New Style Of Frame

[Draxxon]

All of our current frames are bipedal at the moment. I don't mean this as a criticism, and it makes perfect sense as all people are bipedal.

I've thought that maybe it would be cool to make some "four legged" frames. Some of the trade-offs could be faster forward movement, but slower strafing. Also I'd imagine they would be rather good at jumping. I don't think this is too strange for this game, seeing as many of the frames are already inspired my natural things such as animals and insects. This would simply be one step further.

The problem of needing your hands to fire guns could be solved Jet Force Gemini style.

http://lparchive.org/Jet-Force-Gemini/Images/6-lupus.png

-edit- [This is an example of how guns would work. NOT a suggestion to put other species that aren't bipedal in frames. These would be designed so as to allow someone much faster movement. Utilizing 4 limbs to do so. Ninja's generally prefer keeping mobilty with their lethal weaponry and this would be one more step in the mobility direction. It could be a new Tenno innovation or one that was simply not well known and forgotten. I don't really care how the lore let's it fit or not. If it matters that much to you, please by all means make suggestions.]

I can't think of a way to implement current melee weapons that would seem fair, but each quadrupedal frame could possibly have it's own form of melee attack that shows up in the melee slot so you can add melee mods. I'd imagine they should be pretty good if you can't use your regular melee weapons. I dunno about but I think a leap melee attack that pins an enemy up to a certain size below you and allows you give them a nice face-lift with some laser claws or whatever your frame has.

I think they should come in light, medium and heavy frames like our currents ones do too, but probably less armor due to their mobile advantage. I don't imagine the light ones going below 10 armor though. The tanky frames could probably have 100 armor and the medium ones 20-40.

Any thoughts on this, questions or additional ideas to improve this? I literally just thought of this while browsing the forum and thought I should share.

PS. I just thought of another idea that changes this drastically and I can understand people not wanting a whole new type of frames taking up their inventory and whatnot. It would also be a shame to have to reuse animals that and things that are already inspiration for current frames.

Instead of entirely new frames, this could be a type of melee weapon that transforms your current frame into a quadrupedal version of the frame. Stats changed and all.

edit - If DE believes this idea to be something that doesn't fit in Warframe's style, I could accept that as final. However, if you are not DE, I'll ignore any post that says that. You don't make the game, then you don't decide what fits into its style.

Edited August 4, 2013 by Draxxon

[Angius]

So, apparently we are not humanoids? Or there are two types of Tenno? Same specie, but one got two legs, and another got four?

No, not really.

[Draxxon]

So, apparently we are not humanoids? Or there are two types of Tenno? Same specie, but one got two legs, and another got four?

No, not really.

Think in sci-fi, not bro.

This is a game about ninjas wearing armored suits that conform to their body and don't act like normal metal we know of. This and they project force fields, enhance vitality, and manipulate the universe for combat.

Get on your hands and feet, frame has arm extensions so you don't have your rear sticking in the air. Use some imagination. I didn't think I would have visually describe how it would work to every Joe Blow.

[Angius]

Ninja. You are right.
I've never saw bear-ninja. Or dog-ninja. So it looks like you need hands to be a ninja.

Besides. LORE"
Ever heard of that?
We are TENNO, ancient warriors. HUMANOID warriors. Period.
We are NOT four-legged aliens. Nor four-legged biomechanical constructs.

 

I'm trying to use my imagination, and I can imagine, that your idea doesn't fit the lore.

 

And why would I want to fight on my four limbs? It's not effective way to fight!
Go ahead, grab something in your hands, so you can get on your feet and hands without rear sticking in the air. And try to walk. Heh, try to run! Try to jump?
Using two limbs for walking is a lot more effective and natural. So why do we need quadripedal frames, besides "ME WANT IT"?

Edited August 4, 2013 by Angius

[Draxxon]

Ninja. You are right.

I've never saw bear-ninja. Or dog-ninja. So it looks like you need hands to be a ninja.

