SirWranwrap Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) Hey so with the advent of easy reporting brought recently to the PC the inevitable "If you don't start doing X (X being play the game, play the frame I want you to etc) I'll report you." is bound to occur. Warframe has a decently mature community when it comes to player interaction (sure region chats can be a cesspool but that's a given for mmos) but we need to make sure the reports aren't weapons to be misused. Generally, if you need to scream at someone saying you're going to report them you are attempting to control them and probably equally guilty of harassment. So in overwatch they have implemented a failed report system that is banning people based on a number of reports they receive automatically. This doesn't work and don't bring it here. Trolls are 100x more likely to report someone than a calm player who will simply block the offender in most cases. As can be seen here, please read the OP of this thread as it shows what is happening: https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20759568420?page=1 So this is just a word of caution to the devs to avoid bringing a similar system here. Player moderation and bans are needed but if you give a nuke to a bad guy he's going to be the first one to fire it. Edit: See page 2 for the complete text of the linked post. Added since blizzard tends to resort to community censorship when things light up and this thread is certain to 'disappear' even though it was already edited by a moderator. Edited December 12, 2017 by SirWranwrap 404 not found Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomsknightmare Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 THAT SOUNDS TERRIFYING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forsenK Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Except Warframe clearly states that false reports WILL affect your account and would even get you completely suspended. Overwatch doesn't have this feature, and Activision blizzard doesn't care about players anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--RV--Meta Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) Ok, while DE may not be the perfect developer team, they're a far cry above generally everyone else out there when it comes to trying to keep the playerbase in mind when they decide on what kind of changes to implement. Sure, they like to experiment with crazy ideas, and sometimes they don't all pan out the way they hoped, but they've never seemed to be the kind of devs to look at something they KNOW will not work and force it through because it means less work for them. Also, you hear them comment quite often on how regularly they check up on what other developers/studios are doing, and what works, and what doesn't work, so it's not like they're shooting from the hip on that front, either. If there's anything to be afraid of with DE right now, it's that they're going to overwork themselves until they can't take it anymore and start dropping like Canadian flies--either retiring early or taking lengthy vacations and hitting the pause button on Warframe. ~In addition~ I've only ever had positive experiences with Zendesk (Warframe's support team), though I've heard smatterings of complaints against them, it's usually something like "I submitted my ticket 1 hour ago and it hasn't been addressed yet! REEEE (on Sunday night)" I dunno...maybe it's partly due to how I always try to be positive and respectful, clear and concise, when dealing with the folks at Zendesk, but I'd like to think it's because they're working their hardest to resolve the tens of thousands of issues that pop up on a weekly basis (if not daily). Edited December 12, 2017 by Meta_Nexus More. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizzarugi Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 I would like if DE were to add an ingame report system, but not a purely automated system like what Blizzard implemented. Issues like this need to be handled in person, not relegated to some kind of algorithm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
low1991 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 16 minutes ago, SirWranwrap said: Warframe has a decently mature community when it comes to player interaction (sure region chats can be a cesspool but that's a given for mmos) but we need to make sure the reports aren't weapons to be misused. I dont think our community (PvE + some PvP) is in any ways better then Overwatch community (PvP). Seeing almost all PvP community or the game has some PvP elements in it are as toxic as other PvP. 16 minutes ago, SirWranwrap said: So in overwatch they have implemented a failed report system that is banning people based on a number of reports they receive automatically. Wow, so a clan/group of trolls can ban other innocent players as they are GMs. Fail... Thanks for heads up. Our community will remain less toxic if there's isn't any ban-S#&$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)supernova_girlie Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 This is why many of us choose to play by ourselves. I can't count how many times I go to a public survival and people complain because I don't want to sit there and watch them Hydroid everything. Recruit chat is for setting up specific groups for farming. With a report system, I see that I'm going to have to go solo for now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyoresh Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, low1991 said: Wow, so a clan/group of trolls can ban other innocent players as they are GMs. Fail... Thanks for heads up. Our community will remain less toxic if there's isn't any ban-S#&$. Lol, not at all. The numbers for this are in the high hundreds, probably thousands. I love it when uninformed people talk about topics that they dont know anything about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDxBarracka Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Yeah i left overwatch for this reason Getting threaten by other players for a class you want to play and getting suspended over that is not my cup of tea. If they want their super