New Keys 1-3% Drop = Pay Wall For New Prime Gear

[Luxangel7]

I understand that DE needs to make money.

 

But I feel that in this case, the desire to drive key pack sales has possibly taken too much of a front line position.

 

In my mind the percentage for dropping "new" keys (capture, defense, mobile defense) should be higher than 1-3%.

 

I'm not asking for new T3 keys at every wave 5 reward or anything, but I have yet to see a single level 1 or 2 new key drop from defense missions and I have gotten a couple of t3 keys after a lot of defense missions.

 

My issue is that the "old" keys that drop things like frost prime parts or latron prime parts still have really high % to drop while these "new" keys have a ridiculously low % to be a reward.

 

I remember that the exact same thing happened when DE first introduced orokin void keys, and then after a while the "mistake" of making keys so impossible to obtain was rectified.

 

I'm not trying to be like those people that yell "WF is pay 2 win! bla bla bla!". However, I do find it really frustrating to be experiencing deja vu with such low key drop rates again. Especially because I'm absolutely dying to get my hands on a Braton Prime....

 

Please DE, take a look at the drop rates and make them at least decent. 

 

It's not my intention to offend, and I appreciate all the great work the devs do. (hell a thank you to the com mods as well as I think they deserve it too :D)

[DetergentPod]

If drop rate weren't this low you run out of stuff to do in this game. It's because that it's 1-3% you would take your time and farm for them. Then farm for the Prime gears that you want. If it was 10% majority of the people would have all the new prime weapons within a week.

[B0AR]

I'm betting they will increase the drop rate brotha/sista.  Just give it time.  They increased the drop rate of the old ones too so its just a matter of time.

[Notso]

The only Keys which have a lower drop rate are the Tier 1 keys, and the Tier 2 keys in L3 defense, seems okay to me.

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Au6mBXle3cFtdHBYUzVJaDJfdkIzSEN1cUh5UlRvckE#gid=14

Edited July 19, 2013 by Notso

[D3thpool]

Deja-vu anyone?

Again stuff like this?

 

DE doesnt fail to deliver atleast on this front.

[Guest]

Personally, more than increase the chance of them dropping on Defense mission, they should give us other ways of getting them. Defense missions are a massive bore for me. Even if the chance was still 1-3% but you could randomly get them in other missions, it would be fine for me, since I could get them by playing the game normally. As it stands, I don't give a flying **** about the new Orokin levels, missions and Primes because I will not endure Endless Defense missions for them.

[Archistopheles]

Deja-vu anyone?

 

We as players are the ones who should be to blame. If we didn't buy keys like games during a steam sale, they wouldn't have done it to us a second time.

 

Supply/demand.

[KIREEK]

Like the previous keys they will most likely change the drop rates of the new keys.

 

You see, ppl are hyped about the new stuff, meaning they are willing to drop cash to actually obtain the new keys, the Developers take that as an oportunity, once the hype is gone, they will address the issue and make those keys more common.

 

Just be patient.

[D3thpool]

Like the previous keys they will most likely change the drop rates of the new keys.

 

You see, ppl are hyped about the new stuff, meaning they are willing to drop cash to actually obtain the new keys, the Developers take that as an oportunity, once the hype is gone, they will address the issue and make those keys more common.

 

Just be patient.

 

Patience is one thing.

But obvious money grabbing is another.

[D3thpool]

We as players are the ones who should be to blame. If we didn't buy keys like games during a steam sale, they wouldn't have done it to us a second time.

 

Supply/demand.

 

Agreed here.

I bought 1 pack & after getting just t1 keys i said screw it.

But i remember threads from people who bought key packs for houndreds of bucks

[.Monarch]

If drop rate weren't this low you run out of stuff to do in this game. It's because that it's 1-3% you would take your time and farm for them. Then farm for the Prime gears that you want. If it was 10% majority of the people would have all the new prime weapons within a week.

 

But with drop rate this low I don't even want to do stuff anymore. I'm not trolling, I'm being serious.

 

I honestly got fed up with the grind and seriously don't want to farm keys anymore.

 

Like the main problem they had before. DE are stacking RNG over another layer of RNG.

 

Games are meant to be fun and time killer. Not a life long occupation of farmers.

 

If it's 1~3% of Void Key Drop. But then I'd have the chance to pick which parts/blue prints to get.

 

Then I'd be ok with that. Instead of doing a lottery, just to have a chance to enter another contest to get another lottery draw.

[Fate_6]

They are pretty low considering there's so many different possible rewards for them. There are way fewer rewards for the old keys, and yet they drop more.

 

Also, T3 Defense is an hour-long experience even with all top-tier weapons and frames, and yet it has basically the same reward as a T1 or T2 easy mission.

