Alternate single arrow fire mod for Cernos Prime QOL improvement needed!!!!

[Xgomme]

3 minutes ago, Willardrufaro said:

You say those things as if we have infinite energy . If the Rakta Cernos , doesn't need a myriad of abilities to take out a non-fodder enemies , then why does the Cernos Prime do? Its like saying , oh if my fury buff on my Chroma reaches 1000% then my machete can do some damage. A prime should be able to hold its own without the use of abilities , synergies are nice but a weapon shouldn't need them to be decent , especially a prime weapon . 

That's totally subjective

To me primes should be more specialises/skilled or hard to build (with mods I don't talk about crafting), not a simple powercreep like Galatine P

 

Even MORE when we already have a handfull of good ranged Bows ingame

Edited September 23, 2017 by Xgomme

[Willardrufaro]

4 minutes ago, Xgomme said:

First you have more status chances on the non-charged shot, and more PT on the charged one, the loading time is not something problematic
And again Warframe is a game where you have a full loadout, just tried this Bow with Mag and destroyed lvl100 bombard with a no forma build, for example

And how long did it take to "destroy" the level 100 bombard and how times did the bombard kill you. Did you use abilites , and did you compare the results with other bows ?If you going to say something  like that , have all the facts , so that we can know whether what you are saying is of any merit .

[Xgomme]

11 minutes ago, Willardrufaro said:

And how long did it take to "destroy" the level 100 bombard and how times did the bombard kill you. Did you use abilites , and did you compare the results with other bows ?If you going to say something  like that , have all the facts , so that we can know whether what you are saying is of any merit .

If you knew Mag you would not ask anything like that...
If you want to compare everything and play only the best, I'll save you some time and fun : Go play Tigris

[Willardrufaro]

8 minutes ago, Xgomme said:

That's totally subjective

To me primes should be more specialises/skilled or hard to build (with mods I don't talk about crafting), not a simple powercreep like Galatine P

 

Even MORE when we already have a handfull of good ranged Bows ingame

Correct me if i'm wrong ,but you are saying its ok for a prime weapon to be S#&$ty . Galatine P is definitely not a power creep , trust me ,if it was i'd use it a lot me often .I think at this point you are just trying to sarcastic ,at your MR you still find some weapons difficult to build?i'd understand that if it came from a new player .And didnt i just tell you that my Cernos Prime has 6 forma and a catalyst in it and it still struggles at higher levels .Its not that its difficult to build ( it never is) its just that its damn too weak .It needs this kind of change to make it good . Before you comment further , stop ,put a catalyst in your  Cernos P (if you have it) and some forma , go with it into all the sorties , and then come back share your thoughts .

 

[Xgomme]

3 minutes ago, Willardrufaro said:

Correct me if i'm wrong ,but you are saying its ok for a prime weapon to be S#&$ty . Galatine P is definitely not a power creep , trust me ,if it was i'd use it a lot me often .I think at this point you are just trying to sarcastic ,at your MR you still find some weapons difficult to build?i'd understand that if it came from a new player .And didnt i just tell you that my Cernos Prime has 6 forma and a catalyst in it and it still struggles at higher levels .Its not that its difficult to build ( it never is) its just that its damn too weak .It needs this kind of change to make it good . Before you comment further , stop ,put a catalyst in your  Cernos P (if you have it) and some forma , go with it into all the sorties , and then come back share your thoughts .

 

If you 6 forma a weapon you'll lock most builds, "difficult" to build in the way you don't just put all the dmg mods you have like a monkey
And I just did like I said and tried it in the simulacrum, with the proper loadout it's totally a working weapon (0 forma, only potatoe)

You'll always see a diff in stats between a projectile based weapon and a hitscan one btw, projectiles have different ways to be abused

I don't really need to prove you the weapon is working since you will not use it like I use it anyway, you seems locked to a sort of "basic" gameplay, best thing I can try is to roll a riven to see if -multishot riven can remove the added projectiles, so you can use it as a single target Bow

 

And now if we go out of "but mu dmgs !" we can think about some cc builds, since you have inate fan multishot "Thunderbolt" is way less ridiculous, acolytes mods to boost your status chances + dual stats mods. You can use it to cc and finish them with your melee. And if you reach enough status (riven needed I guess) you have the charged shot free PT to proc to even more mobs

[Willardrufaro]

7 minutes ago, Xgomme said:

If you knew Mag you would not ask anything like that...
If you want to compare everything and play only the best, I'll save you some time and fun : Go play Tigris

So somehow it makes sense to you compare an MR13 weapon to an MR 8 weapon .Look at the soma p its MR6 .I'm embarrassed it took me this long to realize it, but it seems i was talking to a toddler this entire time. You're barely using any concrete logic and provide use frivolous  ideas rather than factual info .Therefore i'll probably just ignore you as it seems speaking to won't provide with any insight .

