Nova Vs. Vauban

[basilioss]

Right now I have both of these frames and like each a lot, but I can't really pick one. I want to have one general purpose loadout for everything. I want the community's opinions on what playstyles they support, and which one you think is better for whatever reason. Thanks in advance!

 

Also, it would be nice if you don't troll: Vauban sucks, Nyx = best or something like that. 

[Lampshade]

vaub is far more versatile for general purpose because he has control

[Megakruemel]

I like both and play them both. However a Vauban is good for defending a position and Noca is good for defending herself and dealing a lot of damage out of nowwhere.

They are both great warframes.

I personally like Nova more though because &#!.

[Turtleshellon]

There is nothing at all that is great about Nova. Nova has one mod that is good and that is Molecular Prime. The rest of her skills are pretty useless. Worm Hole can be fun but not all that viable unless they make it where it can send multiple enemies through it sending them away from the pod on defense missions. Molecular Prime is only good at lower levels but does not do much vs high level enemies. I'm sure Nova will go through some changes but as she is now, not worth a main slot. Vauban on the other hand is top Frame ATM. 

[Hybridon]

Vauban is more versatile.

 

Nova is usually good when paired up with other wfs, especially Vauban, that does CC like a god tier warframe =P

 

Id bring Vauban to almost any mission, while Nova is astonishing and Im having a blast with her, I dont see her being versatile on the battlefield unless paired up with the right people, while Vauban fits in with any team :)

[TwiceDead]

There is nothing at all that is great about Nova. Nova has one mod that is good and that is Molecular Prime. The rest of her skills are pretty useless. Worm Hole can be fun but not all that viable unless they make it where it can send multiple enemies through it sending them away from the pod on defense missions. Molecular Prime is only good at lower levels but does not do much vs high level enemies. I'm sure Nova will go through some changes but as she is now, not worth a main slot. Vauban on the other hand is top Frame ATM. 

 

I'd say her second ability is great for setting up 12-18k damage mini-nukes... 

[Gestalt]

If by general purpose you mean for solo/co-op as well as across different mission types and factions, I would say both have their ups and downs.

From my limited experience soloing with Vauban, it seems to be a mediocre to above-average frame, due to support abilities. Tesla is nice, but you can't stick it to someone (except in the rare cases when you get the right camera angle to stick it on your sentinel); seizure cage is nice, but you still have to deal with them using your weapons; Vortex is good, but damage is low unless you have an explosive weapon.

Soloing with Nova on the other hand is very horrifying. Null Star is basically a better version of Tesla (when soloing), as you run around with it; slap on the obligatory energy siphon and you're good to spam it all mission long. It's good enough to 1shot everything that runs into you on a lower level mission. Atomic Mass(?) does a ton of damage, but only when you're hosting/soloing or not lagging. Molecular Prime just kills absolutely everything with maxed range/damage.

So in solo, I would go with Nova most of the time, due to the raw output of damage.

When it comes to co-op, which is usually just going to be endless defense, you can go either way, but each has its perk. As Nova is still fresh and new, everyone is running defense with Novas. As such, you will run into many defense missions with 3~4 Novas and everything just dies... until you run into higher waves with tons of ancients (in the cast of infested), and you start wishing there is a Vauban there to cc them for maximum efficiency + safety of the pod.

So overall, I'd say in solo, as long as you are not constantly dying, go with Nova for the glass cannon experience.

For co-op, if you're running with people you know, make sure you have at least one Vauban for full-on facerolling. If you PUG, either one is fine, as both are very helpful.

[Eulo]

Tesla is nice, but you can't stick it to someone (except in the rare cases when you get the right camera angle to stick it on your sentinel);

You can, when not playing solo. Can be difficult if people aren't willing to wait and let you do it; try to catch em on an elevator ride. They need to add in a way for Vaub to easily throw Tesla's on himself/sentinels easier.

