Crab Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Well i hope for starters that we get Umbras for the starting trio, might work as a new game plus of sorts, Umbra Excal, Volt and Mag, maybe Loki Umbra as well for a full squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, Caim31 said: Well i hope for starters that we get Umbras for the starting trio, might work as a new game plus of sorts, Umbra Excal, Volt and Mag, maybe Loki Umbra as well for a full squad. i agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blakrana Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 On 2018-12-12 at 9:10 PM, (XB1)EternalDrk Mako said: it makes me wonder if edilons can take over a warframe why cant sentient ? In as much as regular Warframes and Sentient, I suspect it's due to their biological aspect rather than strictly technological. Infested basis, thus out of their "ball park" in theory. Then you've got Revenant, which from what I recall of the quest dialog, put itself in reach of some kind of tendril the Eidolon uses to construct itself which went...badly. Personally, I wonder if the way Gara killed the original Sentient the Eidolon are mere fragments of, involved a notable amount of Void energy. If so, could Eidolons in some form be a cross between a Void Echo, and actual physical materials? Alternatively, if not necessarily Void based, could it be Transference usurped; Transference being about the relaying of a mind to an available body, then the "will/spirit" of the Eidolon itself could have become too much for the system to manage, corrupting what we now know as "Revenant"? If there is more Void at play than not, could Eidolons be similar to the Lua ghosts? From there, perhaps simply having the ready availability of Sentient remains allows the Eidolon to manifest, whilst these ghosts seem to be devoid of anything they could use in that fashion. Certainly wondering if it's a weird play on "Ghost in the Machine", at least. Sorry for going on, any event. Best speculation I have on matters at present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 40 minutes ago, Blakrana said: In as much as regular Warframes and Sentient, I suspect it's due to their biological aspect rather than strictly technological. Infested basis, thus out of their "ball park" in theory. Then you've got Revenant, which from what I recall of the quest dialog, put itself in reach of some kind of tendril the Eidolon uses to construct itself which went...badly. Personally, I wonder if the way Gara killed the original Sentient the Eidolon are mere fragments of, involved a notable amount of Void energy. If so, could Eidolons in some form be a cross between a Void Echo, and actual physical materials? Alternatively, if not necessarily Void based, could it be Transference usurped; Transference being about the relaying of a mind to an available body, then the "will/spirit" of the Eidolon itself could have become too much for the system to manage, corrupting what we now know as "Revenant"? If there is more Void at play than not, could Eidolons be similar to the Lua ghosts? From there, perhaps simply having the ready availability of Sentient remains allows the Eidolon to manifest, whilst these ghosts seem to be devoid of anything they could use in that fashion. Certainly wondering if it's a weird play on "Ghost in the Machine", at least. Sorry for going on, any event. Best speculation I have on matters at present. i rather enjoyed the read, is a fine concept of how this is rationalized from what i understand sentient (slain by unum tower) died on POE , but as sentient seem to be a replicator nano tech being its nano cells that were living seemed to have been reset and started recustucting new bodies like vomvalysts and the larger mass on reconstruction is the edilon the edilon by itself seems to have re terra-formed poe waters and areas as the sentient by design were teraformer drones basically, i say re terraformed as we know the infestation once plagued earth but poe looks surprisingly restored but if i have to guess the timeline and whats goign on unum tower slays sentient, residuals make edilons due to being void damaged severely the pieces are reset in many respects , gara slays the sentient, and unum tarps it in a prison , revenant (probably same operator as gara) stands guard over it this prison seems to almost be like the rift limbo uses, another dimension along side ours as for the sentient tendrils i believe this is due to how they gather minerals /materials to build reconstruct themselves and duplicate from fragments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 so as an update of sorts weve been hearing talks of new kinds of forma, specifically the ones form umbral might be on the way thoughts on this ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loza03 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, (XB1)EternalDrk Mako said: so as an update of sorts weve been hearing talks of new kinds of forma, specifically the ones form umbral might be on the way thoughts on this ? Slightly disappointed that the risk/reward system of the Umbral mods is going away. However, we don't know the context of acquiring these Forma. For one, more Umbral mods might be on their way, and people will have no space to add them. And also, an item that lets you effectively hypercharge a Warframe would be a great reward for a raid-like activity. Not necessarily a raid per se, but that kind of activity - content that's on another level to the rest of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 On 2019-01-02 at 4:50 PM, Loza03 said: Slightly disappointed that the risk/reward system of the Umbral mods is going away. However, we don't know the context of acquiring these Forma. For one, more Umbral mods might be on their way, and people will have no space to add them. And also, an item that lets you effectively hypercharge a Warframe would be a great reward for a raid-like activity. Not necessarily a raid per se, but that kind of activity - content that's on