TheJiggliestPoo Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 (edited) Excalibur is getting more and more mediocre as new frames are being released. He could use some QoL buffs. Slash Dash: This skill is his best skill and is fine. Radial Blind: This skill, while seemingly good, is completely worthless. It is only useful in high level defense as in all other situations, killing the enemies is superior and easier. However, in high level defense, nobody bothers taking an excalibur due to the fact that frost/vauban/nova are pretty much the staple for defense and the last frame is usually another aoe like saryn or rhino or better cc frames such as nyx. This skill needs a complete rework. Super Jump: Super jump is not very super. It doesn't even jump high enough to proc heavy impact and is an inferior jump to nova's molecular prime jump (nova's ult jump may be a glitch). This skill should jump higher and should give the user much more control while in air. Radial Javelin: This skill used to be quite a great skill but nowadays, we have people like nova/saryn and even rhino who can pump massive AoE damage that goes through walls and doesn't have limits on the number of targets it can hit. Currently, Radial Javelin does not puncture enemies or objects and cannot even target enemies below you. The javelins should be able to target enemies below and puncture enemies, considering the size and speed of the javelins. At the very least it should act like bows and knock enemies back into other enemies causing damage. Shield Lancers also block this ability which should not be happening. *Edit* Apparently super jump scales with Focus and not continuity/stretch. It should really act more like slash dash and scale with continuity. This way it doesn't even need to be buffed. *Edit 2* Excalibur's mobility does not carry him as other frames have very good mobility already such as volt and nova. This isn't even accounting for dual zorens. In addition, unless you're rushing through a level solo, when you have a team there is absolutely no point in rushing ahead of everyone else. You or your team will miss out on experience, if you get to the end you still have to wait, if its a boss run you end up either waiting or soloing the boss in which case you should've just been soloing in the first place. Edited August 1, 2013 by TheJiggliestPoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsychedelicSnake Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 I kick &#! with Excalibur all the time in high level missions though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KvotheTheArcane1 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 (edited) Radial Blind: This skill, while seemingly good, is completely worthless. It is only useful in high level defense as in all other situations, killing the enemies is superior and easier. However, in high level defense, nobody bothers taking an excalibur due to the fact that frost/vauban/nova are pretty much the staple for defense and the last frame is usually another aoe like saryn or rhino or better cc frames such as nyx. This skill needs a complete rework. Heh, I laughed because it's NOT easier to kill all enemies than to CC them for a bit in high levels. Grineer are blinded for 5 seconds, everyone else for 12, that's pretty good considering the range of 14m for 50 energy. In high tier defense, excal might not be good, but this skill prevents him from being terrible though. Radial Javelin: This skill used to be quite a great skill but nowadays, we have people like nova/saryn and even rhino who can pump massive AoE damage that goes through walls and doesn't have limits on the number of targets it can hit. Currently, Radial Javelin does not puncture enemies or objects and cannot even target enemies below you. The javelins should be able to target enemies below and puncture enemies, considering the size and speed of the javelins. At the very least it should act like bows and knock enemies back into other enemies causing damage. Ever seen a mag + an excal one shot any boss ever? True, it looks like it should puncture though or stagger. Edited August 1, 2013 by KvotheTheArcane1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfroGamerNinja Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Radial Javelin ignores armor, just so you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clessiah Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 I use Super Jump(Rank 2) with Heavy Impact and Ogris all the time. My Excalibur is an airstrike machine. Radial Blind is good and useful. Other than the few warframes you have named no other warframe has a skill like this. Radial Javelin is a fine ult that's simply overshadowed by Slash Dash. If you really want to use how powerful the ult is to define how good a warframe is, 13 out of 14 warframes will be utterly useless for not being "the best" and no one will ever be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparrohawk Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Have you ever seen an Excal do a Super Jump-Slash Dash combo to get to someplace, leaving you about 100m behind in walking terms? That's what I call QoL, along with perfect irritation potential. My brother would do this constantly, leaving me huffing and panting along a few tiles back watching the Affinity points flare on the screen. Considering it was the first 'frame they ever made, I'd say it's doing pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfroGamerNinja Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Have you ever seen an Excal do a Super Jump-Slash Dash combo to get to someplace, leaving you about 100m behind in walking terms? That's what I call QoL, along with perfect irritation potential. My brother would do this constantly, leaving me huffing and panting along a few tiles back watching the Affinity points flare on the screen. Considering it was the first 'frame they ever made, I'd say it's doing pretty well. Ironically, Excalibur is the most mobile Warframe you'll ever see. I mean, how many frames have vertical mobility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clessiah Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Ironically, Excalibur is the most mobile Warframe you'll ever see. I mean, how many frames have vertical mobility? Nova. Vauban. Loki to certain degree. But none for 10 energy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticVice777 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 (edited) I think the jack-of-all-trades, mediocre-in-all title belongs to Mag, even with her buff/revamp. Excalibur's still an excellent starter Warframe and can still hold his ground on the higher levels. Sure, he isn't that good at defense compared to other frames, but his excellent first and second abilities (at least) compensate for such. I believe Excalibur, Vauban, and Rhino are currently the only Warframes that can legitimately equip all their abilities into the mod slots without significantly impacting the team negatively. Edited August 1, 2013 by ChaoticVice777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboDoge Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 He is jack of all trades. So that makes him kinda lacking in every aspect, but as you suggested he is mix of everything and he cannot be good as other frames that specialize in one field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maou Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Excalibur not only excel in mobility, but his pretty nice to use in duels, my brother mains him just doing the super jump following up on slash dash is extremely annoying and effective. for a standard frame his quite ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparrohawk Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Ironically, Excalibur is the most mobile Warframe you'll ever see. I mean, how many frames have vertical mobility? Not