Frost Needs A Rework. That's The Conclusion I Have After Playing With Vauban.

[Kazhui]

EDIT

 

Since I was getting a lot of hate, and (even someone saying that his ult is more useful than snowglobe) I decided to record a video of Frost's mega powerful Avalanche. Against two pathetic lvl 35 Grineers. Check how powerful and useful it is:

 

 

                              http://youtu.be/CejGk2uy3M4

 

 

 

 

TL/DR: I'm just throwing ideas here. His Snowglobe is perfectly fine, but Avalanche needs to be rethought... less dmg, more cc/defense imo.

 

After playing with Vauban and seeing how every power he has is useful (even his grenades) , I can't stop thinking how Frost needs some rework. I mean, in higher lvls "press 3 to be useful, press 4 to be amused.".

 

I'd say nerf the damage dealt by Avalanche and make it more defensive-focused... (eg: freeze everyone around for 15 seconds, without them unfreezing after taking dmg, this it would make it a lot more usefull, and be in the same lvl as Vortex.)

 

or maybe Ice Wave should create an ice pit on the ground (like the iced floor we have in void missions) that greatly slows down enemies. Right now, is just a power that can kill a few low lvl enemies (30-) for the same cost as a snow globe.

Edited July 24, 2013 by Kazhui

[PsychedelicSnake]

Personally, I think Frost is pretty good as he is now.

[DizzyNanner]

They need to rework every frame before Vauban since they, Nova and Vauban, set the standard for future frames

Edited July 24, 2013 by DizzyNanner

[Bdembz]

Personally, I think Frost is pretty good as he is now.

 

It's not that he isnt good. I have to agree with the OP in the sense that he needs a bit of rework. He really has only 1 useful skilll that gets spammed in def and mob def. The problem is he's not very useful in other mission types (slow, lack of powerful offensive skills)

[Archistopheles]

Frost is fine. All his damage either slows or stuns. At higher levels it's utility, not super-nukes.

[Kazhui]

They need to rework every frame before Vauban since they Nova and Vauban set the standard for future frames

 

Yeah, but they reworked Rhino, Mag and Loki. I know that Rhino got a great buff with his Roar and Stomp. Which is good, makes them a middle term between Defensive and Offensive frame. I don't play Rhino, but that's what I heard... I maybe wrong.

 

Anyway, I personally think Avalanche is far from good. 1K dmg against lvl 60+ enemies is already joke. Nerf the dmg and make it more CC so it will match with Frost being defensive-focused, and it will be usefull in all lvls.

Edited July 23, 2013 by Kazhui

[Hybridon]

They need to rework every frame before Vauban since they Nova and Vauban set the standard for future frames

 

Id include Rhino after the rework on that "top tier" list.

[Kazhui]

Frost is fine. All his damage either slows or stuns. At higher levels it's utility, not super-nukes.

 

Can you read? I said "NERF the damage and make it more cc-focused".

 

I'm not asking for a super-nuke, I'm asking for a cc ability. 

Edited July 23, 2013 by Kazhui

[aTaVaX]

i only find one of vauban's skills useful. 

[WindHorse]

The globe is not just for Defense and Mobile Defense.  I find myself using it in doorways or choke points to slow down targets and also allow my team mates time to recover if they get KO'ed.  I also use it in open areas as just a way to mitigate incoming damage if I cannot readily get to an obstacle that puts me in effective weapon range of the targets.

 

Avalanche does freeze targets in place during the activation and that has been useful to slow down targets in a variety of ways.  Freeze is useful for stopping a single target.  I find that many do not use Ice Wave as often even though I kind of enjoy using it when targets pile through a choke point and I can just line up a wave that goes right through them.

 

A fun thing to allow would be to remove the limitation of having to be on the ground for Avalanche, but that would introduce Frost players floating in air during the activation animation.  I would enjoy a quicker activation there.