Besides. LORE"

Ever heard of that?

We are TENNO, ancient warriors. HUMANOID warriors. Period.

We are NOT four-legged aliens. Nor four-legged biomechanical constructs.

 

I'm trying to use my imagination, and I can imagine, that your idea doesn't fit the lore.

The lore is still being worked on, and we have a rhino frame, a reptilian frame, a mantis looking frame, so who cares if you haven't seen a bearframe. What if there just isn't one yet? Technically anything the developers haven't come up with yet doesn't fit the lore. The games not done yet.

[Jett]

Ninja. You are right.

I've never saw bear-ninja. Or dog-ninja. So it looks like you need hands to be a ninja.

Besides. LORE"

Ever heard of that?

We are TENNO, ancient warriors. HUMANOID warriors. Period.

We are NOT four-legged aliens. Nor four-legged biomechanical constructs.

 

 

i completely agree, this idea could not fit in to the lore at all.

[Angius]

Nor lore, nor playstyle. How the hell are we supposed to do the missions looking like toddlers in bio-suits?

Edited August 4, 2013 by Angius

[Draxxon]

Nor lore, nor playstyle. How the hell are we supposed to do the missions looking like toddlers in bio-suits?

You ask me to improve my argument and explain why I want this. I want this because it would change some play mechanics around for people who want it. It could allow for news styles of play and possibly expand uniqueness among frames so they don't seem too samey. It adds variety, etc... I don't need to do this, if you don't see it that way, that's fine. However you haven't exactly argued very well in this. In fact your criticisms are far from constructive. Your only argument is that YOU think it doesn't fit the lore at the moment, which is a moot point, because you don't write the lore. The closest thing you have to an argument against this is a "I don't think we should have this because I think it's stupid." That's called a pure opinion. It doesn't help the conversation progress. It doesn't address any of my ideas, change them, or say why they wouldn't work well in game. Your argument has no floor under it. It's about to fall unless you change your approach.

[Trollin4ThePrimes]

I don't want any dog or cat frames in this game. Adding a 4-legged frame not only makes no sense from the lore but also opens this option up, or at least makes it bigger threat. WARFRAME IS NOT A ANIME.

Plus the picture you linked is just un-explainable, so confused its...please just no...

 

Also DE does not respond personally to you... Thankfully since their not a horrible company like EA, they lesson to the community, if you are the only one that likes it which this thread shows then its probably not a good idea for the game.

Edited August 4, 2013 by dadgoat

[Angius]

You ask me to improve my argument and explain why I want this. I want this because it would change some play mechanics around for people who want it. It could allow for news styles of play and possibly expand uniqueness among frames so they don't seem too samey. It adds variety, etc... I don't need to do this, if you don't see it that way, that's fine. However you haven't exactly argued very well in this. In fact your criticisms are far from constructive. Your only argument is that YOU think it doesn't fit the lore at the moment, which is a moot point, because you don't write the lore. The closest thing you have to an argument against this is a "I don't think we should have this because I think it's stupid." That's called a pure opinion. It doesn't help the conversation progress. It doesn't address any of my ideas, change them, or say why they wouldn't work well in game. Your argument has no floor under it. It's about to fall unless you change your approach.

Well, I see only one person who wants four-legged frames at the moment - you. So it's not like a big part of community wants it, is it?

And your only argument is that YOU think, that it'll fit this game and people will like it.

And no, I don't write the lore, DE writes it. And they said "we are humanoid warriors". And thus we are.

Besides, I can tell:

I want a frame, with crystal head, tentacles, glowing eyes, and... Oh, make it look like Tentacruel from Pokemon. Why? I want this because it would change some play mechanics around for people who want it. It could allow for news styles of play and possibly expand uniqueness among frames so they don't seem too samey. It adds variety, etc... I don't need to do this, if you don't see it that way, that's fine.

