Snowglobe On Infestation Defense Maps..

[Niryco]

deviating from topic... but this is my latest inspiration...

 

Vauban with Bastille. Keeps infested just beyond the range, and will be nice to "clump up" enemies.

Nova will then Mole-prime all in range.

Nyx will then Chaos (AFTER Nova's Mole-prime), whose main purpose is to make the Runners go hug their nearest buddies and explodes... triggering Mole-prime.

Bring an extra Rhino for buffing Mole-prime (applicable?) or even better, bring another Nova...

 

Repeat.

 

Possible advantages:

= All can stay near the pod with low risk (Bastille + Chaos).

= All enemies dies near the pod, dropping their loot near.

= Lower reliance on weapons/ammo (Mole-Prime clearing non-ancients, then finish off the ancients while they are back-patting each other)

= Simple.

 

I want to look for an opportunity to try this and see how high enemy levels can be reached before it starts getting serious :)

Good idea, but still restricted to level 70+ infested. After which the numerous amount of ancients will obliterate the players ammo count and crawlers can survive up to 2 blast.

 

Reason is that i did it before but in randoms and it lasted us in xini to round 20 but we couldn't go further when the mobs were like level 120 -129 and our ammo was being consumed too fast.

[TheLostReverend]

Mostly solved by a max power range. I would rather have a toxic in the area than a full speed charging disruptor leaking all my energy. At least if I go down I will have some energy if I get up again.

 

*Shakes fist* Dam you energy leaching crab meat eating monopoly playing kanigits!

[RagDollRat]

stretch is your friend. and a good frost shouldnt be throwing a globe down and then go exploring, either.

THIIS

 

i swear the number of missions were my bubble has envoloped others is saddening

[Fleetwing]

How to Frost infested defense:

Step 1: Throw down snow globe.

Step 2: Dust off your frost-modded scythe. Remain in the globe.

Step 3: Wait for mobs to enter the globe. When they do, murder them with said scythe.

Step 4: If more than four mobs enter at the same time, ground-pound, knock them off their feet, and then murder them with your scythe.

Step 5: If a toxic ancient enters the globe, ground-pound, knock it over, and then murder it with your primary.

Step 6: When wave ends, run around madly and collect all loot.

But seriously, as long as the mission doesn't wipe because of it...

[Izonami]

Uh, I've had zero issue with Snow Globe on infested missions. The slow is extremely helpful.

[kippen.power]

Hahaha this reminds me when i was playing my frost prime on Xini

 

 

some guy was like ''STOP using snowglobe its useless on infested maps''

so i stopped using it

next wave pods gets destroyed

 

 

lel...

[Kesella]

You could use snowglobe at range, say behind the broken elevator on Xini to slow the enemy advance.  Useless no, not as strong, sure.

[DishSoap]

Using Snowglobe on Infrested Defense is horrible never do it. Instead use the energy to freeze enemies and do damage with Avalanche

Edited July 23, 2013 by DishSoap

[Fate_6]

Well, no one can control when Toxics arrive.

 

Snow Globe just slows down everyone affected. Quite useful for all the other enemies. So sometimes, it's best to not care about this.

Snow Globe is worse than useless against Ancients, meaning it shouldn't be used. Use Bastille if you want an AoE CC that is fire and forget.

 

PS - if you have a teammate with Ogris it becomes impossible for them to use it on anything within the Globe.

Edited July 23, 2013 by Fate_6

[Cryp2Nite]

How to Frost infested defense:

Step 1: Throw down snow globe.

Step 2: Dust off your frost-modded scythe. Remain in the globe.

Step 3: Wait for mobs to enter the globe. When they do, murder them with said scythe.

Step 4: If more than four mobs enter at the same time, ground-pound, knock them off their feet, and then murder them with your scythe.

Step 5: If a toxic ancient enters the globe, ground-pound, knock it over, and then murder it with your primary.

Step 6: When wave ends, run around madly and collect all loot.

 

And your team mates do what? 4 people in a 10m² area against a dozen level 150 toxic ancients. Brilliant idea, can't wait to see that.

If only one toxic gets down near ~1,5m from the pod, the mission is over. Its a tedious way to deal with, so much flaws and downsides...

Nearly every other constellation of warframes can handle it faster, safer, with much better movement options. The fact alone that you

can't take out an enemy fast at distance is a 100% no-go.

 

Snow Globe will work until a certain level (if your team is right and well equipped it should be no problem to reach wave 25-30 at Xini)

but it's no way a tactic for real high level defense. And if a Vauban/Nyx is in your team there is no fckin reason to cast this S#&$ty globe.

For these teams, you are just a big annoyance factor.

[Eric1738]

i never use it in infested mission. and i always tell my teammate frost dont use it, but it's hard for ppl to realize how bad it is until u get fvcked by it.

