db1105 Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 All the people who says she needs a Nerf think about how she as designed. she is a glass cannon. her uber is nice but situtional because it needs the enemy to be crowded to work well. she has good utility like wormhole(glitchly right now). Her other ability such as null star and AM drop is useful but not used as much. I have nova maxed and i feel like she is in a good spot the way she plays.(most people who wants her nerfed says something about not fun or kill stealing that doesn't matter with xp share.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPaul7 Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Except her ult doesn't really need them to be crowded to work well. It needs a nerf to effect radius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db1105 Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share Posted July 30, 2013 Except her ult doesn't really need them to be crowded to work well. It needs a nerf to effect radius. the explosion radius with max stretch is 15m and 35m on her cast i could see how the radius could be a bit much but i feel like she is balanced on how soft her is and she can be damaged when casting any of her abilitys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuari Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Except her ult doesn't really need them to be crowded to work well. It needs a nerf to effect radius. Incorrect, having been running her since she came out, maxed out with 3 forma's and yada yada yada. She's really only useful with the ult if enemies are crowded, what you are referring to is the effect of the stretch mod in conjunction with her ult. Yes, it's powerful, but so is nyx's ult with a max range mod on it >~> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althix Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 (edited) hahahahahahahahahaha. shhhhh.... oh man. well. She is not glass cannon that's for sure. Second, in fact i don't have Null Star on my Nova. I removed it and polarized that slot for Rush mod. But my man, but you are saying that AMD is useless? Are you drunk? what 229k damage is not useful to you? maybe you should stop spamming MP? Maybe you should learn how to play Nova in the first place no? best feedback on Nova ever! Nova is mediocre and boring that is true, but your words about AMD.... still laughing. Edited July 30, 2013 by Althix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonvision Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Id say either remove the damage multiplier OR the slow from mole prime. having a ult that does massive damage, multiply damage AND slow is a tad strong. other than that, i think she's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db1105 Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share Posted July 30, 2013 hahahahahahahahahaha. shhhhh.... oh man. well. She is not glass cannon that's for sure. Second, in fact i don't have Null Star on my Nova. I removed it and polarized that slot for Rush mod. But my man, but you are saying that AMD is useless? Are you drunk? what 229k damage is not useful to you? maybe you should stop spamming MP? Maybe you should learn how to play Nova in the first place no? best feedback on Nova ever! Nova is mediocre true, but your words about AMD.... still laughing. thanks but i feel like it is weird i could shoot an enemy and it would die same way. i rarely use amd and mostly use her other abilitys. For me amd takes too long to be worth it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayden11121 Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 (edited) Knowing there are this many threads about not nerfing her, it makes you think why. First off, she is not a glass cannon, she has the speed of Loki *Almost* and has cross map transportation to avoid most encounters. Her ultimate beats all utilities really quickly in terms of damage and utility. And she has 50 armor to Volt's 10, and Volt is considered a caster. Remove Wormhole for another damage dealer, give her 10 armor, then we'll talk about glass cannon. PS: "Try her in T3 defense" She is still useful in T3 defense. She doubles damage and slows massively. If it takes until a T3 Defense for a frame to not be strong anymore then that is still considered overpowered. EDIT: Poster directly below me responded to what my PS said people respond to. Lol. Edited July 30, 2013 by Hayden11121 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goth667 Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 MP doesnt help much on those level 130 enemies. better learn to use amd to kill at least some of those. Most ppl just see her rip apart low lvl enemies and think she is op because of the range, but really it doesnt help much on high lvl enemies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althix Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 (edited) thanks but i feel like it is weird i could shoot an enemy and it would die same way. i rarely use amd and mostly use her other abilitys. For me amd takes too long to be worth it haha. that is because she have same issue that Nyx have. Nyx shines on very highlevel, but on lower levels she is just wasting affinity with her powers. Same with Nova, although it is nice to have her for leveling, when you just staying in affinity range and leeching xp. However Nova is pure DD for AMD power she have. Which is really awesome on highlevels. So your statement that AMD is useless is... well you get the idea right? P.S. AMD can also be used to troll other novas and stealing their kills, think about it. Edited July 30, 2013 by Althix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db1105 Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share Posted July 30, 2013 Knowing there are this many threads about not nerfing her, it makes you think why. First off, she is not a glass cannon, she has the speed of Loki *Almost* and has cross map transportation to avoid most encounters. Her ultimate beats all utilities really quickly in terms of damage and utility. And she has 50 armor to Volt's 10, and Volt is considered a caster. Remove Wormhole for another damage dealer, give her 10 armor, then we'll talk about glass cannon. PS: "Try her in T3 defense" She is still useful in T3 defense. She doubles damage and slows massively. If it takes until a T3 Defense for a frame to not be strong anymore then that is still considered overpowered. Well i played with other frames and have more then half of them( except rhino, nyx, sold frost because i have frost prime, Loki, Vauban, trinity and mag). I feel like she is one of the weakest in health and shield i don't have some frames so i don't know about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db1105 Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share Posted July 30, 2013 haha. that is because she have same issue that Nyx have. Nyx shines on very highlevel, but on lower levels she is just wasting affinity with her powers. Same with Nova, although it is nice to have her for