Vauban's Inferior Ultimate

[Shockwave44]

Without comparing him to other warframes, the vortex is pretty fun to use and is quite effective.

 

Now bring in the Nova, Mag, Ember, Volt, Saryn, and Rhino, the Vauban quickly becomes worthless.

 

The warframes I mentioned can instantly kill enemies in a wide area leaving very little left. Notice I said "instantly". The Vauban cannot instantly kill anything, especially in higher defense missions.

 

Using the vortex, it swallows all the enemies close by and slowly eats away at their health. During this time, I have personally experienced players who would run up and perform a rhino stomp, world on fire, crush etc and kill everything in the vortex.

 

It's infuriating because that's 100 energy right down the drain. Why even bother after that?

 

The problem with this is, if they can quickly kill these enemies, what's the point of the Vauban? Why need him at all? He is only really useful in defense missions but even there, he's clearly outclassed.

 

On top of that, we have the teslas, which are very weak, the bouncing things I don't even use and the bastille is the only decent power he has and it doesn't even kill anything.

 

Here are some examples:

 

Here is Nova killing everything in sight. The vortex was there doing it's job until she nuked everything.

 

Maybe someone can explain why ember can fill an entire room with fire? Even with stretch, the vortex would still only cover that ramp.

 

Here's another angle. It's real exciting to have a completely useless warframe in defense missions where Vauban is supposed to shine.

 

Bottom line, either make the Vauban much more deadly or tone down the other warframes. This game should be about teamwork.

 

[LalaLuck]

Bastille

[Urash]

Bastille

 

Because we all sell apples play Frost around here, don't we? Press 3 to be useful, press 4 to be amused.

[Oizen]

You know.

 

the Torid and Vortex go really well together.

[Cleesus]

You can probably write something like this for most frames. Some are just less usesful than others at certain things.

[Shockwave44]

You can probably write something like this for most frames. Some are just less useful than others at certain things.

 

Then you didn't read what I wrote. The pictures should be enough though.

Edited July 20, 2013 by Shockwave44

[Blackhawk12]

Without comparing him to other warframes, the vortex is pretty fun to use and is quite effective.

 

Now bring in the Nova, Mag, Ember, Volt, Saryn, and Rhino, the Vauban quickly becomes worthless.

 

The warframes I mentioned can instantly kill enemies in a wide area leaving very little left. Notice I said "instantly". The Vauban cannot instantly kill anything, especially in higher defense missions.

 

Using the vortex, it swallows all the enemies close by and slowly eats away at their health. During this time, I have personally experienced players who would run up and perform a rhino stomp, world on fire, crush etc and kill everything in the vortex.

 

It's infuriating because that's 100 energy right down the drain. Why even bother after that?

 

The problem with this is, if they can quickly kill these enemies, what's the point of the Vauban? Why need him at all? He is only really useful in defense missions but even there, he's clearly outclassed.

 

On top of that, we have the teslas, which are very weak, the bouncing things I don't even use and the bastille is the only decent power he has and it doesn't even kill anything.

 

 

 

 

Bottom line, either make the Vauban much more deadly or tone down the other warframes. This game should be about teamwork.

 

 

......they will probably not listen to you.... By the way your wrong about tesla it is very powerful when the proper mods are applied plus u can stick them anywhere on players roofs.etc.... the other classes you mention are powerful yes but only because the people playing those frames know how to use mods efficiently.

 

i wont lie i don't see much utility in vortex however when there too many enemies it can be used for crowd control which is in a way main use for Vauban vortex and Bastille are crowd control skills

 

they did say Vauban would be a support class i.e. wont do as much damage but will have no issue controlling map.

 

just like trinity this frame has its own role to play

 

you ar right about one thing, this game is about teamwork. however running with a group of randoms isnt a team a real team is balanced and wont contain just people wanting to top kill chart. just as in WoW you cant do a raid without tanks and healers, higher level wont be doable without support classes eg. trinity,vauban, sometimes frost(cause of snow globe. dont underestimate value of you frame.....(to be continued)

[Elfalpha]

The reason Vauban is good is because of scaling. Sure that ember can kill everything in sight at wave 5, but at wave 25 that's only going to be doing 20-25 damage and taking off 5% of standard mooks health, whereas vauban will still be locking up a huge group of enemies just as well as he did at wave 1.