[LongDraw]

And your team mates do what? 4 people in a 10m² area against a dozen level 150 toxic ancients. Brilliant idea, can't wait to see that.

If only one toxic gets down near ~1,5m from the pod, the mission is over. Its a tedious way to deal with, so much flaws and downsides...

Nearly every other constellation of warframes can handle it faster, safer, with much better movement options. The fact alone that you

can't take out an enemy fast at distance is a 100% no-go.

 

Snow Globe will work until a certain level (if your team is right and well equipped it should be no problem to reach wave 25-30 at Xini)

but it's no way a tactic for real high level defense. And if a Vauban/Nyx is in your team there is no fckin reason to cast this S#&$ty globe.

For these teams, you are just a big annoyance factor.

Refer to comment below

 

i never use it in infested mission. and i always tell my teammate frost dont use it, but it's hard for ppl to realize how bad it is until u get fvcked by it.

That's why if I see a frost player using globe, I'll ask them to not use snow globe.  If they continue, I throw vortexes just outside their globe and laugh uncontrollably as the Frost figures out he is screwed in his own globe.

[Alohoe]

Correct me if I'm wrong, please, but I think that it's a terrible idea to use snowglobe on higher lvl infestation maps when toxic ancients get beefier because if they actually get inside the globe you can't take them down unless you go inside the globe, within the range of the poison. I'm not understanding why people do it. If there's some great thing about snowglobing poison ancients, please enlighten me. I'll humbly accept the truth if I'm wrong but it's &!$$ing me off lolol

i hate this soo much, but i don't have the heart to tell those poor frost out there that have super glued their finger to 3 not to do it. many a cryo has been lost to not being able to shoot thru it. actually de should just make it so friendly can shoot thru the damned thing and be done with it by thats just my 2 pennies.

[Stormandreas]

Snowglobe makes Vauban sad (it blocks bastille)

Snowglobe doesnt do this at all. Infact a combo of the two is hilarious, as they are floating in slow motion, then when they drop, their still slowed.

 

 

If you're running outside of the globed area around the pod killing stuff, then you're supposed to get in the globed area.

 

Unless the Frost is running around and globing at wrong places.

Yes, thank you.

 

The point is, if you're doing an infested defense map, don't use snow globe, EVER!!!  Infact, I would much rather a player playing Frost on infested defense map wait until I collect enemies in my bastille and then right when the enemies begin to run in when my bastille drops to use their avalanche ultimate.  That way, not only do they do massive damage to lots of enemies, but they also freeze the surviving infested giving me time to throw down another bastille.

This kinda makes sense and kinda doesnt. Avalanche only freezes the enemies for about 2 to 3 seconds at most, so you have to place another Bastille down within that time. The other enemies left standing immediatly start running for whatever their target was after avalanche's damage goes through.

 

O RLY?

 

I have Frost and I brought him to Xini. Within 5 seconds of the wave starting, he failed...

 

I have Vauban and I brought him to Xini. I completely Solo'd 5 waves...

 

 

So, I know you're saying that Frost is a S#&$ty compromise for Vauban, but you worded it like that. I am a Frost user who has Vauban.

I honestly wonder how the hell you failed at the start of wave 1. Frost is the 2nd tankiest frame, and unless you were standing doing nothing for about 2 minutes, or using the worst weapons you can with a brand new frost, its possible to get to wave 20 on solo.

 

That's why if I see a frost player using globe, I'll ask them to not use snow globe.  If they continue, I throw vortexes just outside their globe and laugh uncontrollably as the Frost figures out he is screwed in his own globe.

Thats an even more $&*^ish move than the Frost globing. It's the one major flaw Vauban has, and why I tend to hate players that have this compulsion to use it around where most of the other players are based.

 

Now everyone, I'm a frost user mostly, and Yes, i have come accross some people who are idiots who globe in random places, BUT, this does not make globing on infested maps useless. It comes in extreamly handy when a player is down with lots of stuff around him, as you can go in, globe, get them up and run away in enough time (due to the slowness). It also works well against chargers, and often Ancients if you bait them around their spawn points.

Having the largest globe possible on the pod is also good, as its a good size to shoot whatever you want in, and not die, but kill lots of stuff at the same time.

The only thing that Vauban has that frost doesn't is Bastille, which I agree is very usefull.

Vauban is NOT made to fight infested, as his abilities are electric based, and his armour is very weak, meaning its easy for chargers to overwhelm and destroy vauban.

I would say, stop complaining, because neither frost nor vauban are designed to fight infested. If you really want an Infested killer, you take Ember.

Edited August 4, 2013 by Stormandreas

[Cryp2Nite]

Snowglobe doesnt do this at all. Infact a combo of the two is hilarious, as they are floating in slow motion, then when they drop, their still slowed.

