New Nightmare Mode: No Shield, Really?

[Hameln]

This is why it stupid:

- There are Shield build for Frame that weak in health, like Mag. That mean Max shield and shield regen, no health. When they come in this type of S#&$ty mode, there are no way to counter except quit at the 1st moment. Is quitting now being officially supported encouraged?

- Compare to heath bleeding (which make the game more in tense, player have to depend on shield, know when to stop to get some cover), this shieldless mode is bulS#&$. No way to avoid getting hit, and nobody can know that they can stump into this mode so they could have change to Trinity, not mention when playing solo.

- Many mods will be useless: Shield, shield regen, guardian, fortitude... and NO WAY no avoid because you cannot change mod in middle of the game, no solution for player to overcome.

 

Whole big S#&$ of Fake Difficulty.

Let people have option to enter this mode or not, notice before hand so they can prepare, or just remove it.

Who ever think if you can make a handycap mode with heath, then with shield is also fine: GKYS, your design is like a child play

Edited July 30, 2013 by Hameln

[GrimmShadows]

Honestly speaking, the nightmare mode is like a random challenge for players and without it, the game becomes stale fairly quickly. There are ways to counter the no shield challenge, add vitality. It helps in the long run too. Go with team mates, playing solo can only bring you so far. Don't play nightmare mode, it is just that simple since nightmare mode doesn't affect all the maps in the whole galaxy.

[Khaos_Zand3r]

One mode I discovered yesterday was Energy Drain....wasn't expecting that....or it was just a mode that reverses your aura, not sure (I had Energy Siphon on)

[Rafarix]

Well the point of nightmare mode is to give players a handicap making the game more harder hence the name nightmare mode. However if I say nightmare mode is fine; I'd be lying. 

 

Once I entered one solo I had the following: No shields, Energy Drain, and Vampire (Health drain). I was also using Volt at the time, because I was hoping to speed through it, but it didn't quite work out. I only lucked out barley because I was going against infested if it was corpus or grineer I would have been screwed completely considering Volt isn't known for his tanky armor.

 

You're not the only one who has had issues with nightmare mode I seen a couple of other threads pointing out the issues to it. Sometimes I feel that they stack a little too much against the player sometimes.

 

However for your situation for your Mag, the best advice I can say is come expecting the worse. I know that isn't really much to go on, but that's all I can say. Try to put on mods to cover up all areas such as a decent redirection for shield if it might be health drain, but you have shield, Vitality if you might not get shields, and bring a few health packs just in case.

[GrimmShadows]

One mode I discovered yesterday was Energy Drain....wasn't expecting that....or it was just a mode that reverses your aura, not sure (I had Energy Siphon on)

Not sure about the reverse aura part but there are times when there is energy drain. I encountered it during a no-shield nightmare mode.

[VER1]

There is a problem with the zero shields and energy mode.

If the mission is defense, a weak warframe player will hide out in areas that the enemies can not get them and make other players with more tanking warframes do all the work.

[Diremongoose]

However for your situation for your Mag, the best advice I can say is come expecting the worse. I know that isn't really much to go on, but that's all I can say. Try to put on mods to cover up all areas such as a decent redirection for shield if it might be health drain, but you have shield, Vitality if you might not get shields, and bring a few health packs just in case.

 

I complely agree, I kit out my frames with a range of mods when playing nightmare mods. Steel fibre is often a good choice in case of no shields, while I find rejuvenaiton is often a good aura for health drain and no-shield maps.

[Zap15]

Yeah, a nightmare mode where there are no shields really is a nightmare for frames with low armor. I would abandon abort the mission too if I were playing on Volt, Ember, or the other low armored frames.

Edited July 30, 2013 by Zap15

[Quamobrem]

Nightmare Mode is broken and pointless in general. Difficulty is all well and good, but a lot of what's introduced in Nightmare Mode is just impossible to effectively counter, and the way it overwrites missions that someone might want to run without having to deal with "OH COOL THIS A****** WITH A HITSCAN MACHINE GUN CAN ONE SHOT YOU" means that even people who choose not to play it are screwed by it.

 

The game doesn't need stronger enemies, it doesn't need silly handicaps. It needs more diverse enemy types with better AI.

