Shouldn't The Default Frames Already Be Prime..?

[KuroNekoXlll]

just a quick thought/ questioning the lore abit

primed stuff is pretty much things that are of orokin design or something like that made with some high tech mumbojumbo techniques and majority of weapons we are using now are copies because we don't know how to perfectly recreate prokin made stuff without the blue print

but the war frame you start out with isn't some immitation, cuz as far as I know you have been wearing that frame and sleeping in a cryopod since the late orokin era, therefore should t the frame you are wearing be prime since it was most likely made by orokins(not some immitation)

Edited July 25, 2013 by FadingFaith

[ChaiNZ]

Good thought. I can dig starting with an excalibur prime :)

[Shienpoh]

you cannot know that. Nobody knows how, when and why the tenno went to sleep, so it also could be way after the orokin disappeared, so that even back then the tenno built the warframes themselves.

[Arlayn]

Because the warframes we have are copies of the prime.

 

There is the prototype model

 

The Prime Model

 

Then the copies made later on possibly due to lack of resources the less cool in appearance, and cheaper to build low grade warframes.

 

Could be possible near the end of the time the Tenno were awake Prime Warframes were too expensive to build and thus started building the copies that were cheaper in design compared to the orokin Cell hungry Primes.

[DAWGUNITALPHA]

From what it seemed to me to be implied in dark sector, the protoframe was basically grown through controlled strains of the technocyte plague and I guess cybernetically enhanced to allow humans to interface with it. Which I guess makes sense when you consider plastids (flesh of the infested, basically) and various neural sensors and whatnot are used in the making of a frame in Warframe.

 

Warframe takes place a long time after Darksector, humans have been making frames for a while and evidently copying orokin designs all the while. They didn't have the same level of tech so they did what they could with what they had.

[Shion963]

Interesting catch, OP!

 

Maybe nearing the end of the Old War, the places that manufactured 'original' 'frames were destroyed. So the remaining Tenno had to make do with whatever materials and parts that they can scavenge? A war that totally destroyed the Orokin society by the time it ended surely would also affect its infrastructures, right?

[Arlayn]

I still think Prime Models should be stronger... UNLESS the Prime Blueprints are not what we think. As in we don't see what the Tenno sees on that blueprint.

 

For example what if the Tenno sees there are resources that no longer exists and has to do an extreme substitute or something? Meaning it only looks like a Prime, but is still not a true prime. Since if the Primes were originals, and our copies are made from other junk... Shouldn't ours be weaker then a prime?

[DAWGUNITALPHA]

There's no real logic behind the original, older, model being stronger.

[RagDollRat]

Prime is a frame upgraded using orokin tech from towers under lockdown of a spycho AI,not a normal frame hence why their is reg excalibur and excalibur prime

 

if ALL frames were prime why would their be 2 diff kinds

[Shion963]

There's no real logic behind the original, older, model being stronger.

 

This. They are merely more efficient, as shown by the extra polarity slot.

[Electriq]

There's no real logic behind the original, older, model being stronger.

Agreed, as far as I am concerned old models should be weaker and more like prototype, while the ones we are using are 100% tested and more reliable

[Shion963]

Agreed, as far as I am concerned old models should be weaker and more like prototype, while the ones we are using are 100% tested and more reliable

 

Contemporary Warframes are in no way 'better' than the Primes. If anything it should be weaker due to being made from scrap data.

[Lumireaver]

 

There's no real logic behind the original, older, model being stronger.

 

Agreed, as far as I am concerned old models should be weaker and more like prototype, while the ones we are using are 100% tested and more reliable

 

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SuperPrototype'>Actually yes.

 

Anyway, I don't think we're the tutorial Tenno, guys. That was just a lore drop.

[DAWGUNITALPHA]

 

Actually yes.

 

Anyway, I don't think we're the tutorial Tenno, guys. That was just a lore drop.

Tvtropes isn't logic. It's just a collection of things that have happened in animes and videogames. Gundam loves to use the prototype thing a lot too, and it's dumb in gundam too.

[Lumireaver]

Tvtropes isn't logic. It's just a collection of things that have happened in animes and videogames. Gundam loves to use the prototype thing a lot too, and it's dumb in gundam too.

 

I don't know, the Orokin super prototypes were developed by a highly advanced race, and the mass produced models are made out of scraps. Lots of logical justification right there.

[DAWGUNITALPHA]

I don't know, the Orokin super prototypes were developed by a highly advanced race, and the mass produced models are made out of scraps. Lots of logical justification right there.

Except that they're not robots. They're at least partially organic (in as far as the technocyte virus can be considered organic) and to call them "super prototypes" is a laugh since they were the same frames just more streamlined and blinged out. You say "scraps" but that's not true in the least at worst they use salvage which likely doesn't mean they're just bolting them together. "High value metals collected from war salvage." Which could be used for any number of things once properly smelted down or whatever future tech can do.

[Hollowatcher]

I don't know, the Orokin super prototypes were developed by a highly advanced race, and the mass produced models are made out of scraps. Lots of logical justification right there.

This is my reasoning as well, the primes were made by the Orokin directly, a super intelligent race facing a very real threat to their civilization. They would have put every ressourced into the prime, the pinnacle of their war effort.

Tenno building warframes themselves would be akin to, though not as drastic lacking proper analogue, apes building a vehicle.