another level to the rest of the game. im hoping they are locked behind some sort of task to obtain and not just purchasable , like must due lua missions for a chance to receive or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticEdge Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 story of the leakage about umbra forma and omega forma might come out for the game, but I have feeling once you use umbra forma on your warframes it is going kill your joy that your warframe will not be umbra cool looking style, but just going be like a specture frame likeness and we can't do anything about the story because originally the warframe is not pose to move on their own while *spoil alert* Spoiler while you did the tenno revealed who they are the warframe that had struggled pulling the sword out to break the connection of hunhow which basically it wasn't your operator operating the warframe which the character of our tenno has their own mind and they think fighting the struggle of the stalker, but the warframe move on it self naturally breaking the sword. It is possible awaking warframe by using umbra forma will able bring warframe to life, so its better to I guess have more then one warframe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Kavriel Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) On 2019-01-07 at 12:24 PM, ChaoticEdge said: story of the leakage about umbra forma and omega forma might come out for the game, but I have feeling once you use umbra forma on your warframes it is going kill your joy that your warframe will not be umbra cool looking style, but just going be like a specture frame likeness and we can't do anything about the story because originally the warframe is not pose to move on their own while *spoil alert* Hide contents while you did the tenno revealed who they are the warframe that had struggled pulling the sword out to break the connection of hunhow which basically it wasn't your operator operating the warframe which the character of our tenno has their own mind and they think fighting the struggle of the stalker, but the warframe move on it self naturally breaking the sword. It is possible awaking warframe by using umbra forma will able bring warframe to life, so its better to I guess have more then one warframe? What if the big plot twist of The New War is that Stalker and his acolytes are all sentient warframes united by Hunhow to destroy the Tenno and thus the last relic of the Orokin empire and finally free the system from their influence, but Lotus has kept the system in chaos because of her attachment to the Tenno through Margulis? Also, having Raids return as breaking into Vetruvian archives for Umbral Formas to awaken your frames and secure their loyalty to you before Hunhow could sway them would be a fulfilling alternative to individual Umbra quests and remodels, especially if each player has to fight their own Warframe in operator mode to complete it as a nod to the first Umbra. Maybe a clever 'universal' memory sequence? I'd grind it 😛 Edited January 10, 2019 by (XB1)Kavriel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticEdge Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, (XB1)Kavriel said: Spoiler What if the big plot twist of The New War is that Stalker and his acolytes are all sentient warframes united by Hunhow to destroy the Tenno and thus the last relic of the Orokin empire and finally free the system from their influence, but Lotus has kept the system in chaos because of her attachment to the Tenno through Margulis? Also, having Raids return as breaking into Vetruvian archives for Umbral Formas to awaken your frames and secure their loyalty to you before Hunhow could sway them would be a fulfilling alternative to individual Umbra quests and remodels, especially if each player has to fight their own Warframe in operator mode to complete it. it could be a spoiler, but yea agree the term could be... Spoiler As we know umbra forma is type of system still unknown, but ballas is the only one who know about umbra system, if possible if we able get a data and having the possible of many more to come, these warframe might get deploy sort of replacement of the drone...good gosh I just came with terrible idea, but sound good in some what way but still find it backfiring, sending warframe to protect the drone should of increase the chance survival or have it auto pick up and farming power...yea...its all over again metal gear soild peace walker's mini-game when you send in soldiers or vehicles into battle you get stuff...*slow facepalm* what da heck I turn this into...Anyway back to the main topic As we know umbra forma is a material and it is possible highly that umbra may give memories to the warframe but either the warframe liked the tenno or go crazy like excal umbra, but I don't think all the warframe is against the tenno even thou some these warframe may not contain memories, but they know the tenno can eased their pain like ballas said. Keeping it to lore, it is highly players will put umbra forma into all the prime...now imagine how many time we have to farm thous prime now? So if you kept 2 prime warframe good job, but if you have 1 prime warframe, your going say "F####!!!!!-" that could of screw up your build on your prime, its best to tested it out on your non-prime warframe I guess, its a good thing I still have spare prime ash around LOL. As today, talk about omega forma which its interesting, the possible the omega forma might able use umbra if the forma is able use the symbol, but if not well we know it be full rank and has the piece right in place, as I place my bet this is going cost lots plat to have omega forma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 58 minutes ago, ChaoticEdge said: it could be a spoiler, but yea agree the term could be... Reveal hidden contents As we know umbra forma is type of system still unknown, but ballas is the only one who know about umbra system, if possible if we able get a data and having the possible of many more to come, these warframe might get deploy sort of replacement of the drone...good gosh I just came with terrible idea, but sound good in some what way but still find it backfiring, sending warframe to protect the drone should of increase the chance survival or have it auto pick up and farming power...yea...its all over again metal gear soild peace walker's mini-game when you send in soldiers or vehicles into battle you get stuff...