123Olympian Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) Why? Too lazy to make a full paragraph that people will just be critics of so here is the main reasons. Null Star- -It's so weak it tickles the Grineer and makes smiles on those wrinklt faces. Antimatter Drop- -To situational, meaning, good for long range as it's worthless for the oh crap moments. -You get to be a target while busy shooting it. Wormhole- -Good, so much swag. -Wonderful trolling. MP- Oh boy this one. -omgsoopwhycantmywfdodisomgdudwtbuttomgwhysooptakingallmykillswahwahwahomgstealingkillsomgcodruleslelelelelomgmykdr -No seriously, this with wormhole and some of antimatter drop is what makes Nova worth to use. -Can be killed easy during this, along with Rhino Stomp but that is a diffrent story. -This is similar to Rhino Stomp, but kills people at the T3 defence instead of making them fly. -Overall- Nova is the glass cannon of warframes. She has great power, although to balence such power she has the crap stats, dispite some like sprint speed. For some people who don't go so "hardcore" she can solo as good as her Null Star on a T3 defence. -Further Notes- -Stop complaining about how OP she is, she is helping you more than anything else. I'd go on, although I don't need to keep this up as most of you are just going to spam MP and all that good stuff. -Rhino and Nova players, the transition is depressing. Edited July 25, 2013 by 123Olympian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destro6677 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Agreed there should be less complaints about how OP Nova is. Other frames could do with broken powers as well. After all, the devs have stated the approach to this game is 'buff x, not nerf y'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksithis002 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) +1 i haven't used her as i haven't gotten any drops from the boss yet, but from what i've seen she isn't that op. hell, from my time playing with vauban i know he isn't op either. ppl just like to complain about the ksing, even tho we all get exp at the end, and this is coop for a reason. Edited July 25, 2013 by darksithis002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayden11121 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) She isn't OP at all. /sarcasm Her 25 energy ability just does 200 armor ignoring damage, with continuity makes it up to 9 orbs. She can use Nyx's Absorb and control it's direction, for 50 energy. She can teleport across map without use of a decoy or a target for 75. And she can mass slow and mass kill with 100 energy. I, for one, find her overpowered. If she isn't OP, then we need to buff Ember, Mag, and Volt. Even if they just got a buff, no one is going to use these if Nova is an option. Edited July 25, 2013 by Hayden11121 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayden11121 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 'buff x, not nerf y'. That is one reason why this game is insanely easy. Nerfs need to take place or gameplay needs to be drastically changed. Although their drastic change was higher scaling, instead of AI rework. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalsePride Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 im pretty sure the people who call her OP dont run waves higher than 15 on defense missions like xini or outer terminous with her anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayden11121 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 im pretty sure the people who call her OP dont run waves higher than 15 on defense missions like xini or outer terminous with her anyways. I call her OP, and I have run T3 defense with her. Not only is her DPS a good one, it is a mass slow. That easily outclasses Volt, Ember, Mag, Saryn, Banshee, and Ash all in one swift swoop. Mixed with the fact her second ability is Nyx's ult, in a controllable ball, that means she just about outclasses each class with her ult. Mixed with Wormhole beating Switch Teleport and Teleport, that beats the utility section of movement. Mixed with Null Void beating Slash and Dash, that beats the "Spam 1" use that Excalibur had. The only thing she doesn't excel at is living, but why does she need to when everything is dead or too slow to attack her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatantfool Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 im pretty sure the people who call her OP dont run waves higher than 15 on defense missions like xini or outer terminous with her anyways. Quoted for truth. You know what this kind of OP talk reminds me of? League of Legends. I remember a time back when I was just starting out - people would RAGE and SWEAR that the champion Tryndamere was the most OP thing ever. All these players would get so mad they'd be set on ragequitting. "OMG OP TRYN" in the chat and then BAM Disconnect. Then you stop playing bot games - get into actually learning what you are doing - and you realize that it wasn't half as bad as these people wanted to make it sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-HAKUNA-YOUR-TATAS- Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) ... Antimatter Drop- -To situational, meaning, good for long range as it's worthless for the oh crap