End Game Frame

[(PSN)sickgalactic]

So I just started a week ago and  bought some frames based on their skill descriptions and visuals. I already max ranked some of them but it turns out that most frames that I'm loving isn't exactly end-game viable based on comments here in the forums, reddit and youtube. If you might ask, I have Frost Prime, Nova Prime, Saryn, Oberon and Mag. I noticed that only 1 activity in the game  stands as a benchmark of end-game viability and that's T4 Survival that I keep hearing on about. Which makes me sad because obviously, that can't be the ONLY end-game stuff I can do right?  

TLDR; So what then are the frames that are viable for GENERAL end-game content, not limited to T4 Survival? 

[(PSN)WeaverDuck]

Every frame is... That's the ultimate truth. Pick one, master it, it will do

And if that's matter to you, I have over 4,1k hours in wf. I know what i'm talkin' about :)

 

Edited October 21, 2017 by (PS4)Z3vrill

[(PSN)sickgalactic]

5 minutes ago, (PS4)Z3vrill said:

Every frame is... That's the ultimate truth. Pick one, master it, it will do

And if that's matter to you, I have over 4,1k hours in wf. I know what i'm talkin' about :)

 

That is actually reassuring. Thank you!

[Faulcun]

29 minutes ago, (PS4)sickgalactic said:

So I just started a week ago and  bought some frames based on their skill descriptions and visuals. I already max ranked some of them but it turns out that most frames that I'm loving isn't exactly end-game viable based on comments here in the forums, reddit and youtube. If you might ask, I have Frost Prime, Nova Prime, Saryn, Oberon and Mag. I noticed that only 1 activity in the game  stands as a benchmark of end-game viability and that's T4 Survival that I keep hearing on about. Which makes me sad because obviously, that can't be the ONLY end-game stuff I can do right?  

TLDR; So what then are the frames that are viable for GENERAL end-game content, not limited to T4 Survival? 

well.... there is no actual end game yet. The highest level missions available are sorties up to lvl 100. Otherwise highest standard content is around 40-50.

Aside from that, to reach higher level, you'd have to spend more than an hour in an endless mission like a survival/defense/interception etc etc.

The highest starting level of one of those would probably be in the void at the equivalent of what used to be a T4 which is around lvl 45 or so, but corrupted deal more damage on average.

With all that being said, every frame in this game has the capability of lasting at least an hour in any survival or sortie. But thats entirely up to your ability to know how your powers work and how skilled you are at using them at the right time, among other things.

There is no magic build that will let you just waltz through a mission like that either. And if there is, it should be nerfed lol.

Also, I wouldnt pay too much attention to what people say are viable or not, or youtubers. They have no idea what they are talking about half the time. Out of the frames you listed, I used to do hour long T4 survivals with all of them except saryn. Not to say that saryn cant do it, I just dont have much experience with her.

Something else to note..... the majority of the community cannot last an hour in a higher level survival anyways, nor is there a reason to do it in the first place anyways. We used to have tower keys (T1-4) that provided prime parts on rotations (every 5 min for survivals). So the longer you stayed, the more parts you got from a single key. It doesnt work like that anymore. The tower keys have been turned into regular void missions now.

For now, put a few hundred hours in the game, unlock all the planets, get some good experience, and try a few survivals and see how it goes.

Feel free to contact me if you have more questions or need help

[MessoR]

Most of the frames are Viable at "endgame" (tho fashionframe fishingframe is true endgame)

Some are not as effective as others? Yes.

There are a lot of ways you can make a frame endgame viable. Augments, Special builds, Just plainly mastering skillset and movement helps.

[Gunslinger]

You will laugh, one of the most versatile frames can be good ol' Excalibur. Good CC, good DPS. Good overall survivability. Fashionframe wise, many choices. ^^
Chromatic blade can breeze through lvl 100 sorties. If you mod for his slash dash with max range you can fly over the plains (use that as a means of getting fast from point A to point B). His 2 can CC very, very good and opens for finishers. Like the Tenno before me I will have to agree, EVERY frame can be "endgame". 

I chose to speak about Excalibur just to make a point that you don't need to finish the starchart or have xxxx hours played to have an "endgame" frame. The choice is yours! ^^

[Xzorn]

T4 is a left over from when we had Tower keys. Enemies do x3 damage. It caters to groups or CC / Invisibility. Not much else will work which means roughly 3/4 the frame roster will struggle past 80min Solo on MOT while just about any group comp can push 3-4 hours.