[leonvision]

for those wondering, the drops rate are like this:

T1 defense:

grineer and infested:

5.52% T1 old type keys

8.28% T1 new type keys

corpus:

9.48% T1 old type keys

3.69% T1 new type keys

T2 defense:

all factions:

3.68% T2 old type keys

5.52% T2 new type keys

T3 defense:

all factions:

2.21% T3 old type key

6.63% T3 new type key

here's the strange bit: 30.36% T2 old type keys

the drop rates are low, and i agree it should be increased, the strangest bit is we used to get keys at ~32% in a T3 defense (30% for T2, 2% for T3), there's no reason why there's such a big different between the new and old keys.

Edited July 20, 2013 by leonvision

[DAWGUNITALPHA]

I've gotten both bronco and paris prime without much issue. Getting the 10 cells thanks to the new levels and enemies was worse than the key farm. Although forcing us to use both T2 and T3 keys to complete items now is really annoying, there's absolutely no benefit to forcing us to complete low levelled key missions other than wasting our time when we get a reward we already had. At least with T3 keys we got credits (as if they were worth anything anymore) and exp.

[Archistopheles]

But with drop rate this low I don't even want to do stuff anymore. I'm not trolling, I'm being serious.

 

I honestly got fed up with the grind and seriously don't want to farm keys anymore.

 

Like the main problem they had before. DE are stacking RNG over another layer of RNG.

 

Games are meant to be fun and time killer. Not a life long occupation of farmers.

 

If it's 1~3% of Void Key Drop. But then I'd have the chance to pick which parts/blue prints to get.

 

Then I'd be ok with that. Instead of doing a lottery, just to have a chance to enter another contest to get another lottery draw.

 

That's why a game will never work if players are only playing to aquire stuff.

 

The game needs to be fun, first and foremost.

[Eisvogel]

Sadly... anyone could predict they would make the same move as they did when update 8 came with the new amazing void, effectively restricting players from the new content and forcing them to pay for it, have friends who pay for them.... or just wonder how the new gear looks (because it takes a hell lot of runs to really get the new things, and you only find some things in some specific tiers... making the already problematic feat, even harder). Check the tables out there or reddit for the datamined tables

[Royce_Bracket]

You know what's funny? The drop rate for a single key might be roughly 2%, but people seem to be missing out on one thing: there are multiple keys. Assuming the datamined information is correct, in T3 overall, there is a whopping 30.6% chance to get a T2 key and 8.84% chance to get a T3 key. This seems legit, as personally, I see so many T2 Void Keys that I don't even leave the game for them anymore, except on T3s.

[WordsAreEnough]

These drop rates are per five waves though...  friends and I did a couple defense runs last night. Maybe four runs and got two keys... which since we're a group of friends is effectively 8 keys. Regardless, I've never bought key packs and I've gotten all the stuff from previous Tier 3. How many runs do you think it should take to get an item together?

 

It really doesn't take much work to get a couple of the new tier 3 keys.Calling it a pay wall is hyperbole.

[Archistopheles]

Calling it a pay wall is hyperbole.

 

/thread

 

Good game, everyone. Good game.

[Eisvogel]

You know what's funny? The drop rate for a single key might be roughly 2%, but people seem to be missing out on one thing: there are multiple keys. Assuming the datamined information is correct, in T3 overall, there is a whopping 30.6% chance to get a T2 key and 8.84% chance to get a T3 key. This seems legit, as personally, I see so many T2 Void Keys that I don't even leave the game for them anymore, except on T3s.

 

You are talking about something else, or severely missinformed..... new keys have lame drop rates.... old keys are the ones with the drop rates you mention buddy.... and guess what? Old keys don't drop the new things.... so yeah... useless :)

[Inferno_Hamster]

Having come from games with drop rates that are even worse such as .1%, 1-3% is a godsend.

Edited July 20, 2013 by Mega_Tyrant

[Atlas_Smirked]

for those wondering, the drops rate are like this:

T1 defense:

grineer and infested:

5.52% T1 old type keys

8.28% T1 new type keys

corpus:

9.48% T1 old type keys

3.69% T1 new type keys

T2 defense:

all factions:

3.68% T2 old type keys

5.52% T2 new type keys

T3 defense:

all factions:

100% Hellfire

the drop rates are low, and i agree it should be increased, the strangest bit is we used to get keys at ~32% in a T3 defense (30% for T2, 2% for T3), there's no reason why there's such a big different between the new and old keys.

FTFY

[BlueQuail]

How dare they try to run a business and keep the game running for you. Digital Extremes should just work for free and never get paid!

If DE isn't trying to get you to use their shop they're failing as a Business. Stop asking for free things in a game where nearly everything is free.

Edited July 20, 2013 by BlueQuail

[BPoole]

I've gotten several T2 and T3 keys, I've only done a few bc I was busy getting Nova and Seer parts, but I have like 5-6 to use, plus the ones my friends have I can use as well.

[GM_Whale]

Ran 300 waves. 60 runs to wave 5. Received 2 new keys.

 

broken.