Are The Kunai... Obsolete?

[Voidpunker]

Ok, maybe obsolete is a strong word.

 

We now have three throwable secondary weapons, and the debate about which one's the best doesn't end. There's the Hikou: With it's "serrated blade" damage type (armor ignore, 3x damage to infested) and fast fire rate, it's an anti-infested beast. There's the Despair: It's "Armor Peircing" damage type lets it tear through Corpus and Grineer like nothing. Then there's the Kunai...

 

Don't get me wrong, the Kunai's a great all-around weapon. The problem is that it's just not good enough at a single thing. I mean, why use the Kunai at all if there's always a better weapon you can be using? A lot of you have said that the Kunai has a better ammo economy than the Hikou, but that's not quite true. The Hikou does 75 damage per shot against infested, while the Kunai only does 45. It's not as efficient against other factions, but you should be using Despair for them anyway.

 

It feels like there's no real competition between these three weapons. Hikou for infested, Despair for everything else, and then there's the Kunai...

 

What do you guys think about this?

 

 

P.S. I'll be using the Despair as soon as I can get my hand on them. How long did it take you to get yours?

[Toztman]

Kunai is best for end game defense due to armor ignore.

[123Olympian]

Well Kuani is great is still good if you don't have Dread, it's dad.

Edited July 21, 2013 by 123Olympian

[Voidpunker]

Kunai is best for end game defense due to armor ignore.

 

All three weapons have innate armor ignore. The "serrated blade" damage type on the Hikou and the "Armor Peircing" damage on the Despair both ignore armor.

[Toztman]

All three weapons have innate armor ignore. The "serrated blade" damage type on the Hikou and the "Armor Peircing" damage on the Despair both ignore armor.

 

Armor piercing and serrated blade is different from armor ignore.  Wiki that shiz cuz im too tired right now.

[Roi.tofu]

Well Kuani is great is still good if you don't have Dread, it's dad.

did you mean Despair?

Because Dread is a bow&arrow weapon.

Kunai is a throwing-knife weapon. 

Despair is also a throwing-knife weapon. 

[123Olympian]

did you mean Despair?

Because Dread is a bow&arrow weapon.

Kunai is a throwing-knife weapon. 

Despair is also a throwing-knife weapon. 

Yeah that. 11PM here. 

[Voidpunker]

Armor piercing and serrated blade is different from armor ignore.  Wiki that shiz cuz im too tired right now.

 

The "serrated blade" damage type innately ignores armor and does triple damage to infested. The "armor peircing" damage type is an elemental damage type. However, it does at least %100 damage to every enemy no matter where you hit them, with the only exceptions being light infested and MOAs.

 

Serrated Blade: http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Serrated_Blade

Armor Peircing: http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Armor_Piercing_Damage

 

Enemy Vulnerabilities: http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Enemy_Vulnerabilities

(Shows how much damage AP does to each target)

Edited July 21, 2013 by thePhysicist8

[dongstrong]

Kunai is good against every faction.

Despair does greater damage on grineer, corpus, and ancients.

Hikou only gets greater damage against light infested.

1 weapon that you can potato and forma to the max or 2 weapons that you will have to split the potato and formas

[taiiat]

lots of intelligent words

i applaud when people once in a while know the right information and don't just talk like they know everything with wrong information.

 

 

anyways, i guess that's indeed the way it is. personally i'd still take knives over stars. i don't really like spamming. 

Edited July 21, 2013 by taiiat

[Tatersail]

Hikou "serrated blade" do triple damage against 1 type of mob in 1 faction, the Light infested that nobody cares about.... Ancients are the only thing that really matter fighting infested, Dethcube can kill light infested, after all the aoe is done, Ancients are all that are left.

 

There double rate of fire make them unusable because they consume too much ammo.

 

Until acrid, your main weapons are, Kunai or despair.   Kunai if you can't aim simply spam things and they die, Despair do a tiny bit more damage but require you to aim to beat the kunai in most situations.

[fatpig84]

The only time Hikou will excel is when you are farming Phorid.

The x3 light damage is too much for the poor + sized Charger to withstand.

 

But light infested are pretty down the priorities lists.

Anything else Kunai will supersede the Hikou.

 

Despair of course is only the best vs Grineer and Blockheads.