Outside T4 (MoT) majority of frames can push lvl 300-400 Solo. Some are more fun to do so than others and some are easier than others.

Of the frames you mentioned Saryn will probably struggle the most Solo past lvl 100. She's kinda squishy but she's also an amazing group frame so she's quite viable and in fact one of the better group choices when dealing with armored enemies. Mag does amazing in groups as well and can Solo Grineer well. She struggles with Nullifiers so Void / Corpus can be a problem. Oberon does well against all factions up around lvl 300-400 Solo and Frost does decent solo, around lvl 300 though his group value just got knocked down by Gara.

I have recent endurance runs with Mesa, Nidus, Nekros, Octavia, Rhino, Trinity, Chroma in my About me section of my profile if you want to see how any of those frames perform. Testing builds with endurance runs is kinda how I keep myself busy and I can assure you most frames will push around 2 hours solo unless they have Invisibility or similar effects to prevent them from taking damage entirely. Of course some frames are better Solo while others are better in groups. Banshee is hands down the best group frame in the game but playing her Solo at higher level can be frustrating to say the least.

[Rupenus]

In a team game there is one way of dealing with lvl 2000 enemies: Banshee Sonar build. Banshee can one shot by overlapping sonar on lvl 500 Behemoth Juggernaut in one shot, that is rougly 52M damage. with one bullet. 

Probably Highest burst dps and amazing tank while dealing with bullets: Mesa. One of the best solo frames. If you have double Arcane Grace set equipped, you can facetank lvl 150-180 heavy gunners while 3rd skill being on. She can kill lvl 150 Juggernaut in 2.5 seconds, what can i say more? 

Ash: 100% armor deletion with just 1 click, Invisibility, Teleport + Finisher damage, Pure end game material

Ivara, Master of invisibility, even Artemis Bow build itself can handle lvl 200~ enemies, Sleep Arrow + Finisher Ivara can survive for hours! lvl 500-lvl1000 enemies you name it! 

octavia, one of the best solo frames, kills enemies by dealing % damage of their health so her capabilities of dealing with level enemies are limitless. She has also limitless invisibility as long as you have energy for it. (has that ability been nerfed lately, this needs correction)

Valkyr, She is immune to everything when  she is at 4th ability. Has highest armor in the game, with just mod she gets 70%'ish damage reduction(with her second skill and using shield+sword weapon you get like 98% damage reduction), totally end game melee frame. 

Trinity, one of the most tankiest frames, best support. a must have

Honorable mentions, Harrow, Frost, Inaros

 

 

Edited October 21, 2017 by Rupenus

[(PSN)Radehx]

In groups, pretty much all of them...solo, some have it easier than others. My favorites for long solo runs are:

Ivara: Perma-stealth, endlessly scaling damage, headshot bonus, double loot, can cloak allies and amazing hard CC with sleep arrows opening up everything to finisher damage.

Nidus: Amazing tank, can come back from the dead without interrupting gameplay, effective CC and scaling damage.

Ash: Invisibility, armor stripping & endlessly scaling damage

Limbo: Best CC in game (can stop time), crazy melee damage bonus, status procs never end as long as stasis is up and he can be totally invulnerable against anything but nullifiers. He's a crazy melee frame!

Wukong: Great run & gun frame that simply can't die. Has endlessly scaling damage with cloudwalker and a CL dagger. 

Hydroid: Can enter an invulnerable state, extra loot, has healing, crazy scaling damage based on enemy health, Volt-like speed with tidal surge and can strip armor at line of sight. 

Equinox: The calm & frenzy sleep setup of her night form can carry you into very late endgame without the need for stealth. Super versatile frame that's also great in teams. The calm & frenzy build still lets you use maim just fine.

What unites those frames is always a combination of the following:

- Stealth (Prowl or Smoke Screen)

- Ability to survive one shot kills at super high levels (Defy or Undying)

- Invulnerable state (Rift Walk or Puddle)

- Scaling damage (Puddle, CL daggers, Virulence)

- Armor stripping (Corroding Barrage)

At very high levels you need a way to either strip armor or do damage going around it (slash, CL daggers)...preferably nicely scaling damage. Eventually, all "normal" tanks will still go down to single shots...so having a way to come back from the dead helps if you don't have stealth or an invulnerable state. 