moments. -You get to be a target while busy shooting it. ... When you get cornered/surrounded by enemies shoot it at the floor bro... It's cheaper (energy wise) than molecular prime. I think the whole nova molecular prime thing has more to do with all those numbers being lit up in bloom. Rhino's stomp has just as many numbers and further away on the map too, but it's transparent and you don't have to shoot to trigger the kills. Edited July 25, 2013 by sushidubya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MangoMonkey Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) I love how people claim she's the "glass cannon" of Warframe. She has the base speed (second-highest in the game for escaping and drive-by nuking) and armor-rating of Loki (50 armor to the 10 of Mag, Volt, Vauban, Ember etc...). The only thing she loses out on is 25 base shield capacity (for reference, Loki also loses 25 health for his speed), for which she also gains 150 power?She's not a glass cannon, in the slightest. Her defensive stats and maneuverability outrank the other casters by a considerable amount, paired with the strongest damage powers in the game AND a boosted base energy/. Don't stand there and tell me she's a "glass cannon" that's completely balanced, because that's not simply an opinion, it's one that the hard facts and numbers don't reinforce at all. Edited July 25, 2013 by MangoMonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destro6677 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 That is one reason why this game is insanely easy. Nerfs need to take place or gameplay needs to be drastically changed. Although their drastic change was higher scaling, instead of AI rework. I'm only quoting what I read. Imo, if every frame has one broken power that allows it to do its job well, that's good enough. For example, snowglobe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthBi4ch Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 the only thing that really helps on high wave defense is that double dmg bonus and the 50% slowing effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatantfool Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 I'm only quoting what I read. Imo, if every frame has one broken power that allows it to do its job well, that's good enough. For example, snowglobe. Another example? Bastille. 75 Energy to Hard stun every enemy in a massive radius for roughly 30 seconds? But we love Vauban for that. Makes him credit to team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus_Rex Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Kinda realized now that she isn't op. MPrime becomes more of a utility when you deal with lvl 100+ waves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookerDuwitt Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) OP? I would think only the early to mid game she is considered 'OP'. Late game waves on anything lvl 100+ makes her MP seem kinda meh at times. But her Anit Drop takes actual skill to use effectively, and is honestly best used to do the heavy damage on higher lvl mobs vs her MP, imo anyways. And as for Null being weak, my Null hits min 750 and sometimes around 1500 each orb. Weak? pfft nah just learn to be more effective with your mods and move around more to not worry so much about being a 'glass cannon'. Anyhoo, I am sure there are ppl that would disagree ;P Edited July 25, 2013 by BookerDuwitt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus_Rex Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 I would think only the early to mid game she is considered 'OP'. Precisely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexCaliber Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 DE already addressed this in their multiple Q&A, developing Warframe is an iterative process, the difficulty levels have increased dramatically since first introduced to the public, and they have also said older frames are being reassessed in light of difficulty changes. Why is it so hard for the community’s morons to understand that Nova being the latest frame would be better balanced for current content? This community is going the way of most f2p games communities; filled with whiny halfwits who don't know their arse from their elbow, and too stupid to see beyond the end of their nose. The game is in constant development; things can and will change as that process continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuke Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 the only thing that really helps on high wave defense is that double dmg bonus and the 50% slowing effect Exactly. While helpful, it's not nearly as good as Sonar. The ability to clear low level waves isn't a great criteria to judge a frame to be OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--Sokol Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 I had a Nova in my team (we reached wave 60 on Xini) and she helps a lot due to a fact her ulti gives 2x dmg bonus. That and Saryn's venom/miasma= insta win So no, she isn't OP or weak, she is balanced. imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MangoMonkey Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 DE already addressed this in their multiple Q&A, developing Warframe is an iterative process, the