Elfezen Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) 外側では、アガスティアはエンターテインメントを専門とする会社であり、運営するテーマパークでよく知られています。しかし、そのような外観の下には、記念碑的な秘密があります。アガスティアは、世界の支配を目指すさまざまな高度な邪悪な組織の1つです。その本質にもかかわらず、会社は職場環境に耐える価値があるようにする誘惑を誇っています。偉大なリーダーであるアカシックが率いるアガスティアは、最近、仲間のグループの共通の目標を達成するための最有力候補になりました。 アガスティアのモンスター開発部門に勤務する黒津とうかは、先輩の偏心から主にフィールドワークを行う研究者です。黒津の日常の仕事には、突然のプレゼンテーションや提案、モンスターのデザインに対するばかげた期待への対応、アガスティアの敵による必然的な敗北に直面するためのモンスターの同行も含まれます。それでも、黒津が望む昇進を得ることを意味するのであれば、黒津が最善を尽くすことを妨げるものは何もありません！ [MALリライトによって書かれました] Edited March 6, 2022 by Elfezen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteMarker Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Man... how are the Middle-Earth games even selling with all these ugly enemies? Honestly I don't get what you want to tell us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elfezen Posted October 20, 2017 Author Share Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) On 2017-10-20 at 12:28 PM, WhiteMarker said: i cannot see the comment, it appears invisible here Edited March 6, 2022 by Elfezen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D3STRO1D Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 The Grineer are ugly, yes, but there is a reason. They are clones, and they put themselves back together once they fall apart (which I assume is pretty often, as they decay constantly), which makes them that ugly. Look at their wiki page for more information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix1992 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) Er...? No? Like have you seen the PS4 trailer? Edited October 20, 2017 by phoenix1992 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteMarker Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Just now, Elfezen said: The design of the Orcs in the 2 Middle-Earth games (Shadow of Mordor & Shadow of War) is one of the ways to make something ugly in a good direction, if they made them like the orcs from the original LotR trilogy then they would look a lot worse but still not as ugly as the Grineer lol I have no clue what you mean by saying looking ugly and good at the same time. You know "looking good/bad" is subjective, don't you? And what is even the question in this thread? If someone doesn't like the look of something in the game, then he probably wont play the game? So what? People who like the look will play the game. And that's what matters. DE should not try to please everyone. Then this attempt will always fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostedMike Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 So how Dark Souls III became successful? The animation and the gameplay in the trailers say more about the game than the enemies design. Once you get into the game you relize why the enemies look like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TARINunit9 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 I get what OP is saying -- a bad first impression nearly killed the Earthbound series in 1994 -- but I don't think it applies in Warframe's marketing. When you see the Grineer in marketing material, they're posed as villains, much like the orcs in the Shadow of Mordor example already mentioned, thus contextualizing their appearance and giving potential customers an inkling of what the villains are like (and villains are a rather big part of any video game) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deshiel Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Well most of commercialism revolves around the warframes. Grinner make minimal appearance in the marketing segments and promo materials. They even appear far less than the orcs in Shadow of War and Mordor so your fear is too... (forgot the single word for when you worry too much) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady_Xenomorph Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Xenomorphs also ugly as hell (in your eyes puny humans ... shrieeek.) but still have consumer catching power and a wide fan base. The grineers not looks terrible at that bad way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broodmoe Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 10 minutes ago, Lady_Xenomorph said: Xenomorphs also ugly as hell (in your eyes puny humans ... shrieeek.) but still have consumer catching power and a wide fan base. The grineers not looks terrible at that bad way. Hell even the Necromorphs have a fan base. I really don't get this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkyPygmy Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) This just in: Ugliness relevant to the characters and stories is bad for marketing. Jokes aside, I have no idea what you are trying to get across OP. That simply isn't the case. The characters may be ugly, but the only thing that can affect engagement from the target audience aesthetics wise, is if they dislike the design. Ugly/bad design is not the same as objectively ugly characters etc. Especially when said characters are supposed to be ugly. For example, Vor is ugly, sure, but his design is great. I personally like his look and his ugliness because it's done well. Same thing applies to literally any media. Edited October 20, 2017 by StinkyPygmy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royallyTipsy Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Unusual design of Grineer is one of the reasons I was attracted to the game and got to eventually playing it, not otherwise. Sorry, you are just plain wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvelous_A Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 IDK...Warframe has been known for having "unique" standard of aesthetic. Nova Deluxe and the upcoming Ember Deluxe and such... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Silverback73 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Elfezen said: When they commercialize Warframe as a game and a product, aren't these specific very ugly designs of the Grineer causing problems with the audience and its marketing? When they see the trailer of the game it shows Captain Vor who is probably the ugliest character in the game and it gives a bad first taste. The Warframes themselves and most of the other characters are very well designed but the enemies, especially the Grineer are ugly in a bad direction, there are many good ways to make an enemy ''ugly'' without being aethestically bad looking. The masked grineer are kinda better because they are covered but the majority of the others are very ugly designed. The Grineer are the best-themed faction in the game. If you are looking for where they draw their inspiration from, it's probably from the 80's Robotech Macross saga's Zentradi: Cloned miners turned into a military force for their masters with ships shockingly similar to the Grineer aesthetic. There's a little Japanime influence (Yokai and the Dystopian Battle Angel Alita comics) also. Basically: Rick Hunter:. Us Zentradi:. Grineer Robotech Masters: Orokin/Corpus Invid: Sentients Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyori Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Grineer design has a lot to looked like Makoto Kobayashi's design. I'm sure someone in DE followed his work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix1992 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 10 minutes ago, Marvelous_A said: IDK...Warframe has been known for having "unique" standard of aesthetic. Nova Deluxe and the upcoming Ember Deluxe and such... Don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvelous_A Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, phoenix1992 said: Don't. Having unique aesthetic is not necessary bad. Some people like these skins also..it's after all personal preference. But warframe doesn't take the usual edgy route in design that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix1992 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, Marvelous_A said: Having unique aesthetic is not necessary bad. Some people like these skins also..it's after all personal preference. But warframe doesn't take the usual edgy route in design that's for sure. The thing is that I don't think that Nova or Ember deluxe are unique designs. They actually feel rather generic when put in comparison next to all available games. Edited October 20, 2017 by phoenix1992 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madway7 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 In the end they're bad guys not playable characters, so I don't really see the issue? Their designs have thought put into them and even Vor's looks imply things beyond him looking ugly for the sake of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekkou Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 The fact that this is a problem to you, yet you still play warframe anyway proves that this isn't actually a problem at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Kramer- Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) That's precisely what I loved when I started to play this game : the unicity of its enemy design. They are so twisted & originals, like no other game. So, to me, it's a kind of wise marketing move. And besides, you even get attached to the lovely Clem. So no problem at all for me. Edited October 20, 2017 by Kramer17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altre Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Is this better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfdoggie Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 I'm sure they could market Vor action figures with detachable pants. The playable characters are more important than the enemies though since you'll want to shoot them in the face anyways. The Warframe designs did actually keep the game from grabbing my interest right away for a long time till my friends eventually started playing it long enough for me to ask questions about it. Especially with stuff like Hydroid running around making my favorite element look bad. Now if everyone was on par with Ash Koga back then well it woulda happened sooner. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerdaro Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 I love the grineer design and story. I wish they had more attention lore-character wise. Give us the side of view of a Grineer Trooper, let us know how they think. Grineer were pretty much slave clones who fought the fck out of slavery and built an empire. Now that's what i call revolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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