Minaide Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 (edited) Why does this mode even exist? It completely makes redirection mod useless. This no shield mode completely nullify our hardwork we put in our warframe builds. Edited July 31, 2013 by Minaide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegarick Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 De is trolling you, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReaper94 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 No-map is anti-fun, no shield is just there to challenge people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsychedelicSnake Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Nightmare mode is something I would still consider very much in the works. DERebecca has confirmed in a similar thread that they are still working on it and making it better; removing things that are unneeded and replacing them with something better. It'll get better. Patience grasshopper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minaide Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share Posted July 31, 2013 No-map is anti-fun, no shield is just there to challenge people. i'll rather have no minimap and slowly find my way than having no shield+vampire mode and die by a touch from a boss shooting with aimbot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent_of_Change Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 I'm inclined to agree with the OP, however I think there are ways to fix it. Nightmare mode should get better over time, some manner of restriction as to how many of these effects get thrown on you at once needs to be put in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterKha Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 No shields is so much fun, it gives you the thrill of "oh S#&$ better not get hit or else i'll die" feeling. I mean that's only if you're into more challenging content. I have no problem with the new difficulty of nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inferno_Hamster Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 It makes Steel Fiber and high defense frames useful, also makes us use cover more. I always found it weird that we played more like Rambo than ninjas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketec Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 no shields is a BADBAD idea - many frames are mainly shield based, while some has decent hp and can handle 1-2 hits - specially those with high armor (lowers hp damage). But a 10 armor ~200 hp frame is a constant 1 hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alighierian Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 no-shields is fun, no-shields + vampire = not so much fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kohira Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 It makes Steel Fiber and high defense frames useful, also makes us use cover more. I always found it weird that we played more like Rambo than ninjas. Hooray for forcing players into using cover in a game without a cover system! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackFox666 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 you must be a halo player and like to hide behind shields thats cute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0Pinger Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 No shields is so much fun, it gives you the thrill of "oh S#&$ better not get hit or else i'll die" feeling. I mean that's only if you're into more challenging content. I have no problem with the new difficulty of nightmare. This is not a modern day FPS game, e.g. cover and shoot. We can't cover and shoot from it, its not built that way its about speed of movement. If this mode stays we need health dropping regularly from mobs, as it is they only come from containers, IF the mission has them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowkinz Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 I am fine with all but no map. It isn't hard it is ridiculously tedious and boring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althix Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 This no shield mode completely nullify our hardwork we put in our warframe builds. then make a new Nightmare build like i did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateodon Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 (edited) Why does this mode even exist? It completely makes redirection mod useless. This no shield mode completely nullify our hardwork we put in our warframe builds. No minimap makes enemy radar useless. Energy drain makes energy siphon nearly useless. Vampire makes rejuvenation nearly useless. Adapt. no-shields is fun, no-shields + vampire = not so much fun Vampire actually makes it easier since kills replenish your health. Until you cant find any enemies and your HP ticks down to one. No-shields + energy drain is the biggest challenge, but it's still enjoyable (even when I get steamrolled). No minimap is only frustrating when the Lotus stops giving you clues. Edited July 31, 2013 by Mateodon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordAsmolicious Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 I once had a no map- no shield on online... We pulled trough we waypointed the right direction but one guy bugged out and had shields... :DDD but i have to say no-shields makes it soo much harder. i love it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketec Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Another extra problem is that - you dont know when the shield debuff comes - so you cant change your build to match it. And regardless, some light frames already get eaten by mobs in nightmare with shields. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kippen.power Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 ok guys lets NERF nightmare mode :D :D :D :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wriith Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 (edited) I enjoy no shields in infested missions. I HATE no shields in anything else. It feels like a low blow being forced to play defensive frames so that a stray, unavoidable bullet doesn't kill me in a single hit. That's not fun; that's just a waste of revives and time. At least in infested missions when you get hit you know you messed up. You can see them coming and avoid them. Other factions just aimbot you into the ground if you're not totally built for hp and defense in mid-high nightmare missions. Also... No shields is buggy as hell. Sometimes only some party members have it. Sometimes you initially don't have it but get it after a revive. The whole thing's just an unfinished mess atm. Edited July 31, 2013 by Wriith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinker Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Since when are your nightmares fun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OaKLeYz Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 I'm actually enjoying this no shields and stuff. Finally... something different and actually challenging. I had to rethink my mods and Frame before I went into a mission. Thank you, DE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-HAKUNA-YOUR-TATAS- Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 They really should only implement no shields when vampire mode is active. I have no problem playing no shields as long as I have enemies to kill and replenish health with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown924 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 I enjoy no shields in infested missions. I HATE no shields in anything else. It feels like a low blow being forced to play defensive frames so that a stray, unavoidable bullet doesn't kill me in a single hit. That's not fun; that's just a waste of revives and time. At least in infested missions when you get hit you know you messed up. You can see them coming and avoid them. Other factions just aimbot you into the ground if you're not totally built for hp and defense in mid-high nightmare missions. Also... No shields is buggy as hell. Sometimes only some party members have it. Sometimes you initially don't have it but get it after a revive. The whole thing's just an unfinished mess atm. One cause of that might be the sentinel Guardian mod. I have had it trigger in a no-shield mission before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wriith Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 One cause of that might be the sentinel Guardian mod. I have had it trigger in a no-shield mission before. That is possible. Often times though I'll have it where some members are actively regaining shields (not through guardian) when some other party members are saddled with no shields. Losing shields upon revive is also another very odd occurrence. Could be a bug having to do with guardian, but I don't think it's that simple. We'll see, I suppose - I expect DE will at the very least fix that aspect up. I just wish they'd reconsider no shields for non-infested maps as it basically mandates you play one of three frames instead of having full range to pick from all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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