*slow facepalm* what da heck I turn this into...Anyway back to the main topic As we know umbra forma is a material and it is possible highly that umbra may give memories to the warframe but either the warframe liked the tenno or go crazy like excal umbra, but I don't think all the warframe is against the tenno even thou some these warframe may not contain memories, but they know the tenno can eased their pain like ballas said. Keeping it to lore, it is highly players will put umbra forma into all the prime...now imagine how many time we have to farm thous prime now? So if you kept 2 prime warframe good job, but if you have 1 prime warframe, your going say "F####!!!!!-" that could of screw up your build on your prime, its best to tested it out on your non-prime warframe I guess, its a good thing I still have spare prime ash around LOL. As today, talk about omega forma which its interesting, the possible the omega forma might able use umbra if the forma is able use the symbol, but if not well we know it be full rank and has the piece right in place, as I place my bet this is going cost lots plat to have omega forma. whole thread is a spoiler , literally its even tagged by mods xD, just saying but i appreciate you for doing it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Skullstachio Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 I did have this Idea for "Nidus Umbra." the main reason for it is, as I learned that Excalibur Umbra, in the words of Ballas: But you won't have to imagine. A lovingly cultured Infestation swarms within your blood. Your transformation has begun, reshaping you into a sacred surrogate of the unholy Tenno... A Warframe with but a Single. Burning. Memory. It is... a miracle! But all miracles require sacrifice. With that, It lead me to Believe that For Nidus to be an Umbral frame would not only make sense, but it could be lore friendly with an infested twist.(seeing as how the helminth virus "Wishes to Serve" it could be fitting to have such a necessary evil fight the sentients.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticEdge Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, (XB1)EternalDrk Mako said: whole thread is a spoiler , literally its even tagged by mods xD, just saying but i appreciate you for doing it yea that is true, anyway thinking about it possible DE will use umbra forma because we might find more of ballas's research if we ever come across it again I mean ballas had lots of time and lots moves to settled research of umbra, a perfect creation item or secretly he hasn't use his grand toy (not really lotus because of many reason) probably umbreo cecinerit (making unquie words for umbreo as in umbra, but cecinerit is meaning is here https://www.google.com/search?ei=-FE4XOTLNcrEswX_pqOADw&q=perfection+words+translate+to+latin&oq=perfection+words+translate+to+latin&gs_l=psy-ab.3..33i22i29i30.2935.10687..10927...5.0..0.114.1352.7j7......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j35i39.s2iJreGTsDE) it be crazy if ballas's had some unique warframe that he kept in the basement even greater dark secret then all of prime type of frames(more unquie then umbra). It would be bazaar for type machine capable of wiping out whole planet and this little warframe is like a death star accept for compact size or either end up being a special orokin boss that change sentient become orokin. I ask myself how did ballas is able struck a deal with the sentient with all this in the first place? I know it started with her and had her becoming Lotus, some odd reason he didn't see it happen because he maybe too easy fool and into his own looks, but he isn't an idiot unless he has an ace for under his sleeved (if he had one lol), maybe a trade of this unique material like kuva for a trade to strike a bond or package of that equal of terms for betrayals to able over throw the jade light. Its puzzle me why do he think that should eliminate only the orokin when you can eliminate both the same time, he could of lead the head of the sentient to its death and have the children to die with them into the void. Ballas could of sent the whole ship of kids, set the ship self-destructed with the head sentient and they both die in the white void and kept lotus to himself. Yet it feel like he is struggling (ha I shouldn't say that for in his case issue), maybe he struggling what is what to be meaning perfect. Of course doing for the meme and how ballas love his old look he feel this way version. Spoiler until he got rechange and saw himself Spoiler geez I made it sound like ballas is so emo...maybe he is like the stalker Edited January 11, 2019 by ChaoticEdge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted January 11, 2019 Author Share Posted January 11, 2019 @ChaoticEdge seems to have been inspired by your concept @(XB1)Skullstachio and has asked i restart my umbra concept art tradition (were i take requests and make an umbra variants design) so if you have feedback to Nidus umbras design and appearance ill try my hand at it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)drollive96 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 On 2018-12-09 at 8:48 PM, (XB1)Kavriel said: I don't know what you're smoking, but I only use Operator for Eidolons, so frame choice is irrelevent. This is true, but post Sacrifice at least one devstream mentioned Umbras and I believe it was Rebecca that said (while distracted) that all frames would get an umbra, but take that with a grain of salt. Really, as much as I would like a story quest for each Umbra, considering how long it takes to get a