-TSA-Ehrensalut Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 (edited) Hello everybody, I just got Vauban 2 days ago. I think he is a warframe with potencial, but could need some buffs. For me just 2 things. I think there were some other threads like this, so excuse me please, when it's annoying to read. 1: Shield-capacity - Vauban is a engineer... I guess. So why can't he improve his own shield? I mean, he have low shields and even low armor. 2: Vortex - It's an awesome idea for an ultimate. But even with mods it's too hard kill someone with it. Let's have a look at other frames: Volt - Ulti means death to most enemys. | Rhino - Stomp is also incredible deathly. | Nova - Nothin' more to say. | Frost - Deadly aswell. Back to Vortex - It makes damage time to time, okay. But it's definitly to low for an ultimate ability. It's unmodded not very deadly to a level 20 MOA. So this is my thinking about Vauban. The rest is pretty cool, but without some improvements it's already too hard to play him solo. I hope, you think the same. Greetings, Ehrensalut Edited August 2, 2013 by Ehrensalut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsychedelicSnake Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Ultimates for utility frames like Trinity, Loki and Vauban are just that: a utility. They're not meant to be a "Press 4 to kill everything" ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-TSA-Ehrensalut Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share Posted August 1, 2013 Maybe it's an utility, yes. But let's take a look at the description: "Creates a whirling mass of energy that violently attracts nearby enemies, crushing their atoms into a tiny spec of matter." - For me, it hears pretty deadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shion963 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 1- put a Redirection mod. Use Bastille. Throw some Vortexes. He doesn't need a lot of shields to survive. 2- Vortex might not be the best damage dealer, but it's heads-and-shoulders better later on, compared to direct damage ubers once those can't outright kill anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybridon Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Lets give press 4 button to all frames, surely thats the way people seem to be heading to on wf. Use Vortex with Novas Molecular Prime... and theres other great combos with his vortex, like Torid, or Ogris. Dont change whats working perfectly fine, he is meant to be squishy and for you to use his utility abilities, and not mindlessly press 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofRobin73 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Vauban doesn't need higher shields because he isn't a frontline frame. He's support and should let the DPS frames take the lead so he doesn't get shot as much. Vortex is a utility ultimate, not a kill everything ultimate. It's used to pull a whole bunch of enemies to 1 spot where they are not only damaged by the vortex, but they are like fish in a barrel for everyone who is shooting at them. It prevents enemies from advancing and is a very useful ability. I'd have to disagree with you. Vauban is one of the best frames out right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-TSA-Ehrensalut Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share Posted August 1, 2013 (edited) Alright, maybe I missunderstood the meaning of "Vortex". But I still insist on the shields. Even Ash, the stealthy one, have more shields then Vauban, a energy-based engineer-warframe. Edited August 1, 2013 by Ehrensalut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basilioss Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 His ult can kill Level 40 Grineer, and from what I have seen it also ignores armor. Also, it was meant to CC. His ult can hold heavies in place for 20 secs if modded correctly. Also, Engineers aren't tanks. His low shields counteract his epic CC abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-TSA-Ehrensalut Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share Posted August 1, 2013 I never thought about to make him to an ultimate "press-4-to-death-and-tank-the-S#&$-out"-Warframe. Just to improve a little bit. Alright, Vortex -> CC, clearly, short and good explanation. But maybe just push up the shields a bit? Don't must be from 75 to 150, no way. Just maybe up to 100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volt_Cruelerz Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Overload really only touches Corpus. Beyond that, Vauban's a CC-trap frame, not a damage frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofRobin73 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Overload really only touches Corpus. Correction for overall clarity. Don't take it personal. I think you mean Tesla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofRobin73 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 I never thought about to make him to an ultimate "press-4-to-death-and-tank-the-S#&$-out"-Warframe. Just to improve a little bit. Alright, Vortex -> CC, clearly, short and good explanation. But maybe just push up the shields a bit? Don't must be from 75 to 150, no way. Just maybe up to 100. I do agree a little on vortex. It would be nice to have some more range on it without having to put a stretch mod on Vauban. Also, yes the shields are pretty low and it might be nice to have them bumped up a little, but I don't think Vauban needs to become any more powerful than he already is. That +25 on shields amplifies much higher with redirection. Now that said, I'm not sure how much. I haven't done the math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mietz Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 "Vauban | Could Need Some Improvements." Now what could the hands-down best Warframe in the game need? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doubtfulblaze Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Is there any reason to use Vortex over Bastille? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volt_Cruelerz Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Correction for overall clarity. Don't take it personal. I think you mean Tesla Nope. He mentioned Overload in the OP. I was addressing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-TSA-Ehrensalut Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share Posted August 1, 2013 (edited) Alright... maybe I should better explain, what I mean. 1: Vortex - Was it the descrition on mainpage or the Warframe-Profile: It was every time called deadly. "...crushing their atoms into a tiny spec of matter." (Mainpage) or "...crushing their atoms into singularity and blinking them out of existence." (Warframe-Profile) I just mean this. It's called being deadly from the creators, but it isn't such deadly as I expected. 2: Shields - I still think he is an engineer which is based on energy. So it would be logical to me, that he even improve his shields himself, which depends on energy. Sorry that I don't think the same as the most of you. But this is my opinion and I actually gets rejected like "the fool that have no idea". It's just an opinion. Edited August 1, 2013 by Ehrensalut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybridon Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Is there any reason to use Vortex over Bastille? Combine it with Novas Molecular Prime mate, you get all explosions close up together dealing higher damage. A well modded vauban can easily have Bastille up along with 2 Vortexes up to cramp up enemies and get them fireworks with Molecular Prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofRobin73 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Nope. He mentioned Overload in the OP. I was addressing that. Ah, okay sorry. The wording made me think you were talking about Vauban in the first bit too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybridon Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Alright... maybe I should better explain, what I mean. 1: Vortex - Was it the descrition on mainpage or the Warframe-Profile: It was every time called deadly. "...crushing their atoms into a tiny spec of matter." (Mainpage) or "...crushing their atoms into singularity and blinking them out of existence." (Warframe-Profile) I just mean this. It's called being deadly from the creators, but it isn't such deadly as I expected. 2: Shields - I still think he is an engineer which is based on energy. So it would be logical to me, that he even improve his shields himself, which depends on energy. Sorry that I don't think the same as the most of you. But this is my opinion and I actually gets rejected like "the fool that have no idea". It's just an opinion. Shields arent based on energy. He has low shields so you have to play him smartly, in the backline, putting up traps so your teammates do the heavy cleaning job, as they march up in the frontline with there tanky frames. He has low shields exactly to make you play him smart, if he had higher shields it would ruin the trap themed warframe they designed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-TSA-Ehrensalut Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share Posted August 1, 2013 Hybridon, I know that you have to play him smart. I don't even think he is too low. Vauban is still an awesome Frame. But sometimes I just want to play SP. And it's... suboptimal when there is a group of grineer/corpus behind the next door, if you play SP. "Then don't play him SP." - I expect this answer. And please don't... And just by the way... you have shields, armor and life. Life is essential, armor is material and shields are immaterial (Should be based on energy). I don't want to argue about that, but on what is it based then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeopetsMaster4432 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Vauban is pretty fine where he is, his utility more than makes up for his lower damage. His Bastile can be a huge damage reduction, so it makes sense for him to have lower shields and armor.If everything were buffed to Nova's level, this game wouldn't last very long. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-TSA-Ehrensalut Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share Posted August 1, 2013 (edited) @NeopetsMaster: I totally respect and agree with your opinion. I even think, that he is fine where he is. But in some situations he is hard to play. Specially, when I play him Solo. For that, I had the ideas. Edited August 1, 2013 by Ehrensalut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basilioss Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 @NeopetsMaster: I totally respect and agree with your opinion. I even think, that he is fine where he is. But in some situations he is hard to play. Specially, when I play him Solo. For that, I had the ideas.Not sure how he is hard to play in solo. Oh no! A bunch of enemies are coming!*Presses 3 to make everything in a 13m radius levitate* Like really... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybridon Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 @NeopetsMaster: I totally respect and agree with your opinion. I even think, that he is fine where he is. But in some situations he is hard to play. Specially, when I play him Solo. For that, I had the ideas. Thats what you should be happy about, the challenge when using such a good frame. The moment you make his shields better is the moment you start losing the challenge when using him against shooting factions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doubtfulblaze Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 Combine it with Novas Molecular Prime mate, you get all explosions close up together dealing higher damage. A well modded vauban can easily have Bastille up along with 2 Vortexes up to cramp up enemies and get them fireworks with Molecular Prime. So only if there's a Nova on your team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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