[Xgomme]

Just now, Willardrufaro said:

So somehow it makes sense to you compare an MR13 weapon to an MR 8 weapon .Look at the soma p its MR6 .I'm embarrassed it took me this long to realize it, but it seems i was talking to a toddler this entire time. You're barely using any concrete logic and provide use frivolous  ideas rather than factual info .Therefore i'll probably just ignore you as it seems speaking to won't provide with any insight .

Yeah because the low MR guy will not have stuff to use it properly, but yeah feel free to ignore me. I don't give a real clem
The whole deal just cost me a potatoe and I gained a new weapon for Mag, I could even say thanks !

[krc473]

3 hours ago, Willardrufaro said:

I feel like giving the cernos prime a single fire mode would be huge and fair improvement to it . Its a decent weapon , with decent stats but the sharing of dmg between each projectile , renders it useless against enemies > level 30 at which point it just tickles them ,(and unfortunately not to death). Its a great mechanic but because you can;ttake it into more rewarding content its stuck as MR fodder . Its a Prime weapon outdone by most of the non-prime weapons at a similar and even lower , MR lock . Good day Masseur .

Mine works fine in sorties. It's more fun than other bows, in my opinion. With my setup, it's basically a shotgun, dressed up as a bow.

 

Personally, I wouldn't use single fire on it. I mean, the whole point is that it shoots three arrows. If I want a decent, single arrow bow I will take rakta cernos. 

 

Edit, another point to note. Cernos prime is meant to be better than normal cernos. It is not meant to be better than rakta cernos. Prime versions are only improvements on the standard version.

Edited September 23, 2017 by krc473

[Willardrufaro]

4 hours ago, krc473 said:

Mine works fine in sorties. It's more fun than other bows, in my opinion. With my setup, it's basically a shotgun, dressed up as a bow.

 

Personally, I wouldn't use single fire on it. I mean, the whole point is that it shoots three arrows. If I want a decent, single arrow bow I will take rakta cernos. 

 

Edit, another point to note. Cernos prime is meant to be better than normal cernos. It is not meant to be better than rakta cernos. Prime versions are only improvements on the standard version.

Please scroll through the other comments and see what i have to say , i'm tired of saying the same things.

[krc473]

1 hour ago, Willardrufaro said:

Please scroll through the other comments and see what i have to say , i'm tired of saying the same things.

I have seen what you are saying. My experience with it is different to yours.

Mine has a catalyst and four forma. Used it a lot, and that is my opinion. From my experience with it, there is nothing wrong with it.

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[Willardrufaro]

You try to give a man bowl so that he can eat his cereal, but he says no i think i prefer to eat it from the ground . Why do people dislike improvement . Sure once every 5 months you'll encounter someone using the weapon , because its " very popular " and "amazing to use. " I really wonder how hard it was to get the sicarus prime buffed .i wonder if people refuse pay increments and say "Oh you pay me very little but its fine , i dont want a raise."

[DatDarkOne]

On ‎9‎/‎24‎/‎2017 at 9:37 AM, Willardrufaro said:

You try to give a man bowl so that he can eat his cereal, but he says no i think i prefer to eat it from the ground . Why do people dislike improvement . Sure once every 5 months you'll encounter someone using the weapon , because its " very popular " and "amazing to use. " I really wonder how hard it was to get the sicarus prime buffed .i wonder if people refuse pay increments and say "Oh you pay me very little but its fine , i dont want a raise."

It's not about not wanting improvement.  It's more that most feel that the Cernos Prime serves it's intended purpose.  Which is close range shotgun bow.  In that role the Cernos Prime is great.  Once you add any range to the equation is where it fails to hold up against other bows.  I personally think the Cernos Prime is a good looking POS, and I love all bows.  I also see where it's strengths are, and only recently decided that it's one of the few bows that benefits very well from the Thunderbolt mod.  I'll be honest in that the power of the Cernos Primes only really fails to impress when compared directly to the long range damage of Rakta Cernos, Dread, and Daikyu.  I'm still a little bit salty that it wasn't the Daikyu Prime instead, but that's me.   :D 

[Fractalisomega]

Well as shown in the trailer for Valkyr why not give it a grapple shot?

