Destro6677 Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 (edited) Seriously fellow Tenno, why are so many of us getting hung up on Nova's (and some other frames) ability to killsteal? In any game, the carries/mages tend to get the most killsteals anyway. LoL, Diablo, everything. High DPS characters are always going to take kills from tank and support classes, and adc's and apc's killsteal from each other all the time. It happens either accidentally or on purpose. Let's pull together and show a little unity. The only time killstealing gets really annoying is when some guy one-shots the enemy you were hacking at for more than 3 seconds from across the room. (I've done that by accident sometimes myself) Edited July 30, 2013 by Destro6677 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haldark Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 What the hell is "killstealing"? All I see is my foes being obliterated. I'm happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feldgrep Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Because the number of kills are counted and you are ranked by them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldershot Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 What the hell is "killstealing"? All I see is my foes being obliterated. I'm happy. agreed! most people aren't even thinking about kill count, just want to play the game and help a fellow tenno out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zareek Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 My fellow Tenno, the mission comes first. ALWAYS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamSippyCup Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I've literally never seen anyone give a S#&$ about killstealing. Sometimes when you're farming a defense mission and Nova rapes everything over a large area, that can be annoying, but wouldn't really class that as killstealing .. just spreading the drops out in an annoying way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venarge Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Well. People and their little egos are most likely the problem... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semoke Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Seriously fellow Tenno, why are so many of us getting hung up on Nova's ability to killsteal? In any game, the carries/mages tend to get the most killsteals anyway. LoL, Diablo, everything. High DPS characters are always going to take kills from tank and support classes, and adc's and apc's killsteal from each other all the time. It happens either accidentally or on purpose. Let's pull together and show a little unity. The only time killstealing gets really annoying is when some guy one-shots the enemy you were hacking at for more than 3 seconds from across the room. (I've done that by accident sometimes myself) Carries? mages? wtf? this is not league of legends, this is warframe a co-op shooter. it seems like a lot of people can't turn off their moba mindset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altissimus Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Because the number of kills are counted and you are ranked by them. OMG! Nooooooo! And all this time I could've been ranked 2,096 places higher up in the rankings if I'd just brought my Saryn instead of my Frost Prime in defence missions! Damn you Frost Prime!!! Damn you levelling gear!!! I know I should've just used one weapon at 30 the whole time and never done anything other than endless defence!! Damn you sleep!! Why doth thou pursuest me? I have rank to gain! Hang on....does rank matter? What do you get for being rank 2,192nd instead of 21,920th? or 219,200th, for that matter? Suddenly this whole thread seems unimportant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artaban Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 That's why personal rankings should be removed https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/86172-should-global-rankings-be-removed-rankings-revamped/#entry946237 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldershot Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 OMG! Nooooooo! And all this time I could've been ranked 2,096 places higher up in the rankings if I'd just brought my Saryn instead of my Frost Prime in defence missions! Damn you Frost Prime!!! Damn you levelling gear!!! I know I should've just used one weapon at 30 the whole time and never done anything other than endless defence!! Damn you sleep!! Why doth thou pursuest me? I have rank to gain! Hang on....does rank matter? What do you get for being rank 2,192nd instead of 21,920th? or 219,200th, for that matter? Suddenly this whole thread seems unimportant. If it doesn't give me blue prints, i don't want it! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hydrater Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Suddenly this whole thread seems unimportant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasamoto Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Seriously fellow Tenno, why are so many of us getting hung up on Nova's ability to killsteal? I can't see those you call "many of us". In fact, you are the first one to mention it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altissimus Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 If it doesn't give me blue prints, i don't want it! :D I laugh at your primitive mindset. It is not blueprints you need, it is the component parts the blue print asks for! Ok, and the blueprint. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destro6677 Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share Posted July 30, 2013 (edited) My motivation for starting this thread was for goodwill purposes. I'm glad there are many good people out there who prioritize the mission. About that MOBA mindset thing.. Would you call Diablo a MOBA? In Diablo 3, mage does the damage, barbarian tanks the hits. Does that make Diablo 3 a MOBA? It still has that PVE element. Edited July 30, 2013 by Destro6677 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatpig84 Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 (edited) If you want to bring in a moba mind set. Nova will only serve as the early game ganker or semi carry. The hard carries are Vauban, Frost, Nyx and Rhino to a certain extent if he specs out for maximum stomp use. Trinity, Ember and Rhino will serve the tank role. Edited July 30, 2013 by fatpig84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haldark Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 (edited) If you want to bring in a moba mind set. Nova will only serve as the early game ganker or semi carry. The hard carries are vaubans, frost, Nyx and tanks. Only if Loki gets to be a mix of Shaco and LeBlanc and Frost gets to be a mix of Sejuani, Ashe, and Leona. Ah, and Trinity gets to be Taric. :D Umm... Ember is Brand. And... Rhino is a mix of Pantheon and Malphite. Edited July 30, 2013 by Haldark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VER1 Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Because many people come into games like this regardless of PvE and need to play it like PvP. Highest kills at the end of the mission equals win amongst the players within the current mission. Sure there is winning as a team but there is also winning by making sure you have the highest kills within the team. Today I slapped a couple of Teslas on to a player (happed to be a Frost) who I have seen in a past missions running and jumping around like monkey hopped up on amphetamines in game to make sure he gets the majority of the kills. Needless to say he did not like it at all and was indeed vocal about it. So I didn't place the next set on him and instead placed the Teslas relatively far away from the cryo pod. Needless to say he ran ahead of those teslas every wave to make sure he took the kills first before my teslas instead of being a good frost and using snow globe on the cryo pod. Since he could not keep up with the kills of the Vauban by the end of the wave set, he started clicking claim/battle quickly before settling upon claim (which was a common mod). By this time he was probably smirking to himself thinking I would have failed without him being there trying to get the most kills. My intentions were to stay another five waves whether he was there or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldershot Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Because many people come into games like this regardless of PvE and need to play it like PvP. Highest kills at the end of the mission equals win amongst the players within the current mission. Sure there is winning as a team but there is also winning by making sure you have the highest kills within the team. Today I slapped a couple of Teslas on to a player (happed to be a Frost) who I have seen in a past missions running and jumping around like monkey hopped up on amphetamines in game to make sure he gets the majority of the kills. Needless to say he did not like it at all and was indeed vocal about it. So I didn't place the next set on him and instead placed the Teslas relatively far away from the cryo pod. Needless to say he ran ahead of those teslas every wave to make sure he took the kills first before my teslas instead of being a good frost and using snow globe on the cryo pod. Since he could not keep up with the kills of the Vauban by the end of the wave set, he started clicking claim/battle quickly before settling upon claim (which was a common mod). By this time he was probably smirking to himself thinking I would have failed without him being there trying to get the most kills. My intentions were to stay another five waves whether he was there or not. Situations like that sucks! but if no one cared about end kill count (and honestly... there is no tangible reason to care) situations like that wouldn't happen at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dussack Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 frost rarely tops the kill charts but how many people like to play high level defense (except arguably infested) without one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldershot Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 frost rarely tops the kill charts but how many people like to play high level defense (except arguably infested) without one exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destro6677 Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share Posted July 30, 2013 frost rarely tops the kill charts but how many people like to play high level defense (except arguably infested) without one I honestly think that a lot of bad blood in this game could be avoided if everyone understood their role. Which includes understanding that the tanks and supports will never do as much raw damage with abilities as the mages/carries do. If you want to get tons of kills, play as one of the damage frames. If you're a tank, you're a tank. It's understandable that you have a bigger chance of surviving for less damage output. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus_Rex Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Well. People and their little egos are most likely the problem... +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatpig84 Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I honestly think that a lot of bad blood in this game could be avoided if everyone understood their role. Which includes understanding that the tanks and supports will never do as much raw damage with abilities as the mages/carries do. If you want to get tons of kills, play as one of the damage frames. If you're a tank, you're a tank. It's understandable that you have a bigger chance of surviving for less damage output. Except the Mage / Nuker in question is Nova. Nova experiences a large drop off in power mid to late game (level 70 and above). Nova remains relevant as she can help debuff the enemies mid to late but her damage won't be the champ anymore. It would be her high ended modded guns that see her through. While the carries abilities to carry and win the game (globe, chaos, etc) will still remain devastating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destro6677 Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share Posted July 30, 2013 Except the Mage / Nuker in question is Nova. Nova experiences a large drop off in power mid to late game (level 70 and above). Nova remains relevant as she can help debuff the enemies mid to late but her damage won't be the champ anymore. It would be her high ended modded guns that see her through. While the carries abilities to carry and win the game (globe, chaos, etc) will still remain devastating. That approaches dangerous territory (nerf/buff Nova) eyh Fatpig? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts