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Alliance update ( Glad the community was able to slap you before that happened..  )

 

Charged Chamber ( Why not say it was exclusive before the fact? ) 

 

3 New dojo halls ( Thanks for letting us know about that :P )

 

Rhino Nerf ( Seemed redundant considering hes even stronger now? )

 

Auras? ( Once again the community set that right )

 

Nerfing the grakata crit chance  ( Just why? ) 

 

 

Here is what I want to say, DE you have an ENTIRE COMMUNITY HERE 

 

BETA TESTING YOUR GAME!

 

Why don't you open yourselves up for feeback? 

Honestly I think it would be nice to see you guys informing the community better before doing things that

piss off crap loads of people.
Prime example was the alliance update, I mean that came out of nowhere, with NO heads up.

And upset a lot of people.

We know its your game, But Whats the point of having a beta if you don't use us to your advantage?

I mean it works, Doing things just for the fact of seeing them NOT WORK

and then fixing them.

 

But if you just ask the community, or start discussions before hand, then I think the game would progress

a lot more smoothly.

 

SECOND POINT

 

Please DE, You told us nothing about exclusive mods, and the event system is SO STUPID AND BORING

That I don't see the point of commending players who spend 3 days in a row without sleep killing the same enemy over and over.

Is that what you want your game to be about? Is that the "highlight" of these events?

 

What about the 1000's of other people who spent HOURS, farming for this prize, THINKING they would be able to earn this reward.

And yet, most of them gave up because of the IDEA of being able to get this mod later.

But you informed us all after the fact, that its now exclusive, And that is unprofessional.

 

Please make the event rewards all bracketed, and let players visually know what they need to do to earn things.

Because this is not a competition,

 

IT IS AN "EVENT"

 

A competition is like the kogake kill contest, And turning these boring events into contests of who can grow the biggest neck beard ( no offence to our players who kicked &#! )

Is not fun.

 

 

Sorry for my rant, Hopefully someone reads it, despite the horrible formatting. 

 

 

 

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Well, DE does listen a lot. So many of the updates had changes that were mostly selected by the community; in fact, DE is by far the most player-appeasing game company that I know of.

 

Well 

 

:P 

That's starting to change with all these Whorish platnum prices 

 

I only expect it to get worse when ps4 releases 

 

Enjoy it while it lasts :P 

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True, but they leave A LOT out of the patch notes that players discover after the fact.

 

This is exactly my point

 

I forgot to add that, because its kinda why I started this thread...

 

I don't like how they leave things out without telling us.

 

it feels kinda dirty?

 

Like I don't see why they would do that, Why leave it out if it was necessary to change it?

 

Are we even testing this game lol? 

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This is exactly my point

 

I forgot to add that, because its kinda why I started this thread...

 

I don't like how they leave things out without telling us.

 

it feels kinda dirty?

 

Like I don't see why they would do that, Why leave it out if it was necessary to change it?

 

Are we even testing this game lol? 

I agree, knowing ALL of the changes is great, it lets us give proper feedback, and not guess on "well, did this get nerfed or not?"

 

I like secret stuff it makes it more fun to find out... except nerfs on things that dont need them *cough grakata*

nah, if it's an event where like item locations are secret (i.e. scavenger hunt or something) sure, but if it's changes in game (buffs, nerfs, etc) we should know those.

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You do realise your wrong. If you had paid any attention to the livestream videos, you would have heard all about the clan updates, halls and exlusive stuff that was being done.

De do listen to the community, but its when the community doesnt listen back that issues arise.

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You do realise your wrong. If you had paid any attention to the livestream videos, you would have heard all about the clan updates, halls and exlusive stuff that was being done.

De do listen to the community, but its when the community doesnt listen back that issues arise.

...if you ignore the stuff they leave out of patch notes, sure. Or changes they don't run by the community first.

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I agree with some of the people above, in that DE should include ALL changes in the patch notes. However, they shouldn't have to run every single little change to be approved by the community first. DE is already lenient enough with the sheer speed of their changes (I mean, look at the Aura System. Massive backlash, and it was changed in like a week?), and anyone would be hard pressed to find any other game company so willing to cater to the community's whims. About the Platinum prices, yes, most of the items are exorbitantly overpriced, but the main items that matter, Potatoes, are very cheap. Tbh, this community in general (Nobody specific. Putting up flame shield just in case) has already been spoiled a tad bit too much.

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It's far, far easier to push a bad patch and properly correct it based on the reaction of people playing it. Some ideas that are bad in theory turn out to be quite good, while some ideas that are good in theory turn out to be bad in practice.

 

Two things to consider:

 

a) The ethics is highly questionable to push out a bad patch that features content which costs real money and little to no compensation upon "correcting".  Not to mention historically DE has never told people whether or not "corrections" would be made, or whether or not compensation would be offered.  In some cases they did, like the void keys packs; in some cases they didn't, like the void drop rates.  It's highly unfair to paid players who give DE money on good faith, and unfortunately, the ones that do pay are often the innocent ones who didn't know any better and bought into the hype.

 

b) It's far easier to push out a bad patch and fix it, and it's also a great way to repeatedly leave a sour taste in players' mouths.  Plenty of players are already saying "never buy new content, just wait until the hype dies down and it gets fixed/priced fairly for what it is", and who can blame them?  With the track record DE is currently accruing this is certainly a smart way to consume new content.

 

The fact that communication is currently insufficient only incenses the issue since players have no way of knowing what state the game or its changes is in.  Maybe you haven't bought the Aklatos right now because it's not a great weapon, but you'll get to it eventually... Then suddenly in U10 it vanishes from the market, Snipetron style.  Because of the way DE communicates, nobody can rule this out from happening, just like the reduction of Grakata crit chance I just read about.  What are players supposed to think?

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DE definitely should put patch notes somewhere obvious to all players before actually releasing that patch. Most players would prefer a short and easily accessible summary other than going through all those threads in the forums or hours of livestream to know about what's going to happen to the game.

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You do realise your wrong. If you had paid any attention to the livestream videos, you would have heard all about the clan updates, halls and exlusive stuff that was being done.

De do listen to the community, but its when the community doesnt listen back that issues arise.

 

I'm not wrong..

They never said anything about alliances or the grakata nerf

 

Until they actually came out with it lol.

 

Sure they talked about reducing clan sizes.

 

 

Also did they ever say that the primed chamber mod would be exclusive?

 

NO

 

So people felt like they did not have to spent the entire weekend killing boring enemies,

 

Because they thought they could EARN IT later.

 

Don't tell people they are wrong with no bias  

Read my OP

 

I really dislike people who read one sentence and come into a thread and flame.

 

Get off the forums. 

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It's far, far easier to push a bad patch and properly correct it based on the reaction of people playing it. Some ideas that are bad in theory turn out to be quite good, while some ideas that are good in theory turn out to be bad in practice.

 

Like I said, This is not just about patches.

i'm talking about DE doing things after we all believe otherwise.

 

Its kinda annoying.

 

Prior to the LAST EVENT we could earn the paris mods, and all of the other event rewards.

 

But this event, they decided to make it exclusive after the fact.

 

That's not cool, and its kinda $&*&*#(%& considering how boring the event was.

 

Maybe people would have actually participated if it was fun.

 

*head desk* 

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I agree with some of the people above, in that DE should include ALL changes in the patch notes. However, they shouldn't have to run every single little change to be approved by the community first. DE is already lenient enough with the sheer speed of their changes (I mean, look at the Aura System. Massive backlash, and it was changed in like a week?), and anyone would be hard pressed to find any other game company so willing to cater to the community's whims. About the Platinum prices, yes, most of the items are exorbitantly overpriced, but the main items that matter, Potatoes, are very cheap. Tbh, this community in general (Nobody specific. Putting up flame shield just in case) has already been spoiled a tad bit too much.

 

Well no, But a heads up would be nice.

 

What if they just came out of nowhere and removed ember from the game?

 

People would be PISSED OFF

 

But if they said

 

"hey guys were going to remove ember in about a week, due to technical issues, Just so you are informed" 

 

 

DE = "hey guys we removed ember, go ahead and get pissed off"

 

 

^ Metaphor 

 

 

No DE does a GREAT job coming out with content, And they don't need to involve us with that.

 

But when they make changes or plan events,

 

it would be really nice to know ahead of time so that we don't have to regret the things we did in the past.

 

For example, I would have really liked to know that they would be adding more clan halls.

 

But DE made it so we can tear dojos down and rebuild them, so I'm not that upset.

 

 

But the primed chamber mod.

I really wish I would have known it would have been exclusive.

 

A lot of my clan decided to just kill a few hundred to support asuro.

 

And gave up around there.

 

Because we all THOUGHT we could just earn the mod later as a drop.

 

 

I think as a reward it should not be such a big difference.

 

Sure they stayed up all weekend.

 

But it does not mean they should have a super powerful exclusive mod that we cant get.

 

Maybe make the mod all shiny or something so they can have it as a trophy, and make it difficult to get.

 

 

But don't make it exclusive, especially last minute like that. 

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Actually, DE doesn't always have to give a heads up, the choice is at their sole discretion. It's like a sale; you buy an item, one day later, it's available for half off, then too bad. Also, expecting DE to go through every event or change is highly unrealistic of the average gaming company. How many other game companies do this? How many other companies even interact with their community on the same level DE does? They listen a whole bunch of times, changing things to suit the community's wants(Difficulty, Aura System, Mag and Rhino buffs, Dojo Scaling, etc...) and bam, everyone thinks that they get to approve everything (Exaggeration yes, but you get what I mean) DE does.  However, I do agree with you on the Primed Chamber thing, as it seems ridiculously powerful if used on like a Lanka fired bolt-style (Fire, reload, fire).

 

Edit=I do think that some extremely large changes should be stated by DE though; extremely big ones dealing with things such as server rollbacks, complete revamps, etc..

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And how do you think they change things? With patches.

Many big games actually release their patch notes beforehand - but in DE's case they don't, which is quite frustrating, since a regular player who isn't there for the livestreams or checks the forums regularly will be taken by surprise by the changes each patch (I think this is what OP wants to get at) Edited by Wojek
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