leveling, when you just staying in affinity range and leeching xp. However Nova is pure DD for AMD power she have. Which is really awesome on highlevels. So your statement that AMD is useless is... well you get the idea right? P.S. AMD can also be used to troll other novas and stealing their kills, think about it. Her AMD does a good amount of damage but usually i have lag or it disappears too early for me to put to more use most of time and trolling i rarely do( take note lokis and vaubans) because i usually find no reason to do it unless someone is really thick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rand0mNumbers Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 (edited) She's fine the way she is. It's the AI rushing corridors like sardines in a can that makes her powerful (or anyone with an AOE damage skill for that matter). The debuff M-Prime applies is really useful with its range + stretch. Like most ults, it's also a great "press 4 to make the game run better" ability for when hosts get bogged down due to the sheer number of NPCs and associated effects. If it takes until a T3 Defense for a frame to not be strong anymore then that is still considered overpowered. By that definition, Nyx (Chaos), Frost (Snow Globe), Rhino (IS, Roar, Stomp), Trinity (Blessing, Link), and Vauban (Bastille) are "overpowered" since their utility is strong even at the last wave (Even Loki's ult is awesome for Grineer/Corpus defense). Nova's AM is a better damage dealer at that point as it can nuke immediate threats. M-Prme is more of a preventative measure as it doesn't always kill level 85+ enemies. Edited July 30, 2013 by Rand0mNumbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayden11121 Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Well i played with other frames and have more then half of them( except rhino, nyx, sold frost because i have frost prime, Loki, Vauban, trinity and mag). I feel like she is one of the weakest in health and shield i don't have some frames so i don't know about them. Saying "She doesn't feel like it" doesn't count for anything. Your opinion does not beat the facts. I am sorry to say this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db1105 Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share Posted July 30, 2013 Saying "She doesn't feel like it" doesn't count for anything. Your opinion does not beat the facts. I am sorry to say this. True but they sould make her invincible when she is casting Mprime and other ability i died a couple of times casting. It is like volt with overload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayden11121 Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 She's fine the way she is. It's the AI rushing corridors like sardines in a can that makes her powerful (or anyone with an AOE damage skill for that matter). The debuff M-Prime applies is really useful with its range + stretch. Like most ults, it's also a great "press 4 to make the game run better" ability for when hosts get bogged down due to the sheer number of NPCs and associated effects. By that definition, Nyx (Chaos), Frost (Snow Globe), Rhino (IS, Roar, Stomp), Trinity (Blessing, Link), and Vauban (Bastille) are "overpowered" since their utility is strong even at the last wave. Nova's AM is a better damage dealer at that point as it can nuke immediate threats. M-Prme is more of a preventative measure as it doesn't always kill level 85+ enemies. Considering she does 4x the amount of Rhino's roar to affected enemies, slows the enemies as if in frost's snowglobe, and makes them explode on death, I think you can consider her overpowered. And yes, I do think Nyx's Chaos is OP. Is it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althix Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 (edited) it is. well timed and placed. absolutely op. Edited July 30, 2013 by Althix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db1105 Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share Posted July 30, 2013 Considering she does 4x the amount of Rhino's roar to affected enemies, slows the enemies as if in frost's snowglobe, and makes them explode on death, I think you can consider her overpowered. And yes, I do think Nyx's Chaos is OP. Is it not? they nerfed that so it has a timer before it can cast again or until all the controlled enemys are dead that has been effected by chaos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althix Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 it matters not. Chaos provides too huge advantage even if DE nerfed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db1105 Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share Posted July 30, 2013 it is. well timed and placed. absolutely op. So what are good weopens for AMD? i have ogris despairs and paris prime i think they are good for it is it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althix Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 i use maxed acrid. 220% hornet strike + full damage and firerate.... 4 formas + catalyst. however as you mentioned above AMD is still broken no matter what DE are saying. It's glithing on client's side if your connection to host is not the best one. In those cases i prefer use Shee for her 650% weapon damage buff instead of Nova. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EetNotErn Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Glass cannon? I think I've only ever died once and downed only a handful of times. Also, the argument that something is "designed that way" is always a bad one. Nothing should ever be designed to be imbalanced. But eh, I don't expect her to be nerfed. DE will probably just boost the other frames to be just as OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db1105 Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share Posted July 30, 2013 Ya that and Im rank 6 and suspended at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althix Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 (edited) Nothing should ever be designed to be imbalanced. she is fine. Kiste is already difficult for her in a matter of mass murdering. And this is getting worse with each level. She is not OP frame, Vauban is. Nova is mediocre simply because damage dealing abilities is all that she have. She is also very, very boring to play. Her utility is close to zero. Volt's speed > wormhole. And she have nothing esle but speed reduction, damage buff and nuclear bomb in the pocket. I think major concern for those who wants her nerf is that they are not killing when Nova around, but this is hardly an issue given that we have other frames that can kill with one button. But those frames have utility abilities that Nova is lacking. Edited July 30, 2013 by Althix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SetAbominae Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 700 hp and 100 armor = totes glass cannon. Really. Totally. Absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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