[Hameln]

 

However for your situation for your Mag, the best advice I can say is come expecting the worse. I know that isn't really much to go on, but that's all I can say. Try to put on mods to cover up all areas such as a decent redirection for shield if it might be health drain, but you have shield, Vitality if you might not get shields, and bring a few health packs just in case.

 

Where is the fun in that.

This is not a card game where you outsmart your opponent by expecting all possible outcome.

This is just you and your full modded "Mag" , where the joy come from releasing all the power you got from levling about 150 hours.

If this is what design team oriented player to, double the stupid score for them then.

[fishworshipper]

Where is the fun in that.

This is not a card game where you outsmart your opponent by expecting all possible outcome.

This is just you and your full modded "Mag" , where the joy come from releasing all the power you got from levling about 150 hours.

If this is what design team oriented player to, double the stupid score for them then.

I wouldn't classify "getting f***ed by Mag's 225 max hp" as "unleashing all your built up power".

The game NEEDS to tell you what the modifiers are going to be and give you enough time to change your loadout, so you don't end up with a shieldless Trinity with no power ever and no minimap so that her Enemy Radar is useless. That isn't fun. It's frustrating.

[IcarusNine]

I love no shields.

 

It means my loki gets to sit out the mission drinking fruity wine coolers while you sweaty rhinos do all the fighting.  

[fatpig84]

Nightmare Mode is broken and pointless in general. Difficulty is all well and good, but a lot of what's introduced in Nightmare Mode is just impossible to effectively counter, and the way it overwrites missions that someone might want to run without having to deal with "OH COOL THIS A****** WITH A HITSCAN MACHINE GUN CAN ONE SHOT YOU" means that even people who choose not to play it are screwed by it.

 

The game doesn't need stronger enemies, it doesn't need silly handicaps. It needs more diverse enemy types with better AI.

 

I never got 1 shotted even with a Nyx without Vitality on nightmare mode with no shields on. And it was a defense map.

Don't exaggerate.

 

 

P.S Nyx only has 10 armor.

Edited July 30, 2013 by fatpig84

[Dwevan]

i dont think that the no shields mods is any fun... it doesnt make the game more challenging, just anooying, for example i was soloing on a level, got shield and energy drain and timer (not a good combo) ran round a corner and got insta killed by an ancient... not fun, just F*****g irritating...

please cahnge this so that its reduced shield regen or something, no shields is a bad bad idea!!! 

ps, remove the no map or at least show objectives.. that too is just irrritating

[krisp]

Honestly speaking, the nightmare mode is like a random challenge for players and without it, the game becomes stale fairly quickly.

It's poorly implemented though, and can be made much better without being random.

 

I don't understand why you'd remove all shields. Converting shields to health so it doesn't regen makes much more sense, but removing ALL shields? That's a challenge that's inherently unfair depending on what warframe you have. There's lots of other mutators you can put in place that are both creative and entertaining, but it looks like DE suffers from creative bankrupcy in this regard.

 

One thing's for sure though. Nightmare mode should be an option, and nightmare mode should show you what you're getting into.

[Phoenix86]

well... no shields + no energy = a nightmare to play... i think they hit us at 100% with that combo.

 

well at least there's something 'hard' to do... something i just dont simply rush ahead and crush... i'm fine in the end

[Hameln]

Er.. guys...

Dont forget to upvote, or they not gonna read your suggestion at all.

[DiabolusUrsus]

The last Livestream they mentioned an intention to attach specific sets of conditions to specific missions. So that people who fail can try something different in an attempt to succeed. This will solve many of the current problems with Nightmare mode. I will agree that No Shields is a decent mode as soon as they make Steel Fiber actually do something useful.

[SoulEchelon]

"Nightmare Mode is way too easy! Make it harder!"

 

"Nightmare Mode is way too hard! Make it easier!"

 

If DE is actually reading this thread, their facepalms will be loud enough to be heard by the U.S.

 

Nightmare Mode is supposed to be hard. It rewards some (mostly) very useful mods that can't be obtained anywhere else. The mode is a nightmare with restrictions and much harder enemies. Asking for conveniences like knowing what restriction you'll have beforehand both reduces the overall difficulty and intrigue surrounding the mode. They didn't call it "nightmare" just so the community can make it into just a "bad dream".