 

I'd honestly say Vauban over Nova (aka That 70's Frame) for all around, general purpose use. While Nova has great burst dps, she well...that's really all she has, one trick pony for lack of a better term. Vauban on the other hand not only has strong offense (Vortex and Tesla) but his CC/Defense abilities are great (Bastille and Tesla). Even though Bastille doesn't do any damage, it still provides a long opportunity to reload/find cover/ pick off as many enemies as possible. When gravity returns, their numbers are thin and easily manageable. The only problem with Bastille is that you can headshot enemies when they are CC'd by it, but that glitch I'm sure will be fixed eventually; but even with that small oversight, Bastille is still a great ability in any situation.

 

So overall, I see Nova more as a quick 'get in, blow siht up and get out' frame whereas Vauban imposes his will over any situation, and when colored right he looks like he has an HEV suit on, which is always a plus when compared to bell-bottoms.

Edited July 22, 2013 by Eulo

[Gestalt]

You can, when not playing solo. Can be difficult if people aren't willing to wait and let you do it; try to catch em on an elevator ride. They need to add in a way for Vaub to easily throw Tesla's on himself/sentinels easier.

 

I'd honestly say Vauban over Nova for all around, general purpose ninja-ing. While Nova has great burst dps, she well...that's really all she has, one trick pony for lack of a better term. Vauban on the other hand not only has strong offense (Vortex and Tesla) but his CC/Defense abilities are great (Bastille and Tesla). Even though Bastille doesn't do any damage, it still provides a long opportunity to reload/find cover/ pick off as many enemies as possible. When gravity returns, their numbers are thin and easily manageable. The only problem with Bastille is that you can headshot enemies when they are CC'd by it, but that glitch I'm sure will be fixed eventually; but even with that small oversight, Bastille is still a great ability in any situation.

 

So overall, I see Nova more as a quick 'get in, blow siht up and get out' frame whereas Vauban imposes his will over any situation.

Yeah, that's what I mean that you can't stick it on anything in solo, as opposed to co-op, except that one time I somehow got it to stock to my sentinel :P

And I mostly run solo and a few co-op Xini with PUGs, so I don't have to deal with high level enemies like 80+ much, when Nova's damage becoming lackluster.

[TemetNosce]

Nova, definitely. Vauban is a great frame, and one I currently use a lot, but take him out of his element and he falls from one of the top two frames in the game to mediocre at best. His skills are mostly relevant to Defense missions, and when not in a situation where you're staying in one spot with enemies coming to you they simply lose power.

 

While Nova... Yeah, she's basically a one trick pony, but her one trick is relevant basically anywhere.

[basilioss]

From what I understand, M Prime is only viable if there are a bazillion and one enemies in one area.

[Gestalt]

From what I understand, M Prime is only viable if there are a bazillion and one enemies in one area.

M Prime is so confusing T_T That's the mission right there~

But yeah, it loses its luster and feeling of OPness around level 70-80 and beyond, and that's why if you have a Vauban and a Nova together, the Vauban can stop all dead in the tracks and bunch them up around the outskirts of his cage, and Nova can clean them off when they're all bunched up.... Delicious.

[Hybridon]

M Prime is so confusing T_T That's the mission right there~

But yeah, it loses its luster and feeling of OPness around level 70-80 and beyond, and that's why if you have a Vauban and a Nova together, the Vauban can stop all dead in the tracks and bunch them up around the outskirts of his cage, and Nova can clean them off when they're all bunched up.... Delicious.

 

Did that yesterday... 2 Novas, a Vauban and a Rhino... Roar, Prime + Prime with everything hangin with that Bastille.

 

Never saw so many explosions, we pulled out on wave 30 getting an incredible Heated Charge. OMG its all I needed, seriously u.u

[Turtleshellon]

I'd say her second ability is great for setting up 12-18k damage mini-nukes... 

