Please Make All Ultimate Abilities Ignore Armor Ie Banshee And Mag

[Rinz13r]

as the title suggests all ultimates example banshee's sound quake and mag's crush should ignore armor otherwise the dmg and thus the use of them become trivial in the late game this simple change will bring those warframes in line with everyone else strength wise and is a very simple balance change.

[pdxdubin]

as the title suggests all ultimates example banshee's sound quake and mag's crush should ignore armor otherwise the dmg and thus the use of them become trivial in the late game this simple change will bring those warframes in line with everyone else strength wise and is a very simple balance change.

yes

[pdxdubin]

as the title suggests all ultimates example banshee's sound quake and mag's crush should ignore armor otherwise the dmg and thus the use of them become trivial in the late game this simple change will bring those warframes in line with everyone else strength wise and is a very simple balance change.

yes

[pdxdubin]

as the title suggests all ultimates example banshee's sound quake and mag's crush should ignore armor otherwise the dmg and thus the use of them become trivial in the late game this simple change will bring those warframes in line with everyone else strength wise and is a very simple balance change.

yes

[DeathByTeaCup]

ummmm hummm so ur saying to buff everyone else.. besides well mag... the worst frame still? ummm no no no! ^^^

[Punchedface]

I'm not sure about armor ignore, but they definitely need some bonus effect.

Crush should crush and obliterate most limbs of any survivor, causing them to limp, crawl, have decreased accuracy, or unable to hold their guns.

Sound quake should allow the enemies to receive additional headshot/crit damage (let's pretend the vibrations resonate at the correct frequency to weaken existing crit spots)

[S3raph]

ummmm hummm so ur saying to buff everyone else.. besides well mag... the worst frame still? ummm no no no! ^^^

 

How is making the ulti ignore armor not a buff????

[Tatersail]

you would have to reduce the damage to 600 to balance these.

otherwise nobody would play Saryn

 

And, what about Frost?

he has the "worst" ulti, Smaller range than the other 2, and same 1000 damage.

he gets left out because.....  He has Snow globe?

What about Volt?

What about Ember?

Edited July 24, 2013 by Tatersail

[PaperAlien]

How about just fix armour scaling? That causes about 50 different problems.

[Tselkie]

you would have to reduce the damage to 600 to balance these.

otherwise nobody would play Saryn

 

And, what about Frost?

he has the "worst" ulti, Smaller range than the other 2, and same 1000 damage.

he gets left out because.....  He has Snow globe?

What about Volt?

What about Ember?

Re-read what he said, he said (quite clearly) that -all- ultimates should be buffed to ignore armour, which is fair dos, Banshee's at high level is basically just an AOE stun against grineer, which will more often than not lead to you being killed as soon as they recover (in time with your own recovery) or worse still, getting killed by another mob that just walked the corner.

 

nothing in there about not applying this to Frost, or to Volt, or to Ember?

[Toom1275]

For Banshee at least, it's sorta odd how her sonic boom, which is a forceful burst or pressure, is armor-piercing while sound quake, which uses ultrasonic frequency to forcefully shake the room and everything in it, is not. Sonic boom, while strong enough to throw enemies, could have most the force break against good armor. Quake, though, would shake flesh like jelly inside of an armor-jar.

[CeePee]

you would have to reduce the damage to 600 to balance these.

otherwise nobody would play Saryn

 

And, what about Frost?

he has the "worst" ulti, Smaller range than the other 2, and same 1000 damage.

he gets left out because.....  He has Snow globe?

What about Volt?

What about Ember?

 

 

Saryn deals more than mag 1000 damage, and stuns enemies.

[Rinz13r]

Saryn deals more than mag 1000 damage, and stuns enemies.

^^^this! also people would still play saryn fwiw i also think ember and volt should be more effective against the other two races they don't dominate

Edited July 24, 2013 by Rinz13r

[IronRushBR]

I like Banshee. But yesterday I tried a high level mission versus Grineer with her.

OMG, her ult is weak, very weak. And she is a very squishy frame. On high level play, she is weak.

 

Enemy armor is the problem. They need fix it. Scale better.

[xBrend]

Erm what would you do with loki then? and trinity?

[Cpl_Facehugger]

Erm what would you do with loki then? and trinity?

With Loki's ult, the damage is secondary to the fact that all those heavy gunners/napalm troops are now carrying easily avoided electric prods.