difficulty levels have increased dramatically since first introduced to the public, and they have also said older frames are being reassessed in light of difficulty changes. Why is it so hard for the community’s morons to understand that Nova being the latest frame would be better balanced for current content? This community is going the way of most f2p games communities; filled with whiny halfwits who don't know their arse from their elbow, and too stupid to see beyond the end of their nose. The game is in constant development; things can and will change as that process continues. Hey, you're right! Things can and will change, which is presumably why people are coming onto the beta feedback forums and, y'know giving their feedback to invoke that change? A shocking idea, I know, but I'm certain that even someone so keenly intellectual as yourself can see the natural wisdom in that, if all those "halfwits" running around can... The difficulty changes were put in place to combat the perceived ease of the game. They then brought Nova in to, as far as I can see, single-handedly undermine that difficulty increase. Defeating the entire point. If you raise all the frames to her level, you might as well have never raised the difficulty at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123Olympian Posted July 25, 2013 Author Share Posted July 25, 2013 She isn't OP at all. /sarcasm Her 25 energy ability just does 200 armor ignoring damage, with continuity makes it up to 9 orbs. She can use Nyx's Absorb and control it's direction, for 50 energy. She can teleport across map without use of a decoy or a target for 75. And she can mass slow and mass kill with 100 energy. I, for one, find her overpowered. If she isn't OP, then we need to buff Ember, Mag, and Volt. Even if they just got a buff, no one is going to use these if Nova is an option. No one will use Nova if they nerf her. -200 is a tickle for higher end missions. -You can't rely for a Nyx the be in every server and use that ability when you want always. -Sometimes they don't work, someone "steals it", it disappears, you don't always have 75 energy to pull out whenever you feel. -People will use Nova mainly for that ability. Note that is what makes her unique. Just like Frost's snowglobe, Rhino's Rhino Stomp, Vauban's whatever, and more. Take those/nerfing them will only make them less unique and useful. Imagine a world without Frost's snowglobe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123Olympian Posted July 25, 2013 Author Share Posted July 25, 2013 im pretty sure the people who call her OP dont run waves higher than 15 on defense missions like xini or outer terminous with her anyways. Agreed, they are too busy leeching off the lower levels on Earth to get keys and also most don't even have Nova. As most complain how Raptor is OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archistopheles Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 I thought this was an obvious flame/argument bait thread after reading the first line, but the community moderator responded like it was serious, so I must have been wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggh Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) im pretty sure the people who call her OP dont run waves higher than 15 on defense missions like xini or outer terminous with her anyways. The only people I've seen think this are the people killing ancients first when they should be killing the light mobs early when the wave has freshly spawned so they kill each other and light up the ancients. Tossing an anti matter spammed with a high damage weapon of choice while they're still primed makes 15+ still pretty pz. Exactly. While helpful, it's not nearly as good as Sonar. The ability to clear low level waves isn't a great criteria to judge a frame to be OP. The difference is that banshee doesn't have a high damage ability (ie 4x as much as you can spam from your weapon in a couple seconds in an aoe) like anti matter drop that can be comboed with sonar. Come back to me when banshee can deal 8x her weapon's damage in an aoe and then get another 1600 aoe damage per mob she kills. The numbers add up to a lot more damage than sonar can hope to accomplish. Edited July 25, 2013 by Aggh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123Olympian Posted July 25, 2013 Author Share Posted July 25, 2013 DE already addressed this in their multiple Q&A, developing Warframe is an iterative process, the difficulty levels have increased dramatically since first introduced to the public, and they have also said older frames are being reassessed in light of difficulty changes. Why is it so hard for the community’s morons to understand that Nova being the latest frame would be better balanced for current content? This community is going the way of most f2p games communities; filled with whiny halfwits who don't know their arse from their elbow, and too stupid to see beyond the end of their nose. The game is in constant development; things can and will change as that process continues. That is obious, although I made this forum to stop having fools make forums about how each warframe they can't get is OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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