 

So, let's think about more tenno sub-species! Because why not? DE can change the lore! We can become archangels! Why not!

Edited August 4, 2013 by Angius

[Draxxon]

LOL Two people putting words in my mouth and spouting things they don't want that I didn't say. Did I mention dogs or cats specifically? Did I say that they would look like stupid babies? Who's to say a 4 legged frame wouldn't look awesome and sleek. If your imagination isn't good enough to show a cool looking 4 legged frame, then stop thinking about that aspect. Chances are if you like the way things look in this game, it wouldn't surprise me if DE could come up with awesome looking stuff that would make all of you eat your words. I currently quite like the visual styling of this game and I have no doubt in my mind DE would do this idea justice, which is another reason I want this.

Edited August 4, 2013 by Draxxon

[Angius]

LOL Two people putting words in my mouth and spouting things they don't want that I didn't say. Did I mention dogs or cats specifically? Did I say that they would look like stupid babies? Who's to say a 4 legged frame wouldn't look awesome and sleek. If your imagination isn't good enough to show a cool looking 4 legged frame, then stop thinking about that aspect. Chances are if you like the way things look in this game, it wouldn't surprise me if DE could come up with awesome looking stuff that would make all of you eat your words. I currently quite like the visual styling of this game and I have no doubt in my mind DE would do this idea justice, which is another reason I want this.

Don't talk about our imagination. You wanted discussion, so discuss. We are giving you arguments against this idea, reply.

[Draxxon]

Well, I see only one person who wants four-legged frames at the moment - you. So it's not like a big part of community wants it, is it?

And your only argument is that YOU think, that it'll fit this game and people will like it.

And no, I don't write the lore, DE writes it. And they said "we are humanoid warriors". And thus we are.

Besides, I can tell:

I want a frame, with crystal head, tentacles, glowing eyes, and... Oh, make it look like Tentacruel from Pokemon. Why? I want this because it would change some play mechanics around for people who want it. It could allow for news styles of play and possibly expand uniqueness among frames so they don't seem too samey. It adds variety, etc... I don't need to do this, if you don't see it that way, that's fine.

 

So, let's think about more tenno sub-species! Because why not? DE can change the lore! We can become archangels! Why not!

Since when have people actually known anything about they want until they've had a taste or some sort of sample of it first to know what it's like.

Nice of you to assume I'm some soft of anime-obsessed weeaboo because I'm defending my idea of adding 4 legged frames to the game. Good job showing your true colors. You're a troll and your opinion no longer deserves any more replies after this. Please by all means keep bringing up ridiculous things I didn't say or hint to.

Edited August 4, 2013 by Draxxon

[Angius]

Since when have people actually known anything about they want until they've had a taste or some sort of sample of it first to know what it's like.

Nice of you to assume I'm some soft of anime-obsessed weeaboo because I'm defending my idea of adding 4 legged frames to the game. Good job showing your true colors. You're a troll and your opinion no longer deserves any more replies after this. Please by all means keep bringing up ridiculous things I didn't say or hint to.

Looks like someone is angry enough to not to discuss, but to start some kind of flamewar? Oh well, I guess I knew that's what gonna happen...

 

And - you know what? I've never played as an animal in any shooter game. And still, somehow I know, that I won't like it.

Edited August 4, 2013 by Angius

[Draxxon]

Looks like someone is angry enough to not to discuss, but to start some kind of flamewar? Oh well, I guess I knew that's what gonna happen...

This has nothing to do with anger. Now either you really are a troll trying to provoke me into responding so you can engage your argument with me again, or you suddenly realized how much your other post made your sound like a jerk.

I decided to discontinue the previous argument for reasons I've stated in previous posts. You aren't giving constructive criticism. You say that you don't like it because YOU don't think it fits, I reply with reasoning against it, and the cycle repeats. I don't want to go in a pointless circle any longer, it's as simple as that.