 

It doesn't "block" Bastille itself, it blocks the grenade Vauban throws. The grenade subjects to the same mechanisms that goes

for all projectiles, making it unable to get inside the Snow Globe, and just vanish. So, take a Vauban, throw a grenade from the

outside at a Snow Globe, and nothing will happen.

[Fleetwing]

----------everything that follows this line is opinion----------------------

This is one of the dumbest debates I've ever seen on these forums. And I participated in the scarf debate.

Yes, globe is bad when toxics come. It's also bad if its caster derps off to the far ends of the map and leaves the globe alone. You can also say it's bad across the board.

But it's not bad in every single situation. Before toxics arrive, it can be pretty damn useful. In a panicky situation, it can also be pretty useful--for example, if the rest of the team is off playing defense hero, a globe's slow + a ground slam can be the ten seconds between victory and defeat.

It's a situational skill. That means that it's good only in certain situations. Saying it's bad in some situations is stating the obvious.

Umbrellas are damn useful. But if you jump into a swimming pool with an umbrella, you're a moron.

/thread

/debate

[JDP04]

It doesn't "block" Bastille itself, it blocks the grenade Vauban throws. The grenade subjects to the same mechanisms that goes

for all projectiles, making it unable to get inside the Snow Globe, and just vanish. So, take a Vauban, throw a grenade from the

outside at a Snow Globe, and nothing will happen.

ahh.. so thats why. kinda confused with all the post sayin' globe blocking bastille.

why would anyone want to be outside the globe(far from the pod) anyway?

isn't this game have something like "exp range limit"?

[Cryp2Nite]

why would anyone want to be outside the globe(far from the pod) anyway?

isn't this game have something like "exp range limit"?

 

There are one hundred times more meaningful reasons to stand outside the Snow Globe than using the Snow Globe itself.

 

The affinity range is roughly ~45 meters from the enemy. At Xini you gain affinity for all kills except the ones at the left spawn,

behind the door passage (if you stand near the pod).

[Stormandreas]

It doesn't "block" Bastille itself, it blocks the grenade Vauban throws. The grenade subjects to the same mechanisms that goes

for all projectiles, making it unable to get inside the Snow Globe, and just vanish. So, take a Vauban, throw a grenade from the

outside at a Snow Globe, and nothing will happen.

That hasn't been my experience. The Bastille, tesla or whatever still started when I was playing with one of my mates. bugged perhaps?

[_Rue_]

Use snow globe at choke points AWAY from the pod. Use weapons with puncture to massacre them in it. and kill the survivors with what ever means you have at your disposal.

 

Using snow globe near or on the pod is weird.

 

It's like...

- casting Iron skin and standing on the pod during infested missions

- putting a decoy/moult near the pod or on the pod during infested missions

 

 

That hasn't been my experience. The Bastille, tesla or whatever still started when I was playing with one of my mates. bugged perhaps?

Throw the grenade at the globe. It'll stick to it and it won't activate. :3 Happens 100% of the time. You have to throw it from inside the globe going out, not the other way around.

[DAWGUNITALPHA]

- putting a decoy/moult near the pod or on the pod during infested missions

This is more annoying than snowglobe. Especially if they're jumping around leaving their molts in the air to suck up all your bullets and ogris shots with its super huge hitbox.

[Cryp2Nite]

That hasn't been my experience. The Bastille, tesla or whatever still started when I was playing with one of my mates. bugged perhaps?

 

Throw the grenade at the globe. It'll stick to it and it won't activate. :3 Happens 100% of the time. You have to throw it from inside the globe going out, not the other way around.

 

^^ This

[fatpig84]

Infested = Vauban.

Corpus + Grineer = Frost.

 

Just stay that way.

[Archsinner]

Using a frost in a infested def is ok, just need to know where and when to use it.

Using on the pod (in a infested Map) is stupid

Other need to run into the globe to make the kill, people using ogris/thunderbolt wouldn't want to be caught dead inside.

 

 

 

Using it before a choke point, can buy/regulate more time to kill mobs from other areas.

It also good to amass the mobs for a good aoe kill. (not sure if skill from outside, able to kill mobs inside)

[smithf]

I think the point is: any frame power has the ability to be useful, but there are harder cases where it relies on players with the skills.

And in some cases, some people overestimated the latter.

 

And a "static" strategy will never be good all the time. It depends on the rest of the team. E.g. say if a team lacks control and nukes, it can be effective for Frost to slow down incomings at choke points, so that the team has more time to clear the enemies. But if a team has Control and Nuke and are all waiting eagerly at the pod, the exact same action of slowing down the wave at chokepoint becomes a hindrance.

 

some opinions:

- Some Frost can use Snow Globe effectively even in an infested level.

- Some can't, but still used it. The only difference being: they know that they are not being efficient or not.

- Adapt to team as single strategy may not work well for all situations