[Sev1107]

Vauban is mostly CC of late it seems. Glad i stoped playing him after everyone was done raging that he's too good at defense and then got nerfed. Personally i think they should put Vaubans vortex back to the way it was when it was released (power wise) cuz then it was worth using, now the best it does it the same thing as Bastille, just more compressed and does some damage over time. But thats just me.

 

 

And just looking at the pictures doesnt do anything except show us pretty pics of blueish white fire and yellow explosions.

[Shockwave44]

And just looking at the pictures doesn't do anything except show us pretty pics of blueish white fire and yellow explosions.

 

It's about size comparisons. Why use the vortex to cover a tiny ramp when Nova and Ember can kill an entire room?

[Shockwave44]

The reason Vauban is good is because of scaling. Sure that ember can kill everything in sight at wave 5, but at wave 25 that's only going to be doing 20-25 damage and taking off 5% of standard mooks health, whereas vauban will still be locking up a huge group of enemies just as well as he did at wave 1.

 

So Vauban users have to sit through 25 waves before he is useful...

[theammostore]

I don't feel the same way. Vortex can be pretty good and keeping things in check until you can kill them yourselves. It doesn't have to be a super power move that kills things, it's mostly CC.

[Lilybun]

Vauban has bastille, that's enough to make him useful as it has no drop-off whatsoever in the later. Nova is another viable dps frame alongside saryn whereas vauban is CC frame and rhino and frost are utility frames. What we should be focusing on is the frames that are unviable, volt and mag most specifically. Nyx still has mass confuse and mind control that don't lose effectiveness when enemy level rises, banshee has 11 second aoe stun and sonar which makes her scale extremely well, excal is still the jack of all trades, master of none when it comes to pretty much anything. Ash and loki are stealth frames and both pretty good at what they do and trinity is an oddball and takes the cake as the most tanky frame of them all

 

tl;dr fix ember, volt and mag, tweak nyx, banshee, excal and trinity, don't change nova, vauban, rhino, frost, saryn, loki and ash

Edited July 20, 2013 by Uuni

[Shockwave44]

I don't feel the same way. Vortex can be pretty good and keeping things in check until you can kill them yourselves. It doesn't have to be a super power move that kills things, it's mostly CC.

 

Why bother using the Vauban when other warframes can insta-kill in the same situation? Would you rather kill everything in sight or watch the enemies spin around for a few seconds like they are going down a toilet just for them to get back up again? I also said other warframes will just run by and use their power on your vortex, making you waste 100 energy.

Edited July 20, 2013 by Shockwave44

[Shockwave44]

Vauban has bastille, that's enough to make him useful as it has no drop-off whatsoever in the later.

 

That sounds real boring. Spend all that time leveling up a warframe for one ability that doesn't even kill anything.

[Oizen]

That sounds real boring. Spend all that time leveling up a warframe for one ability that doesn't even kill anything.

[Shockwave44]

 

That sounds real boring. Spend all that time leveling up a warframe for one ability that doesn't even kill anything.

 

So make a new thread if you're unhappy with the way frost turned out. That's no excuse to sweep the Vauban problem under the rug.

Edited July 20, 2013 by Shockwave44

[taiiat]

hmm, assuming you use the standard Corpus tile for defense (most people do) - use vortex right over an abyss ;) perfect :>

it doesn't kill them but it makes them get to you very slowly. 

 

i admit, Bastile is better at holding things back than Vortex... so the power cost is probably most of the problem for Vortex. 

maybe if Bastile was power 4 and Vortex was power 3. and Bastile cost 90, and Vortex 50. 

preliminary numbers and such.

 

Tesla is also fine. that crap is great, even. 25en and does a high damage amount, many times in a large range? sheesh. it might not AoE, but it takes out things fine. 