[weezedog]

Kunai - because I'm too lazy to change my mods out to a different weapon for every different mission type. Plus Kunai stagger, which is invaluable and something no DPS number can ever reflect.

[Voidpunker]

Hikou "serrated blade" do triple damage against 1 type of mob in 1 faction, the Light infested that nobody cares about.... Ancients are the only thing that really matter fighting infested, Dethcube can kill light infested, after all the aoe is done, Ancients are all that are left.

 

There double rate of fire make them unusable because they consume too much ammo.

 

Until acrid, your main weapons are, Kunai or despair.   Kunai if you can't aim simply spam things and they die, Despair do a tiny bit more damage but require you to aim to beat the kunai in most situations.

 

Having a weapon that can be used against light infested is vital if you don't have a slashing melee weapon.

 

As long as you're using them against light infested, they will do considerably more damage per shot than the Kunia. That means that their ammo efficiency is actually BETTER than that of the Kunai against light infested.

 

Yes, Despair requires you to aim. Even if you can't aim, and hit every enemy in the body, you'll still do just as much damage as with the Kunai. If you can aim, however, you can do %400 damage with headshots to Grineer/Corpus, and %200 damage with headshots to ancients.

[Voidpunker]

Kunai is good against every faction.

Despair does greater damage on grineer, corpus, and ancients.

Hikou only gets greater damage against light infested.

1 weapon that you can potato and forma to the max or 2 weapons that you will have to split the potato and formas

 

Yes, the Kunai mihgt seem nice because it's one all-around weapon. Still, you'll want to choose one of the other two. The Hikou is awesome for infested, and it actually has a higher DPS than the Kunai against other enemies. If you want to use a slashing melee weapon against infested, then you can use the Despair against everything else.

 

Kunai DPS: 148.5

Hikou DPS: 166.75

Hikou DPS (Infested): 500.25

[weezedog]

Hikou are much less ammo efficient due to having much less damage per shot. And if you are out of ammo your dps is 0. Though you can carry ammo boxes to help mitigate that. At least it's not as bad as dual vipers.

Edited July 22, 2013 by weezedog

[Dasmir]

Hikou are much less ammo efficient due to having much less damage per shot. And if you are out of ammo your dps is 0. Though you can carry ammo boxes to help mitigate that. At least it's not as bad as dual vipers.

 

those things are like akbolto straight upgrade..

[Voidpunker]

Hikou are much less ammo efficient due to having much less damage per shot. And if you are out of ammo your dps is 0. Though you can carry ammo boxes to help mitigate that. At least it's not as bad as dual vipers.

 

Their damage per shot is the highest of the three when fighting infested, which is their strong suit.

[weezedog]

Their damage per shot is the highest of the three when fighting infested, which is their strong suit.

 

LIGHT infested and ONLY light infested, it's important to make that distinction, because light infested don't matter. You can just melee them and do way more damage anyway.

[Davoodoo]

Kunai is good against every faction.

Despair does greater damage on grineer, corpus, and ancients.

Hikou only gets greater damage against light infested.

1 weapon that you can potato and forma to the max or 2 weapons that you will have to split the potato and formas

Giving despair fire dmg mod makes light infested die fast enough. Still we see more armor capped ancients than light infested.

[MageMeat]

They'd better be obsolete. I'm sick of them.

They are extremely easily obtainable, overpowered, and everybody uses them.

[Dasmir]

They'd better be obsolete. I'm sick of them.

They are extremely easily obtainable, overpowered, and everybody uses them.

 

those thing should be rank 6..

[TenZa]

Kunai is best for end game defense due to armor ignore.

Armor piercing > Armor ignore. Despair has higher base damage and will do the same or MORE damage to every enemy in the game except 1 subclass of 1 faction, and 1 part of 1 type of enemy.

 

 

Despair do a tiny bit more damage but require you to aim to beat the kunai in most situations.

 

Incorrect. Again, except for light infested and the gun on MOAs, Despair will equal or beat Kunai's damage on every enemy no matter where you hit them.

 

Despair of course is only the best vs Grineer and Blockheads.

Incorrect for the reasons stated above.

[AfroGamerNinja]

Hell no. Despair's AP is a freaking downgrade from Kunai's AI. If you worry about MOAs and light Infested, isn't that where your primary and your melee weapon come in?

[crivers]

I sold my kunais. At first i like the damage on them especially the armor ignore but then once my clan got accessed to the acrid...