The problem is there is not much control 

[Pendragon1951]

I have to admit right off I have not used Vauban as much as I probably should, so I can only speak on Nova which I have been using since she came out and this is how I have used her. I have her at rank 28 at the moment and un-forma, my loadout is Supra-30 Acrid-10 Orthos-30. What weapons you carry also plays a part in your style of play. First off right out of the box she is the second fastest frame out there, so right there she over shadows Vauban when it comes to solo play, and I have not even put rush on her yet. So in essence you can out run almost anything. Now lets take her powers, Wormhole, like Loki she can get into those hard to get to places that you would normally have to parkour to especially in the Void and that new area in the Grineer Galleon(took me 45 minutes to get out of there before I got Nova). Null Star is like having little gun stars around which cost almost nothing to use and can pretty much protect you on almost any mission, I wish they had a better range myself, but still a good little protective shield. Anti-Matter Drop is really good, if used correctly, great for using around those corners where you know enemies wait for you, plus here is a tip. I'm sure most of you know about the large golden balls in the void. Here is how you get everything in them using Anti-Matter Drop, just shoot one at each ball before stepping on the plate it should break everything in either globe then step on the plate. This can be done with the Ogris as well but since we are talking about Nova. M-Prime will get you out of any sticky situation when you get overwhelmed in those tight places that you get caught in on some of those missions. If modded correctly M-Prime has quite a long range, using the Xeni map as an example, if you were to stand where the pod next to the boxes, you can cast M-Prime all the way to the door to the right of the pod. In my opinion I look at Nova as more of an offensive Frame which fits my style of play. You also have to remember that 80% of the time your using your weapons so it makes a difference how your powers compliment your weapon loadout. 

[Maou]

personaly id go for Nova, Vauban just kinda lost it for me, he doesnt really have any good damage skills and well he needs a group too really operate properly, rather than Nova who she van blast everyone to kingdom come. and still can do it solo.

[Mak_Gohae]

Vauban is defensive Nova Science Now is offensive.

[TunaMayo]

From what I understand, M Prime is only viable if there are a bazillion and one enemies in one area.

 

Not necessarily, it is great for high level enemies or bosses with the 100% damage buff.

 

As Mak-Gohae mentioned, they compliment eachother, with Vauban being the defensive boss and Nova being the damage queen.

 

I have played pretty extensively with both, and I have to say I think Nova is more versatile in terms of being effective across all three factions. Vauban relies on stuff coming towards him and his "traps", making him effective against melee units, whereas Nova relies on getting herself in the thick of it, causing huge damage and trying not to die!

 

Also Wormhole > Bounce.

[Cerebrawl]

There is nothing at all that is great about Nova. Nova has one mod that is good and that is Molecular Prime. The rest of her skills are pretty useless. Worm Hole can be fun but not all that viable unless they make it where it can send multiple enemies through it sending them away from the pod on defense missions. Molecular Prime is only good at lower levels but does not do much vs high level enemies. I'm sure Nova will go through some changes but as she is now, not worth a main slot. Vauban on the other hand is top Frame ATM. 

Apart from the rest of her skills not being useless, you're also missing that primed enemies take double damage from everything. This makes it into a Sonar-like ability that doesn't require hitting a weakspot, and it also has the mass explosion factor going for it. It's always great, while it diminishes in instant-kill-everything at higher levels, its damage doubling becomes ever more useful. I'd say this makes Nova more useful than Banshee for damage amping, because often Banshee's sonar weakspots are tiny bobbing targets that are often hell to actually hit, that's if they aren't obscured by the enemy's facing.

 

Want an easy time in T3 defense? Frost, Vauban, Nyx and Nova. And Nova is pretty key for it too, tried the same setup except Loki instead of Nova, we got overrun on the last wave, joy.

[GetAtMeMods]

Novas better after vortex nerf.

[luanle21]

vauban

 

nova is good but her ult need a lot of people in a cluster and her AM drop is bugged

[smithf]

Yeah, that's what I mean that you can't stick it on anything in solo, as opposed to co-op, except that one time I somehow got it to stock to my sentinel :P

 

I stick it to my sentinel all the time. In Solo. e.g. for the Grineer Informer event, I just stick 2-3 Tesla to sentinel and then just run through the level (sometimes I don't even bother to use weapons). The tesla will get rid of enemies, as well as the Informers when they get close enough (often without even me noticing where they are: the minimap shows noise due to presence of Informers, then one explosion sound later, minimap is clear again.).

 

Tesla is VERY usable, even in, and especially in, Solo.