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2 hours ago, [DE]Rebecca said:

This will not be a node-by-node breakdown as it may change too much between now and release

So I guess this means no release next week either? If you think it maybe will change too much that surly can't mean in a week since changing something liek that "much" seems not like a task you can do in a day or two.

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On 9/29/2017 at 1:10 PM, QuietBiro said:

I'm not sure about the stacking Zenurik aura. My fear is people asking specifically for 4 Zenurik users in certain missions, akin to how we used to run four Corrosive Projections, except this would be on a much more permanent level. Swapping Focus schools for most players is much bigger deal than swapping auras. I think the strongest Zenurik energy aura should take priority, ignoring and replacing all other Zenurik auras of other players. This will keep Zenurik as a very valuable Focus school, a must have in every squad, while also allowing the other 3 players to pick other Focus schools for greater variety. 

 

I concur. If they actually end up going down this route, Recruiting chat is going to worsen and it will be nye impossible to join any mission without conforming to Zenurik. Your idea of making the buff base itself off of the squad member with the highest node rank is much better.

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2 hours ago, [DE]Rebecca said:

Naramon:

 

We will go over an example of a new Naramon combat scenario:

Your Banshee is under heavy Corpus fire - a barrage of Supra projectiles are coming toward you. As a Naramon Tenno, you engage Transference and enter Operator Mode and Void Blast an enemy with a Disarming Blast. Your beam has a high chance to disarm all enemies unlucky enough to be caught in its path! You return to your Warframe and make quick work of the now weaponless enemies. 

:crylaugh: and if your beam doesn't disarm that tech, say goodbye. The smarter thing to do in this scenario is sonic boom the tech, then kill it while it's down. Instead of giving us a cheesy disarm that you refuse to make 100% effective because it's so OP, how about just make it JAM WEAPONS FOR A FEW SECONDS? That's guaranteed breathing room right there DE, and it's not OP that the enemies are now disarmed permanently.

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2 hours ago, [DE]Rebecca said:

Zenurik:

Focus 2.0 currently has a placeable party-wide energy buff in Zenurik that stacks with other Zenurik users - think of it like an area-of-effect energy restore consumable that Void Dashing can create. We will follow up in the Update notes about other areas of Energy gain.
 

We will go over an example of a new Zenurik combat scenario: Your Mesa is going to work, protecting your defense point from hordes of Grineer. Suddenly, your Frame runs out of energy! With no Energy Restores equipped you quickly switch to your Operator and Void Dash onto your objective.This creates a bubble where you land in which you and your teammates can charge up quickly to 'Make some Peace'.

Here's my combat scenario: My Mesa is going to work, protecting my defense point from hordes of Grineer. Suddenly, my Frame runs out of energy! With with Energy Restores equipped (because i'm not that braindead yet), i spam (you don't like anything spam related right?) 4 pads via hotkey in a split-second, almost filling entire energy bar (with P. Flow) instead of doing unnecessary long switches and actions (unless you actually made all operator animation less wonky and almost instant (hello client-side Transference), did you?).

Stick with any kind of sidegrades of current passive while keeping it a passive, seriously.

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Other stuff seems decent/alrightish.

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I like the "cost" aspect of those passives now, making it a risk to use it instead of just having it on all the time without any drawback. I hope the actual power of the regen has been reduced as well, or at least not given a super long duration.
I'm reminded of the Acolyte mods, which also require certain criteria to work for a limited duration, but unlike them the new Focus abilities don't have an objectively superior alternative in the form of normal mods that renders them unused.

Can't wait to see the numbers. Hoping for a good balance that doesn't allow for easy upkeep in any situation.

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2 hours ago, [DE]Rebecca said:

Residual: Channeling Efficiency: A Residual effect that grants you up to 50% more Channeling Efficiency on Melee.

Don't really think this will entice people to commit to channeling builds. If you add more gimmicks like a decent bonus chance of Energy Orb drop on channeling kill or free channeling attacks for 4 seconds, then maybe. But otherwise, melee channel is like voluntary parasitic eximus half the time

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Probably pointless and may belong in Feedback but whatever.

I'd think building the passives and residuals around the core theme/idea of each school would be obvious, so...

Madurai: Engage the Enemy = Attack speed, damage and status procs. Maybe mobility.

Naramon: Know the Enemy = Reveal weak points, give bonuses against fully scanned enemies. Stealth since it was there to begin with and fits.

Vazarin: Counter the Enemy = Damage deflection/reflection, health/shield regen, instant revives.

Unairu: Outlast the Enemy = Health, shields and armor buffs. Status resistance and/or reduction of negative status duration.

Zenurik: Dominate the Enemy = Buff power stats (strength, range, duration and efficiency). Energy regen.

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Just now, BornWithTeeth said:

All I can say is that I really, really hope that DE are in fact sitting on totally reworked Operator movement mechanics, and are looking at the thread thinking "Ok, maybe we should have opened with that."

Inb4 PoE comes out with postponed Focus rework.

In all seriousness though - with the hellish track record they have considering implementing new systems - wasn't it about time to consider feedback when the update cycle started, not when it is most likely a week or two away from release?

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About the Zenurik Void Dash energy bubble.

It's sounding like Energy Surge in our current Focus 1.0, where you and your allies have to stand inside the bubble to get energy per second.