This would make it unique for the bows and give players a way to target a single enemy.

 

[Willardrufaro]

17 hours ago, DatDarkOne said:

It's not about not wanting improvement.  It's more that most feel that the Cernos Prime serves it's intended purpose.  Which is close range shotgun bow.  In that role the Cernos Prime is great.  Once you add any range to the equation is where it fails to hold up against other bows.  I personally think the Cernos Prime is a good looking POS, and I love all bows.  I also see where it's strengths are, and only recently decided that it's one of the few bows that benefits very well from the Thunderbolt mod.  I'll be honest in that the power of the Cernos Primes only really fails to impress when compared directly to the long range damage of Rakta Cernos, Dread, and Daikyu.  I'm still a little bit salty that it wasn't the Daikyu Prime instead, but that's me.   :D 

Again . shotguns already do at least 10 times better than that.Having a long reload means it isnt viable for short range because by the time it's fully charged you'd be dead already.Repeat after , ..."stay away from the heavy hitters unless you can kill them quickly ."  .If you used the bow more than once every 3 months then you'd know what i'm talking . Stop trying to validate a "good" but useless function , on a weapon you barely use because even you , despite all your idealism won't touch it .Thunderbolt is just a fun gimmick, you most certainly can not really on it for damage .Please don't ruin a fix that could help out people who actually use the weapon. Please have the decency to go through thread , perhaps it will wake you from this comatose level of thinking ..Got to the void , got to sedna , and see if work . Repeat after me ,"slow charge +close enemy =death  , firerate +low damage +close enemy=death." Use the fucken weapon before spewing nonsense about things you have no grasp on. Try out the weapon on Mot(an average mission found in the void) for 10mins .You can only understand how bad the weapon is , once you stop playing missions meant for infants .And you have so blindly pointed out , a prime weapon is weaker than regular weapons in the same category , surely even with a few neurons , you can tell that there is something wrong here .

[Grimmstyler]

Personally i think the Cerrnos Prime is a Ivara exclusive.. 

[DatDarkOne]

On ‎9‎/‎26‎/‎2017 at 6:23 AM, Willardrufaro said:

Again . shotguns already do at least 10 times better than that.Having a long reload means it isnt viable for short range because by the time it's fully charged you'd be dead already.Repeat after , ..."stay away from the heavy hitters unless you can kill them quickly ."  .If you used the bow more than once every 3 months then you'd know what i'm talking . Stop trying to validate a "good" but useless function , on a weapon you barely use because even you , despite all your idealism won't touch it .Thunderbolt is just a fun gimmick, you most certainly can not really on it for damage .Please don't ruin a fix that could help out people who actually use the weapon. Please have the decency to go through thread , perhaps it will wake you from this comatose level of thinking ..Got to the void , got to sedna , and see if work . Repeat after me ,"slow charge +close enemy =death  , firerate +low damage +close enemy=death." Use the fucken weapon before spewing nonsense about things you have no grasp on. Try out the weapon on Mot(an average mission found in the void) for 10mins .You can only understand how bad the weapon is , once you stop playing missions meant for infants .And you have so blindly pointed out , a prime weapon is weaker than regular weapons in the same category , surely even with a few neurons , you can tell that there is something wrong here .

Wow.  You insult me for trying to answer your question while agreeing with you?  I only tried to explain why some would think that it's fine as is while still realizing it sucks in direct comparison to other bows.  Heck I even called it a good looking POS.  You do know what that stands for right?

Now, I have used the Cernos Prime a good bit.  Even forma'd it a few times.  Used it both in groups and solo with Ivara.  Using Prowl while solo, I could easily see it's advantages and disadvantages.  So the "slow charge + close enemy=death" was never an issue.  I took that same weapon into MOT, various Grineer survivals, Fissure missions, and Sorties. 

If you are looking at my in-game profile as the basis for your lack of use comment, please be aware that percentage stat in usage category is very misleading and rarely accurate.  Especially when you've been playing a long time and used specific weapons more than anything else.  Heck my Rakta Cernos usage is so high that it would take quite awhile for other primaries to even show more than 1% usage.  

What I'm wondering is why you chose to attack and insult me using erroneous assumptions while I was agreeing with you that the weapon sucked in direct comparison to other bows?  Why am I having to defend myself for trying to answer your question in an honest manner? This very question I will quote below.

On ‎9‎/‎24‎/‎2017 at 9:37 AM, Willardrufaro said:

Why do people dislike improvement .

 

Edited September 28, 2017 by DatDarkOne