalibur.

 

So am i the only one who thinks that what DE has said about umbras kinda contradicts with one another and we might face the fact that we either get a worse version of excal, or better and either way people are going to be unhappy, or if some miracle they can pull it off (might explain why its been like 2 years when we first heard of him)

So yes i am patiently waiting for excal umbra and the sacrifice quest, like everyone else, but i think it might be best that people are prepared for one of the 3 outcomes, with 45%/45%/10% odds.

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3 hours ago, Flustershy said:

1- Umbras will have their own skill sets.

 

They never once said that.

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