new story quest AND the fact that any frame that doesn't get an Umbra becomes invalidated by the meta, the best choice seems to be one elaborate story quest, or perhaps a replayable, raid-like challenge area that grants you the ability to 'Umbra' a frame that you already have maxed, probably the one you complete the challenge with. Story-wise you would be awakening your frame to allow its revenge, while on the technical side your frame is given special umbra cosmetics, the passive is replaced, and Umbra polarities added, saving a rediculous amount of dev time while still giving everyone what they want. This way, every frame could have an Umbra, but it we avoid plotholes and powercreep as well as reward maxing a frame rather than ignoring and replacing it. Maybe we could pick one of our favorite frames to " awaken " ,that would be cool , however it should either be insanely hard to do or have a limited number of frames that can be "Awakened". This would be very rewarding for players who "main" a warframe as it would give that players warframe special abilities that can be exclusive to their favorite playstyle. Maybe focus 3.0 could be just that, similar to how the sacrifice was all about connecting to a warframe and working as a team, we could pick one frame, awaken it, then gradually unlock new abilities when using that specific frame. That Would be cool, seeing my umbral (Insert warframe) fighting alongside me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticEdge Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 4 hours ago, (XB1)EternalDrk Mako said: @ChaoticEdge seems to have been inspired by your concept @(XB1)Skullstachio and has asked i restart my umbra concept art tradition (were i take requests and make an umbra variants design) so if you have feedback to Nidus umbras design and appearance ill try my hand at it probably a skin, but as we know the umbra forma maybe not do exact same as umbra excal to able walk by itself, it is 50/50 right there because it is possible that umbra system is very unique sentient killer. Then again possible the DE will pull wool out our eye and revealed its a skin umbra for all the warframe...welp one way or the other DE somehow able kill the dream of ppl having. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenophil Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Only one Umbra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticEdge Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, Xenophil said: Only one Umbra. the problem is we do not know how many umbra that ballas did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loza03 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, ChaoticEdge said: the problem is we do not know how many umbra that ballas did. Or in fact, the actual qualifiers for becoming an Umbra. It sounds like Ballas did it by accident, so does that make trauma the qualifier? You could say that Valkyr didn't become Umbral, but as far as we know the only Valkyr used died on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticEdge Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, Loza03 said: Or in fact, the actual qualifiers for becoming an Umbra. It sounds like Ballas did it by accident, so does that make trauma the qualifier? You could say that Valkyr didn't become Umbral, but as far as we know the only Valkyr used died on the table. even thou his accident making umbra, it doesn't mean use it as save up back up plans, there is reason why hide your greatest idea among the world, think about it if ballas has all the time in the world he would of made progress of his unique project and not had anyone know about this, ask yourself he did his project on umbra excal and slowly it was devouring him whole losing his will to able put his rage on ballas for his life and was force to kill his own son one the dax guards. Given time he destory umbra excal, it doesn't seem he didn't really need umbra excal because he is just a tool not needed anymore, even thou his project must of provide some secrets that he hid that why there is a leak about umbra forma and omega forma of possible could be created by ballas. The unknown power could been hidden even more ballas must of made lots unknown varieties play things or testing things out without supervision of any orokin people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted January 12, 2019 Author Share Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) will point out that umbra we know (aka umbra excal via the dax) was classified as subject #9 via the translations so we already know there were in prior at least 8 other attempts we also know that umbra strain si seperate from the helmith aka (helmith = prime/vanillas) (umbral= umbra) there are at this time two distinct strains , with umbras allowing a memory to create his personal sentience, not to mention his ability to nullify sentient adaption and being geared towards being a sentient slayer was the goal of this strain specifically (further umbras may be new or old, no order is yet given and that the umbras can be created by infecting people via umbra himself via helmith and injecting into new people is a possibility) that said, we also know per dev stream we know umbra excal is the 1st of the new line and more are to come regardless of this more umbras will be required to combat the new sentient threat via Edited January 12, 2019 by (XB1)EternalDrk Mako Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticEdge Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, (XB1)EternalDrk Mako said: *snip* huh, still umbra will be coming out one way or the other about the umbra forma because ppl wanted umbra and possible wanted umbra skins. Its like digging gold and you got two piece of gold of unique additional gems stone along with it and one is prime a diamond and umbra beautiful of its yellow diamond which there is more possible of feeling of polishing it full status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Skullstachio Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Or