[Laecerelius]

Are the Prime warframes prototypes?  I don't remember anything mentioning that.  I think of it more like the Prime gear is stuff that's fresh from the factory and made the way it should out of the quality and types of materials it's supposed to.  On the other hand the regular stuff is cobbled together out of what they have more readily on hand, sort of like a gun that's held together using duct tape and paper clips.  It'll work, but it won't be as good as the real thing.  Remember, this isn't the real world, this is a Warhammer 40k world where most of our technological knowledge has been lost and we're now sifting through the remains trying to figure out how it all works.  Technology took a huge step backwards and we're slowly crawling our way back to where we last were.

[DAWGUNITALPHA]

Tenno building warframes themselves would be akin to, though not as drastic lacking proper analogue, apes building a vehicle.

Except it's nothing like that at all, because even back in the "modern age" when dark sector takes place, they'd been shown to have a somewhat reasonable grasp on making them. Having managed to make two at that point in time. The proto-frame and the nemesis. Tech and understanding could only have gotten better since then, considering warframe takes place extremely far in the future.

[Arlayn]

Well I never said the primes were prototypes.. I said Hayden's Warframe was a prototype... Then again the warframe doesn't do anything except protect the user, its the user themselves who use the power as noted by Hayden using his powers even before obtaining the armor.

 

If anything all the armor does is help interface their powers better. So I think the Prime warframes being so advanced and having great polarity from the start is Orokin ingenuity designing a Warframe that works better with their abilities, then Tenno made Warframes. That's all.

[Lumireaver]

Except that they're not robots. They're at least partially organic (in as far as the technocyte virus can be considered organic) and to call them "super prototypes" is a laugh since they were the same frames just more streamlined and blinged out. You say "scraps" but that's not true in the least at worst they use salvage which likely doesn't mean they're just bolting them together. "High value metals collected from war salvage." Which could be used for any number of things once properly smelted down or whatever future tech can do.

 

I don't understand why you believe organic technology is different from less- organic technology. If the Orokin had super special way of engineering the Technocyte (which they have demonstrated with their creation of the J3 golem), then their Technocyte tech is probably going to be better than the amnesiac Tenno. Good point about the salvage thing though.

 

Except it's nothing like that at all, because even back in the "modern age" when dark sector takes place, they'd been shown to have a somewhat reasonable grasp on making them. Having managed to make two at that point in time. The proto-frame and the nemesis. Tech and understanding could only have gotten better since then, considering warframe takes place extremely far in the future.

 

1) Dark Sector may not be an actual predecessor in the traditional sense. (Steve said something along the lines of "Warframe takes place after Dark Sector and explores the ramifications of [Warframe] technology." The phrasing leaves a little room for confusion, but anyway...

2) Knowledge can disappear over the course of eons if it's kept secret. (Only to resurface eons later.)

3) Dark Sector's apparent rapid "understanding" of Technocyte could have been a series of lucky accidents, penicillin style, and not the result of actual knowledge or insight.

 

 

Are the Prime warframes prototypes? - loving snip -

 

They're not explicitly prototypes, per se, however the are of Orokin design, and since the Orokin aren't around anymore, it can be inferred that they were made first. Kind of like prototypes. It's also entirely possible that the Orokin took our miserable existing technology and supercharged it afterwards.

 

Honestly we don't even know if the Orokin are human. (Though I've been thinking of them as Space Atlanteans. Part of touched-by-aliens advanced civilization which suddenly vanished.)

[Kazris]

MY QUEENS -

You were right, the Tenno threat is real. We found one drifting near Pluto but the Lotus knew we were coming. She purged the Cryo moments before we had them and sent a squad of Tenno to break our assault. They escaped. We are working on tracing them. Separate this Tenno from the flock and it should be easy to kill. We shattered its Warframe and expect such an abrupt Cryo purge will have damaged its memories. We anxiously await punishment for failing this task.

- VOR

 

Vor broke the warframe you're using in the tutorial this is why you get to pick one at the end. Does this mean the Cal you use in the tutorial should be a prime? Probably. Do I want DE wasting time fixing this minor oversight? No.

[Arlayn]

MY QUEENS -

You were right, the Tenno threat is real. We found one drifting near Pluto but the Lotus knew we were coming. She purged the Cryo moments before we had them and sent a squad of Tenno to break our assault. They escaped. We are working on tracing them. Separate this Tenno from the flock and it should be easy to kill. We shattered its Warframe and expect such an abrupt Cryo purge will have damaged its memories. We anxiously await punishment for failing this task.

- VOR

 

Vor broke the warframe you're using in the tutorial this is why you get to pick one at the end. Does this mean the Cal you use in the tutorial should be a prime? Probably. Do I want DE wasting time fixing this minor oversight? No.

There is a possibility three warframes were awakened at the same time... Maybe that several groups of Tenno went out to rescue three Tenno and brought them back, meaning you could play as one of the three tenno rescued... The Warframe broken seems repairable since you could still play as Excalibur. Also if breaking a warframe means playing a new warframe wouldn't this mean we lose the warframe permanently till we make a new one?

 

So I don't think Warframes break for good, they just need to be brought back to be repaired is all.

[Kazris]

You awaken in the tutorial in an Excalibur. Vor claims to have shattered said Excalibur. What makes more sense your tenno buddies that rescued you offering you a new warframe because yours is broken? Or off screen handwaving so you were always really a Loki?

[Fraolinch]

Nice try OP, but no.
No free Prime frames for you.