elite group , they they should make their own group and not rely on *RANDOMS to fill their needs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jivy Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 i heard you can get reported for just being afk? wtf first of all why is that even a thing and 2nd of all why not just implement a kick system instead i mean seriously that will save u alot of work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvelous_A Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 As an Overwatch player I chose to completely stay out of comp, which has been proved to be a wise decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyoresh Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 18 minutes ago, Jivy said: i heard you can get reported for just being afk? wtf first of all why is that even a thing and 2nd of all why not just implement a kick system instead i mean seriously that will save u alot of work Why would you start agame and then go afk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindigoTG Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Knowing DE, I expect report system going in two directions: 1) It being purely for show, with no one actually looking at these reports and doing anything about it. 2) Autobans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindigoTG Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Just now, Kyoresh said: Why would you start agame and then go afk? A phone call? A door bell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airwolfen Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 OW clearly missed a crucial step in their implementation of the system, data collection. First you collect data without the system in place so you can extract all the possible abuse cases before you enter that info into your learning bot. League of legends may not be known for a clean gaming environment and community behaving like angels BUT. they had a player driven review system for years and at a point replaced it with a bot system without many of the abuse issues because they were already filtered out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jivy Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 14 minutes ago, Kyoresh said: Why would you start agame and then go afk? because some pepole have lives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyoresh Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, Jivy said: because some pepole have lives? Thats the most stupid argument you could have brought......If you cant time your "life" well enough to have 20 minutes of time before you have to go(for longer then a phone call) you shouldn't play any public online games, because that ruins the experience for everyone else in your group that has to carry you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achernaerii Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 8 minutes ago, Jivy said: because some pepole have lives? What a response! So you think "Nekros mains" can't go AFK? Oh well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IllumiMahdi Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) The game's communities are completely different however; Warframe is a co-op third person shooter Overwatch is a competitive first person shooter Warframe is 4 people per squad so you can't really do much damage to the person you report. Edited December 12, 2017 by IllumiMahdi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airwolfen Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, Jivy said: because some pepole have lives? people also have a team in the game and its scummy to leave them behind. Its generally pretty easy to distinguish a player who genuinely wants to play compared the the reportable offence that is leeching. All in all when life calls and you are near the start of a mission. Be civilized and leave so the squad can get a member who is not standing around doing nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)watt4hem Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 There are people who afk because stuff happens, okay. Then there are people who literally joins a game, afk near the gate, then bail as soon as the bounty is completed. The second kind of afker can go burn in hell. (Not because i mind soloing hounties, but because they act with S#&$ty manner) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Spartan Roks Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 *Comes from that very thread to the Warframe forums* Yeah, as a overwatch player since open beta with 500+ hours logged in and started warframe during halloween this year, I think Warframe deserves best ongoing game. At least the report feature isn't broken, the community's nice, and DE doesn't feel that much hostile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-_Highlander_- Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Overwatch .. Destiny 2 An big fail to begin with.. did you saw what is happing now with Destiny 2 (DLC) one big dissaster is comming up .. and that after the game awards ---- This is why warrframe have should win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)robotwars7 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 who cares... now that they won an award the Overwatch Devs will probably slack off and half-a$$ their way through minor content updates to keep the kids playing. as long as DE don't make silly decisions I'm fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Evilpricetag Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 5 hours ago, SirWranwrap said: So in overwatch they have implemented a failed report system that is banning people based on a number of reports they receive automatically. This doesn't work and don't bring it here. Trolls are 100x more likely to report someone than a calm player who will simply block the offender in most cases. I'm a little shocked they developed a system that was around in the 80's or so. In unmonitored chatrooms. Next they will pay for the distance their arrow has to travel via data links. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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