Some of the frames above are better than others for certain game modes. Limbo for example makes any defensive missions super easy. You can basically meditate and just sit there. For long survivals, Ivara is imo top dog due to prowl giving you double loot...making it super easy to keep up life support. 

In fact...Ivara can do everything well. She's my favorite high-level content frame. Nidus is generally my pick if I want more "tanky" in your face gameplay...his abilities synergize soooooooo amazingly well. Limbo is a ridiculously strong melee frame that can cheese most missions, especially rescue or escort missions.

Banshee is amazing for dps team support, but with Shadow Step gone, she's now super squishy and really needs a team for protection imo. Not saying you can't make her work for solo stuff...you're just making your life harder than it has to be. 

Edited October 22, 2017 by (PS4)Radehx

[UltimateGrr]

12 hours ago, Faulcun said:

Also, I wouldnt pay too much attention to what people say are viable or not, or youtubers. They have no idea what they are talking about half the time. Out of the frames you listed, I used to do hour long T4 survivals with all of them except saryn. Not to say that saryn cant do it, I just dont have much experience with her.

I'd do 40 min t4 survival with Saryn pretty much every day back before Specters of the Rail dropped.  Could have gone longer (and sometimes did), but I can't sit down and stare at a computer much longer than that before I just need to get up and move around a bit.

Saryn Prime is my most used frame at this point, and she's the undisputed queen of AoE debuffs and DoTs.  Her main ability is Spore, and it's one of the few infinitely scaling abilities in the game, dropping the max HP of afflicted enemies by 50% for the duration AND every popped spore bubble spreads a new, full duration casting to every enemy in a wide radius (afflicted enemies that die with spores on them only get like 75% of the spread radius, which is still pretty generous). 

[(PSN)sickgalactic]

Thank you all for your insight. This actually gave me some ideas on who to get next. 

[(PSN)drpunk-yo]

They're all "end game" viable but, like weapons, it's all down to the mods.

You'll want at least a catalyst installed in the frame. You'll probably need forma if you want to use the exilus slot.

You probably want corrupted mods for min maxing abilities.

You probably want an augment for that frame.

[Coolgroove.]

On 10/21/2017 at 6:41 PM, (PS4)sickgalactic said:

So I just started a week ago and  bought some frames based on their skill descriptions and visuals. I already max ranked some of them but it turns out that most frames that I'm loving isn't exactly end-game viable based on comments here in the forums, reddit and youtube. If you might ask, I have Frost Prime, Nova Prime, Saryn, Oberon and Mag. I noticed that only 1 activity in the game  stands as a benchmark of end-game viability and that's T4 Survival that I keep hearing on about. Which makes me sad because obviously, that can't be the ONLY end-game stuff I can do right?  

TLDR; So what then are the frames that are viable for GENERAL end-game content, not limited to T4 Survival? 

As previous poster said - "They're all "end game" viable but, like weapons, it's all down to the mods."

This is the biggest pitfall of watching youtubers for recommendations when you are just a newbie. Because they already have all important mods, maxed, formas, potatos.... and in most cases only downgrade they do is 2 seconds mention of Primed/Regular mods differences.

How good certain weapon or warframe IN certain situation is depends on: 20-40% warframe/weapon and 60-80% mods. And there is nothing like "Best for everything", some warframes/weapons are more versatile than the other, but again - only when modded properly.

So for any warframe and most of the weapons to be viable in any endgame that you would like to choose for yourself you will need:

• Mods (rare, corrupted, primed)
• Endo and credits to max mods (and you would need LOTS & LOTS)
• Forma (to change mod slot polaryty and be able to equip more/better/maxed mods)
• Orokin Reactor/Catalist to expand mods capacity

Only after you get and max most of dualstat/damage/flow/continuity/intensify/corrupted and some primed mods - only then you'll be really viable in high-lvl content with any frame and most of the weapons. And to be able to put all those mods in your warframes/weapons - you need to put Orokin reactor/catalist and apply some formas.

Important thing - you started with the best direction - you selected things based on what you would enjoy. Continue exploring Warframe with this mindset - and you'll enjoy it a whole lot more :)