With Trinity, her ult doesn't do damage at all. It heals the team and gives them invincibility for a short period.

I don't think they need anything. Neither of them are going to be dealing much damage with powers, because that isn't their role.

[Dasmir]

Erm what would you do with loki then? and trinity?

 

Trinity is trinity and loki needs tweaks.

[IronRushBR]

With Loki's ult, the damage is secondary to the fact that all those heavy gunners/napalm troops are now carrying easily avoided electric prods.

With Trinity, her ult doesn't do damage at all. It heals the team and gives them invincibility for a short period.

I don't think they need anything. Neither of them are going to be dealing much damage with powers, because that isn't their role.

 

Well said CPL.

Banshee has a very good skill to crowd control, but on high level missions, the damage is enough, not near. And besides that she is very very squishy. They need fix sound quake. One idea is deal a long stun to enemies after cos exposition to the sound waves. Maybe ignore armor too. I dont know, but we needa light here.

Mag's crush need help also on high level missions.

 

Trinity and Loki are good on their niches.

[Fenrok]

Until this kind of change is made, there is no reason to play mag. I love the new pull, but it's the only good ability she has. I might add that even though it's her only good ability even it is a detriment to use sometimes when there are toxic ancients around. When they did the balance pass for mag, armor ignore on crush should have been a priority change. Perhaps they were afraid of going overboard with the tweaks, but they were WAY too conservative with her buffs.

[LasersGoPewPew]

give all frame abilities armor ignore, then they can maintain some level of efficiency at late game.

[Archwizard]

At LEAST give Mag this kind of ability, if nobody else. I mean let's face it, Crush forces an enemy's armor in on itself with them inside, it should hurt MORE on armored targets, not less. Her CC with Crush is pretty limited given it doesn't affect anyone who enters after/while she's casting it, so they could at least do this much for her.

[Arunasoul]

At LEAST give Mag this kind of ability, if nobody else. I mean let's face it, Crush forces an enemy's armor in on itself with them inside, it should hurt MORE on armored targets, not less. Her CC with Crush is pretty limited given it doesn't affect anyone who enters after/while she's casting it, so they could at least do this much for her.

That. I've been thinking that all along. Armor helps you resist magnetic forces? No, it's affected MORE by them because it's LIKELY made of metal. From what I understand of material properties, space armor could be partially ceramic in nature, which wouldn't really be affected by magnetic forces, but is unlikely to be completely ceramic because the whole thing would shatter from a significant force busting through it.

 

For the time being I'd suggest multiple 'waves' of magnetic forces that crush enemies. The 'waves' could be taken from the mechanic already existent in the Banshee's 4, as it has waves. This would allow the affect to hit enemies that enter the radius after initial affect.

 

Though, there is something that I must also question at the same time, since we're bringing strangely magnetic resistant likely metallic armor in as a reason the mag should, technically, be doing more damage to armored enemies. Why does the 4 even do much of anything to infested? I think the Technocyte plague was living metal or something of the like, in which case I could understand it, but as far as I can tell, they have very limited amounts of metal on/in them, so being able to not only lift, but crush them, makes me question how it's possible.

 

Mag's magical rock lifting/throwing abilities could be pwning vast groups of infested, but I think a visual tweak would need to take place for that to make sense. It just... doesn't make sense to me. It's like saying gravity reverses itself because a child placed it's cup on the roof instead of the floor. The only thing that makes it look true is the fact the cup is on the roof, and even then, only if you disregard the child's hand holding it to the roof.

[rangeless]

i think all warframes with damaged related ultimates that do NOT follow an element such as electric, fire, ice, or poison should b armor ignore...that's just me though

[Frostmire]

Give every ulti armor ignore , and i'll just pick the frame that has the strongest damaging ultimate .

[Tatersail]

Give every ulti armor ignore , and i'll just pick the frame that has the strongest damaging ultimate .

 

or the one with the most range, almost twice the range of every other frames Ulti...  and additional CC

oh.. yea Rhino, 22m 9 second stun, most damaging ulti after Saryn and thats not considering Roar.

 

its all fine and balanced tho because while he has the most damaging AOE 1, the best Ulti and the second best group Utility..... his Iron skin can be removed by 5 level 150 mobs beating on him for 30 seconds.