 

 

and.... Bounce is a cool utility, but it shoudn't be an integral frame power or anything, a lot of those niche utilities are cool, but frames should have those niche utilities all the time, IMO. innate powers. and the active powers, would all be something useful to the game. i mean seriously, when is Bounce useful against enemies? exactly. it's a game where you fight lots of enemies, so it shouldn't be something you compromise for.

i'm not sure, though, what a replacement power 2 would be then. Vauban already has powers that are very outside of the box from what i would have thought of. if nothing else, Digital Extremes has a lot of very unique ideas. maybe... some sort of standard-ish turret type thing? places where you point, facing where the player is, and has a 90° cone? would have a decent sort of burst or machine gun. something that can be effective against trash mobs, but not that great against heavy enemies. it's a pretty simple and commonly used sort of thing, but who doesn't like a turret? :D

yes, it would be destroyable by enemies. 

 

to reiterate, i feel frames have powers that shouldn't really be powers, and are useful, but should be innate things rather than mod based. all of these would ideally be replaced with another power though, so not saving mod points or anything. if anything, all the 'useless' powers made innate, and more powers added instead, now if you want to have full sets of caster mods or such, you don't just change a power slot without thinking twice, now every frame would have 4 useful powers, so you would actually have a decision to make!

 

you ar right about one thing, this game is about teamwork. however running with a group of randoms isnt a team a real team is balanced and wont contain just people wanting to top kill chart. just as in WoW you cant do a raid without tanks and healers, higher level wont be doable without support classes eg. trinity,vauban, sometimes frost(cause of snow globe. dont underestimate value of you frame.....(to be continued)

 

Warframe needs more objectives than just killing things i suppose. i like massacring lots of enemies as much as anyone else, but other things to do in missions as well, so frames that aren't all about damage output are also just as useful. many of the major utility frames are also very useful, just not directly damaging, so most players don't use them. ('too hard' is my guess for the other frames).

Edited July 20, 2013 by taiiat

[Oizen]

So make a new thread if you're unhappy with the way frost turned out. That's no excuse to sweep the Vauban problem under the rug.

He's not the only one.

 

There are a lot of other frames who suffer from One Trick Pony syndrome. I honestly feel before they add anymore frames, the next big patch should rework all the frames balancing.

Edited July 20, 2013 by Oizen

[krisp]

 

Now bring in the Nova, Mag, Ember, Volt, Saryn, and Rhino, the Vauban quickly becomes worthless.

 

[ValhaHazred]

You seem to have the opposite opinion of everyone else I've seen on this site. Weird that...

[Icewhynd]

vauban is a support frame and does that job quite good, i just want to see you doing a high lvl infested defense without a vauban at higher tiers - without a CC frame... good luck !

[krisp]

You know what the funniest thing is?

 

He complains that he can't kill everything himself

 

 

AND HE ENDS tHE POST WITH "THIS GAME SHOULD BE ABOUT TEAMWORK"

 

BWAAHAHAHAHA

[Stygi]

I heard that Vortex sucks ... but I'm pretty sure that's a good thing. :P

[Scar.Heart]

I figure I should say that you're not using the right 'frame.

If you want to press 4 and kill everything, get a frame who can do that.

 

Vauban (in my eyes) isn't meant for god-tier damage. He's stronger as a utility, and with proper weapon set-up, along with proper thinking, he becomes an invaluable asset to a Cell.

From causing hordes of enemies to float harmlessly in the air to protect an artifact/incapacitated ally, to tossing endless balls on a hostage for for his own stun-defense, Vauban has many uses.

 

However, if you're just playing Defense maps, you may need to wait a few waves before everyone sees you shine.

 

 

EDIT: Whoops, kinda missed the target there.

 

His ultimate acts as a great time-buyer. While it doesn't kill anything, tossing the Vortex into a massive horde renders them completely useless for a grand amount of time.

Where Bastille fails to capture some enemies (ex: Seekers and rollers), Vortex is indiscriminate, and absorbs all enemies who are close by.

I will admit, I wish it would have enough power to at least kill some of the lighter enemies, but it suffices as a way of buying time to protect objectives, or help a hostage through a choke point that now has been cleared.

 

Overall: I believe a buff of sorts would be nice, though I don't consider it necessary, as far as my experience has gone.

Edited July 20, 2013 by MagnusFury