in a sense, as the Helminth quoted: I wish to serve, yet I am weak. Time heals the mind. It would actually make some sense if we, The Tenno, found a way to evolve the Helminth virus, to strengthen it and be able to “Lovingly Cultivate” it with an existing mature cyst to be able to give said Warframe the gift of sentience amongst other unique perks like Excalibur umbra (minus the orokin look replacing it with a more “infested” look to it.) 9 hours ago, (XB1)EternalDrk Mako said: @ChaoticEdge seems to have been inspired by your concept @(XB1)Skullstachio and has asked i restart my umbra concept art tradition (were i take requests and make an umbra variants design) so if you have feedback to Nidus umbras design and appearance ill try my hand at it I kinda figured there would be a type of “Patient Zero” kind of look (something along the lines of a half a human skull being visible underneath as well as some parts of the body showing some “skeletal visibility” to give ‘em a form of that “wear and tear” look from when it was first infected. When building mutation, the areas of skeletal visibility get filled in by the mutagenetic tissue that is the Helminth, which completes the infested look.) because the infestation has to start somewhere. As it was said on the main page for the Helminth virus on the wiki: It is revealed during The Sacrifice by Executor Ballas that the Helminth was created by the Orokin to convert human subjects into Infested-hybrids, giving birth to Warframes. According to Ballas' Vitruvian, when a subject is exposed to a Helminth strain, it transforms their skin into sword-steel, as well as interlinking their internal organs into untold resilience, while at the same time preventing the same infestation from destroying their mind. In that instance, and in accordance to the details here. The Origin of Nidus Umbra could start with a somewhat direct tie to the so called “Great Plague” like the subtle clue in the “Mire” sword, giving the backstory to Nidus Umbra something interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted January 12, 2019 Author Share Posted January 12, 2019 14 hours ago, (XB1)Skullstachio said: Or in a sense, as the Helminth quoted: I wish to serve, yet I am weak. Time heals the mind. It would actually make some sense if we, The Tenno, found a way to evolve the Helminth virus, to strengthen it and be able to “Lovingly Cultivate” it with an existing mature cyst to be able to give said Warframe the gift of sentience amongst other unique perks like Excalibur umbra (minus the orokin look replacing it with a more “infested” look to it.) I kinda figured there would be a type of “Patient Zero” kind of look (something along the lines of a half a human skull being visible underneath as well as some parts of the body showing some “skeletal visibility” to give ‘em a form of that “wear and tear” look from when it was first infected. When building mutation, the areas of skeletal visibility get filled in by the mutagenetic tissue that is the Helminth, which completes the infested look.) because the infestation has to start somewhere. As it was said on the main page for the Helminth virus on the wiki: It is revealed during The Sacrifice by Executor Ballas that the Helminth was created by the Orokin to convert human subjects into Infested-hybrids, giving birth to Warframes. According to Ballas' Vitruvian, when a subject is exposed to a Helminth strain, it transforms their skin into sword-steel, as well as interlinking their internal organs into untold resilience, while at the same time preventing the same infestation from destroying their mind. In that instance, and in accordance to the details here. The Origin of Nidus Umbra could start with a somewhat direct tie to the so called “Great Plague” like the subtle clue in the “Mire” sword, giving the backstory to Nidus Umbra something interesting. the great plague per timeline was before warframes , this was in the time per vitruvan we know orokin were experimenting with the infested virus and created the "gardens" from which they derived weapons like more, and the warframes themselves. this was the source of the helmith a hybrid they created that was able to create people into warframes , infested without the madness from this we know warframes came after the incedent , from the understanding of nidus as the helmith master, he is able to control infested units to his will to a degree, meaning he was probably created as an attempt to place infested forced/hive under his command and use them as an additional force for the orokin in their war with the sentient though given that we as nidus cannot do this ourselves other then control helmith it makes me this was not successful. given all this is after the great plague it stands to reason umbras as a new strain which was done using the dax soldier and in his fluid bags , we can assume umbra himself hold the active " sentient slayer virus" for lack of a better name the slayers virus allows for umbral polarities , a innate polarity specific to this unit class, as well as a special power to negate sentient debuff stats (an altered power in case of the excalibur u howl) prime/vanilla = helmith strain umbra = sentient slayer strain we already know there is difference between prime and umbras not just passively but in combat and range of usable mods so its more likely umbra nidus if created was after umbra as per lore excaliburs are the 1st of the warframe lines as i see it lore wise nidus umbra himself could be a later attempt at trying to not only refine the sentient slayer virus but to then once again try to regain control of the infested hordes under one command if that makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemyerelis Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 I recall nothing in the current lore that stated umbra was infected by a different strain than any other warframe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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