 

This mode is not fully meant to be soloed. People posting their complaints about playing solo in Nightmare Mode need to hush up. This last event showed us that Warframe thrives on teamwork. Yeah, challenge yourself if you wish by doing Nightmare solo, but don't turn around and complain on the forums about its difficulty if you lose. Find a team, or click the node while Online. Playing in a team will only end up benefiting you anyway.

Edited July 30, 2013 by SoulEchelon

[Hameln]

"Nightmare Mode is way too easy! Make it harder!"

 

"Nightmare Mode is way too hard! Make it easier!"

 

If DE is actually reading this thread, their facepalms will be loud enough to be heard by the U.S.

 

Nightmare Mode is supposed to be hard. It rewards some (mostly) very useful mods that can't be obtained anywhere else. The mode is a nightmare with restrictions and much harder enemies. Asking for conveniences like knowing what restriction you'll have beforehand both reduces the overall difficulty and intrigue surrounding the mode. They didn't call it "nightmare" just so the community can make it into just a "bad dream".

 

This mode is not fully meant to be soloed. People posting their complaints about playing solo in Nightmare Mode need to hush up. This last event showed us that Warframe thrives on teamwork. Yeah, challenge yourself if you wish by doing Nightmare solo, but don't turn around and complain on the forums about its difficulty if you lose. Find a team, or click the node while Online. Playing in a team will only end up benefiting you anyway.

Plz read the whole thread before comment. Do not make a random post just by looking at the title and first post.

We dont say it too hard, we say it stupid and annoying. It the same thing as enemy spawn in cleaned room or Accient's "homming" arm.

I play nightmare solo because it not hard enough, not because it haven't annoying enough.

 

Do we clear?

[SoulEchelon]

Plz read the whole thread before comment. Do not make a random post just by looking at the title and first post.

Uh, I read the whole thread? And I stated my opinion on the matter? Just because it's different than yours doesn't mean I "didn't read the whole thread".

Edited July 30, 2013 by SoulEchelon

[IanLai]

difficult is one thing

non test difficult is another

 

you can make difficult with all enemy one hit kill you

that is difficult but also unplayable

[MECT_HET]

I never got 1 shotted even with a Nyx without Vitality on nightmare mode with no shields on. And it was a defense map.

Don't exaggerate.

 

 

P.S Nyx only has 10 armor.

Actually there is always a chance to be oneshotted during playing nightmare. This is not about your armor or health, this is just nightmare featue/bug. You are pretty lucky to never facing it, but my Rhino already has been oneshotted twice or more, during playing nightmare.

[Namacyst]

This is why it stupid:

- There are Shield build for Frame that weak in health, like Mag. That mean Max shield and shield regen, no health. When they come in this type of S#&$ty mode, there are no way to counter except quit at the 1st moment. Is quitting now being officially supported encouraged?

- Compare to heath bleeding (which make the game more in tense, player have to depend on shield, know when to stop to get some cover), this shieldless mode is bulS#&$. No way to avoid getting hit, and nobody can know that they can stump into this mode so they could have change to Trinity, not mention when playing solo.

- Many mods will be useless: Shield, shield regen, guardian, fortitude... and NO WAY no avoid because you cannot change mod in middle of the game, no solution for player to overcome.

 

Whole big S#&$ of Fake Difficulty.

Let people have option to enter this mode or not, notice before hand so they can prepare, or just remove it.

Who ever think if you can make a handycap mode with heath, then with shield is also fine: GKYS, your design is like a child play

Nightmare mode without stuff like "no shields" so every Rank 2 noob can run it would be childs play.

 

If you suck and fail in nightmare mode... don't play nightmare mode.

 

Alot of other, good players have alot of fun with it.

[Mak_Gohae]

The first time i ran into no shields it was when i was leveling Frost Prime and i have Rejuvenation on and i was laughing because that was the perfect setup.

 

I do like no shields because it tremendously slows down the game, people can no longer just run past stuff. But if you happen to have Vamp mode as well it basically cancels out the no shield since for every kill you are getting whatever loss you took back.