Considering the complaints about this not adhering to Warframe's high mobility fast-paced gameplay design, perhaps consider changing it into "create a bubble that grants players an energy recharge buff, restoring X energy per second for Y seconds"? The coding can be similar to Octavia's Inspiration passive, but I'd expect the energy regen per second to be higher than 1 per second, especially with Focus investment into the Active ;)

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hmmm yep , we totaly need to change this game name.  to  WarKiddos or  Spacekids with Fancy suits.  i Realy don't like wher this great game is headed now.

Less on Warframe  and allot more Kiddos -_- 

I do not even want to comment on Focus changes,  It's just a mistake and ppl see this.

We just want to have fun and Play Warframe in Warframes no space kids.

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5 minutes ago, Hobzor said:

Probably pointless and may belong in Feedback but whatever.

I'd think building the passives and residuals around the core theme/idea of each school would be obvious, so...

Madurai: Engage the Enemy = Attack speed, damage and status procs. Maybe mobility.

Naramon: Know the Enemy = Reveal weak points, give bonuses against fully scanned enemies. Stealth since it was there to begin with and fits.

Vazarin: Counter the Enemy = Damage deflection/reflection, health/shield regen, instant revives.

Unairu: Outlast the Enemy = Health, shields and armor buffs. Status resistance and/or reduction of negative status duration.

Zenurik: Dominate the Enemy = Buff power stats (strength, range, duration and efficiency). Energy regen.

That actually reads like Game Design to an established theme. :thumbup:

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Rhino changes into operator to give saryn invulnerability then uses stomp...ok  if you truly believe the vast majority of players won't just use stomp then just revive the for sure bleeding saryn then don't read any more....

This focus 2.0 looks more like a remastered focus 1.0 with some more thought into the identities of each school but still ...i don't see any particular reason why to use the focus if it's not for the pasives and in a fast paced game what players want most of all is to be blocked for 1~2 seconds to get out of their frames either void dash or go stealth for x seconds to activate effect then go back to the frame to shoot/stab/etc the enemy...(insert the universal god here also just to stab the corpse a bit more) the word not worth comes to mind. 

Sincerely i don't see this changes as necessary nor useful (sure meta will change a bit coz you removed some hard used pasives but same would happen if you  put for example vacuum on the kawats that had a bit more range than sentinels) but if the goal was to empower the operators and not the frames... Don't fcking put pasives for frames and keep everything for operator  it's just contradictory to the intentions you guys said you had.

Tx for your time telling us about this changes but i sincerely hope this version of focus 2.0 gets the hammer before launch ...the 3rd one is the luky one .

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I'd kinda like to see a Operator Rank system (Kubrow and Kavats have one!) or tie something to Mastery Rank that gives the Operator unlockable skills that affect mobility among other things (after a general improvement to their mobility). Something like the flying skills of Age of Wushu.

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My only concern with all this is the possibility of having to use the operator on different missions, as oppose to having the option not to, because right now, for myself, the things the Operator is going to do seem redundant which other Warframes, more powerful and more well protected, can already do. If you can make my Operator with the same agility and survivability as my Warframe then sure why not. Right now all they do is Void dash(which Volt can go longer and faster), Void Blast (which any number of Warframes have in different forms) and Void mode(which Ivara, Loki and Limbo can do pretty much a whole mission). I do hope they are enhanced to a point of being practical to use instead of a Warframe if I choose to use them as oppose to having to shift back and forth because of getting one shotted by the new Grineer.

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1 hour ago, BornWithTeeth said:

Hey hey, you remember my point about the Vaykor Sydon, and how its passive is literally useless?

 

That kind of mechanical design just surfaced again.

 

 

Also, hey hey tnccs215, you know why the figure 8 makes me think of flowers? It's because it's two loops.

Priceless, freaking priceless. 

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Conceptually, having a system that takes advantage of bouncing between your frame and operator isn't a bad idea. The biggest problem there is that playing as the operator is a genuinely miserable experience. If the operator's gameplay was its own completely unrelated game I would still think it was awkward and clumsy, but having the fluid, relentless frame gameplay to contrast it with makes it feel so much worse. The operator needs to have mobility that can rival a frame - maybe not the exact same slides and jumps, but something that can allow an operator to move rapidly and freely. Ghostly flying? Tribes-y jetting and skiing? Something more practical than trying to spam void dash, at least.

One worrying thing about the changes, Zen in particular, is this theme of slowing or stopping the action in order to set up something with your operator. Having the Zen energy field move with you is one good example repeatedly given so far of how that in particular could be improved, but still, the examples given seem to be situations where the solution of "dive away while firing a gun" would be both faster and more effective. And this is, after all, a game where "faster and more effective" is practically the subtitle :)

I feel like Parkour 2.0 is the best example of a Warframe update that nailed it. DE took a clunky, unintuitive system and made it one of the strongest points of the game. I believe they can do the same thing here, and I really hope they can turn playing with the operator into something fun and unique! :D

 

Other smaller points:

-Energy regeneration should probably be looked at, in general. The Zen passive was a band-aid, and with that torn off I'd like to see a greater variety of ways for frames to regenerate - maybe different regen conditions for different frames?

-I love the idea that's been brought up here of your frame working like a specter when you're in operator mode! It would certainly give that mode more oomph :)

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