to mention that his mobility stems from the fact that he looks like he's farting energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatpig84 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Slash dash = Fine. Really. Radial Blind = Can use a little tweak like a small increase in range and let it be affected by Continuity. So it makes the V slot on E-Prime more useful. Super jump = a high end mobility skill when combo with Slash Dash. But a small tweak would be let be usable in the air ! Radial Javelin = A risky 4 to pull off which I try not to use. A reduction in recovery time would be great though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJiggliestPoo Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share Posted August 1, 2013 Radial Blind: This skill, while seemingly good, is completely worthless. It is only useful in high level defense as in all other situations, killing the enemies is superior and easier. However, in high level defense, nobody bothers taking an excalibur due to the fact that frost/vauban/nova are pretty much the staple for defense and the last frame is usually another aoe like saryn or rhino or better cc frames such as nyx. This skill needs a complete rework. Heh, I laughed because it's NOT easier to kill all enemies than to CC them for a bit in high levels. Grineer are blinded for 5 seconds, everyone else for 12, that's pretty good considering the range of 14m for 50 energy. In high tier defense, excal might not be good, but this skill prevents him from being terrible though. Radial Javelin: This skill used to be quite a great skill but nowadays, we have people like nova/saryn and even rhino who can pump massive AoE damage that goes through walls and doesn't have limits on the number of targets it can hit. Currently, Radial Javelin does not puncture enemies or objects and cannot even target enemies below you. The javelins should be able to target enemies below and puncture enemies, considering the size and speed of the javelins. At the very least it should act like bows and knock enemies back into other enemies causing damage. Ever seen a mag + an excal one shot any boss ever? True, it looks like it should puncture though or stagger. It is actually easier to kill than cc in high level defense due to the staple being Vauban/Frost/Nova/Saryn or Rhino or Nyx. Nyx has a much better CC, Rihno gets a damage buff + stomp for easy kills, which is all boosted by Nova ult btw. There's a reason why Excalibur doesn't get picked. Mag + Ex's combo is a gimmick that is rarely run for boss fights. Have you seen Rhino soloing the boss with a supra? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJiggliestPoo Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share Posted August 1, 2013 Radial Javelin ignores armor, just so you know. So does Saryn's ult, which goes through walls and enemies and doesn't have a limit. Nova's ult, while not armor ignore, can easily do high damage due to the chain explosion effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJiggliestPoo Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share Posted August 1, 2013 Have you ever seen an Excal do a Super Jump-Slash Dash combo to get to someplace, leaving you about 100m behind in walking terms? That's what I call QoL, along with perfect irritation potential. My brother would do this constantly, leaving me huffing and panting along a few tiles back watching the Affinity points flare on the screen. Considering it was the first 'frame they ever made, I'd say it's doing pretty well. You can also speed through areas using dual zoren helicopter or using nova's wormhole. Being able to speed through a place does not make up for Excalibur being mediocre. Do you ever see anyone asking for an excalibur even as a 4th pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJiggliestPoo Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share Posted August 1, 2013 Ironically, Excalibur is the most mobile Warframe you'll ever see. I mean, how many frames have vertical mobility? Nova's faster and can go higher. Dual zorens make up for horizontal mobility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJiggliestPoo Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share Posted August 1, 2013 Do you people seriously think that Excalibur can live up to other high-god tier frames? You guys really don't want any buffs on this guy do you? :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatpig84 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 (edited) You can also speed through areas using dual zoren helicopter or using nova's wormhole. Being able to speed through a place does not make up for Excalibur being mediocre. Do you ever see anyone asking for an excalibur even as a 4th pick? You can zorencopter in mid air then slash dash, you know that right ? Super jump has a temp CC immunity like most of Excals skills (except Javelin), so you can jump even if surrounded by infested. But having said, that I still want buffs on him. Granted it is fun to have him zipping all around the place, but that's about it. Edited August 1, 2013 by fatpig84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJiggliestPoo Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share Posted August 1, 2013 You can zorencopter in mid air then slash dash, you know that right ? Super jump has a temp CC immunity like most of Excals skills (except Javelin), so you can jump even if surrounded by infested. But having said, that I still want buffs on him. Granted it is fun to have him zipping all around the place, but that's about it. I do know that. I've been doing it all day kappa farming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KvotheTheArcane1 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 It is actually easier to kill than cc in high level defense due to the staple being Vauban/Frost/Nova/Saryn or Rhino or Nyx. Nyx has a much better CC, Rihno gets a damage buff + stomp for easy kills, which is all boosted by Nova ult btw. There's a reason why Excalibur doesn't get picked. Mag + Ex's combo is a gimmick that is rarely run for boss fights. Have you seen Rhino soloing the boss with a supra? "It is actually easier to kill than cc in high level defense due to the staple being Vauban/Frost/Nova/Saryn or Rhino or Nyx." You understand all of that is CC right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oizen Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Excali is meant to suck. ._. Pretty sure he's meant for beginners only. I guess if you really wanted to drag him into high levels it could work. But seems like a waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatpig84 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Excali is meant to suck. ._. Pretty sure he's meant for beginners only. I guess if you really wanted to drag him into high levels it could work. But seems like a waste. Excal Prime and Excal are still my most used frames, he is usable in high levels, but just not def if your team is planning to get pass wave 35. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clessiah Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Why use high level defense alone to define how good a warframe is? That's only like 8% of the game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatpig84 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 (edited) Why use high level defense alone to define how good a warframe is? That's only like 8% of the game! I never rate a frame according to its use in high defence wave. Ash has being called out for being weak in high defense games, but he and loki were among the first few frames to solo run T3 exterminate due to their inherent stealthy skills. He also has the biggest 15 second invulnerability, which is even longer than Rhino now in high end games. Edited August 1, 2013 by fatpig84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now