 

 

WindHorse

Quantum Entanglement

[Leno]

They need to rework every frame before Vauban since they Nova and Vauban set the standard for future frames

Except that nova is glitchy as hell, needs some QoL buffs, and only has 1 good skill, personally I think vauban is a frame that works great with all of his abilties.

[Kazhui]

i only find one of vauban's skills useful. 

 

Vortex + Ogris = win.

 

At least so far, I haven't played in higher lvls (wave 30+)...

[WindHorse]

Vortex + Ogris = win.

 

At least so far, I haven't played in higher lvls (wave 30+)...

A well placed Vortex is win!  If you can master placing your Vortext in such a way it works well with others, you are a winner in my book.  ;-)

[Kazhui]

The globe is not just for Defense and Mobile Defense.  I find myself using it in doorways or choke points to slow down targets and also allow my team mates time to recover if they get KO'ed.  I also use it in open areas as just a way to mitigate incoming damage if I cannot readily get to an obstacle that puts me in effective weapon range of the targets.

 

Avalanche does freeze targets in place during the activation and that has been useful to slow down targets in a variety of ways.  Freeze is useful for stopping a single target.  I find that many do not use Ice Wave as often even though I kind of enjoy using it when targets pile through a choke point and I can just line up a wave that goes right through them.

 

A fun thing to allow would be to remove the limitation of having to be on the ground for Avalanche, but that would introduce Frost players floating in air during the activation animation.  I would enjoy a quicker activation there.

 

 

WindHorse

Quantum Entanglement

 

I know globe is useful not only in defense missions... I said "Snowglobe is perfectly fine.".

Freeze is useful in certain specific few situations. That's why I didn't even mention it.

 

Ice Wave, is ok against low lvl enemies. Nothing powerful... but I've seen worst powers.

 

But Avalanche is my main concern, the dmg or cc is not good enough. I can't see how it's useful. It freezes them for like 2 seconds, and deals 1k dmg... that's meh, and that's why I'm asking to nerf the dmg and make it more cc-focused. And a quicker activation would mean less freeze time.... that's exactly what I'm against. 

Edited July 23, 2013 by Kazhui

[Genuinetheo]

 If you have to rely on snowglobe as a Frost to play in any mission, not just Defense, then you are playing him wrong. You are one of many who think Frost is all about snowglobe, defense or not. I've not played with a frost yet who hasn't prioritized snowglobe over any other skill that he has. I can understand the need for it in Void levels, such as Tier III Defense, but your lack of, without a better word, skill with Frost does not make him a weak character by any stretch. 

 

I play Rhino all of the time, and he doesn't need any changes at this point either. The only time you really feel underpowered as Rhino is if you're gullible enough not to use the skills which are given to you. A maxed out Roar lasts 15 seconds for 50% universally boosted damage; Iron Skin will shrug off 1200 damage. Rhino Stomp is a free Baustille or Avalanche itself (even though Baustille doesn't do damage to enemies). It's all about how you're playing your character, not how everyone else is.

[LongDraw]

 If you have to rely on snowglobe as a Frost to play in any mission, not just Defense, then you are playing him wrong. You are one of many who think Frost is all about snowglobe, defense or not. I've not played with a frost yet who hasn't prioritized snowglobe over any other skill that he has. I can understand the need for it in Void levels, such as Tier III Defense, but your lack of, without a better word, skill with Frost does not make him a weak character by any stretch. 

 

I play Rhino all of the time, and he doesn't need any changes at this point either. The only time you really feel underpowered as Rhino is if you're gullible enough not to use the skills which are given to you. A maxed out Roar lasts 15 seconds for 50% universally boosted damage; Iron Skin will shrug off 1200 damage. Rhino Stomp is a free Baustille or Avalanche itself (even though Baustille doesn't do damage to enemies). It's all about how you're playing your character, not how everyone else is.

I've already max ranked my Frost and I can say that I find Avalanche to be far more useful than Snow Globe.  Course, I also don't play like a noob.

[RebornsAlmark]

His Snowglobe is a superb skill however, that's pretty much all he's good for. I use Avalanche due to the few second stun it applies and the decent damage it does to non-armor heavy enemies (but just mainly for the stun). His only skills that need major rework is his Freeze and Ice Wave, both needing buffs and/or reworks.

[Kazhui]

 If you have to rely on snowglobe as a Frost to play in any mission

 

No, I don't. I rely on my Vandaltron. the globe in most mission is protect objectives, revive allies or when we're surrounded. Everything else I one shot. 

 

I've not played with a frost yet who hasn't prioritized snowglobe over any other skill that he has. 

 

I wonder why...

[kippen.power]

i Agree some of his skills need a rework or buff because the only skill i use is snowglobe and sometimes avalanche just for the 3 second stun/freeze

[Kazhui]

I've already max ranked my Frost and I can say that I find Avalanche to be far more useful than Snow Globe.  Course, I also don't play like a noob.

 

Not against high lvl enemies. The avalanche usefulness heavily depends on the lvl of your enemies and playstyle. 

 

I'm trying to make it more useful for everyone in all lvls. 

[nanogenesis]

You know its low level when ice wave actually kills.

 

I agree frost needs a rework. The new frames are proving far more useful than the old ones. Its actually shameful when all you do in t3 is just spam a globe.

 

'Freeze' should have a slighly higher duration, even on bosses. and should completely freeze the target and make it vulnerable to fire dmg for instant shattering, like 300% to satisfy the scientists.

 

'Ice Wave' should freeze the ground making travelling faster,and slowing enemies making them fall. Either that or this skill needs to be reworked.

 

'Avalanche' used to be very useful with mods 1.0. you could stack continuities and keep enemies frozen for 9-15 seconds. Thats clearly not possible right now.

[Fate_6]

They need to rework every frame before Vauban since they Nova and Vauban set the standard for future frames

Pretty much this.

 

To an extent, Nyx, Banshee, and Rhino are ok because they have utility in a few abilities. However, it's pretty sad to see frames like Saryn that are so fun at lower levels but super useless at higher ones. Saryn and Rhino are also the only frames other than Nova and Vauban that have more than a couple useful abilities.

 

Still, the point remains that we need more late-game scaling frames which have more than a couple viable abilities. Frost only has Globe (which is vital to T3 Defense, don't get me wrong), Nyx pretty much just has Chaos (again pretty useful, but Bastille accomplishes almost the same thing). Vauban has Bastille and Vortex, but they basically do the same thing in end-game scenarios.

[Kazhui]

i Agree some of his skills need a rework or buff because the only skill i use is snowglobe and sometimes avalanche just for the 3 second stun/freeze

 

That's what I'm talking about. It's useful right now because it blinds, staggers and freezes. Too bad, you can't attack while casting it. The double dmg against shields is also ok.

 

But what I'm trying to do is make it more cc-focused (more useful against higher lvl enemies), dealing less dmg in the process to balance things out.

[VinceBlood]

How are people calling Ice Wave a low damage power?  I can wipe out a line of level 60+ Corrupted/Corpus with my Ice Wave.  It hits like a train.

 

Please don't nerf Frost's damage.  Freeze is already weak as kleenex, Ice Wave is wonderful, Snow Globe is situational and not an offensive power and Avalanche drops off sharply as a damage power in the later levels.

[Judgebanks]

How are people calling Ice Wave a low damage power?  I can wipe out a line of level 60+ Corrupted/Corpus with my Ice Wave.  It hits like a train.

 

Please don't nerf Frost's damage.  Freeze is already weak as kleenex, Ice Wave is wonderful, Snow Globe is situational and not an offensive power and Avalanche drops off sharply as a damage power in the later levels.

Doesn't slash dash also do this for cheaper?