[Angius]

This has nothing to do with anger. Now either you really are a troll trying to provoke me into responding so you can engage your argument with me again, or you suddenly realized how much your other post made your sound like a jerk.

I decided to discontinue the previous argument for reasons I've stated in previous posts. You aren't giving constructive criticism. You say that you don't like it because YOU don't think it fits, I reply with reasoning against it, and the cycle repeats. I don't want to go in a pointless circle any longer, it's as simple as that.

And you are saying that you like it, because YOU think it fits.

But, well, I can't agree more - this discussion is pretty pointless. Looks like you can't understand what "lore" is, and you can't convince me, that four-legged ninjas fit this game either...

Edited August 4, 2013 by Angius

[Jett]

i'm going to say the same thing that was said making nova in the design council, "unique does not always equal practical"

[Draxxon]

And you are saying that you like it, because YOU think it fits.

But, well, I can't agree more - this discussion is pretty pointless. Looks like you can't understand what "lore" is, and you can't convince me, that four-legged ninjas fit this game...

I never said that it fits. Nowhere did I say that it fits. I said that I think changes to gameplay could benefit the game. I leave it up to DE to decide if it fits. What I want from the community is what's bad or good about the gameplay mechanics it would be changing and how to improve the idea.

[Draxxon]

i'm going to say the same thing that was said making nova in the design council, "unique does not always equal practical"

Very true, but honestly, how practical is a lot of the stuff in this game? We have things like multishot. It's completely impractical, but it's a unique mod. No other mod does that(yet). No gun can really shoot 2 bullets at once for severally reasons, but it works great in the gun mechanics of the game. There's so much like that in this game.

[Jett]

Very true, but honestly, how practical is a lot of the stuff in this game? We have things like multishot. It's completely impractical, but it's a unique mod. No other mod does that(yet). No gun can really shoot 2 bullets at once for severally reasons, but it works great in the gun mechanics of the game. There's so much like that in this game.

the difference between multishot and 4 legged warframes is that multishot adds to the game while the warframe idea would add an almost entirely different game, it would take so much new code and effort that it wouldnt be worth it for the minority of the community that would support this idea

[Draxxon]

the difference between multishot and 4 legged warframes is that multishot adds to the game while the warframe idea would add an almost entirely different game, it would take so much new code and effort that it wouldnt be worth it for the minority of the community that would support this idea

Why? Do you know anything about modeling or rigging? Those can be manipulated the same way they make new enemies and frames. The 4 legged frames rigging would be based off some of the corpus quadruped robots or infested chargers. The models shouldn't take any longer than a model for any other frame or enemy. I've only done basic 3D modeling, rigging and texturing and I'm a newb to it, but I'm not asking for anything crazy that would break the games current format.

-edit-

Now this is the kind of response I want.

Edited August 4, 2013 by Draxxon

[Buzkyl]

The idea is sktechy to me, but perhaps it can work, as long as each arm can hold a weapon.

Introducing the new Corpus warframe that was liberated by the lotus and given to the tenno

[Angius]

The idea is sktechy to me, but perhaps it can work, as long as each arm can hold a weapon.

Introducing the new Corpus warframe that was liberated by the lotus and given to the tenno

 -snip-

Nope. OP is talking about a four-legged frame. Where weapon will be attached to the back.

 

And - you know what? We also should have flying frames. With the propeller on the back. No legs, just two... You know what? Three arms. And one eye.

That will change the gameplay, eh?

And I just saw, that you edited your original post... Now you're saying, that it should be meele weapon, that transforms us. And that if DE will say "NO" you'll accept that... Suddenly you changed your approach to the topic to more polite and submissive?

Either you saw, that people don't want your idea, or you saw, that you're losing in this discussion... Nice.

 

Besides, tell me one thing: wallrunning and grabbing ledges. How is that supposed to work?

And let me quote myself, because you haven't answer my question:

And why would I want to fight on my four limbs? It's not effective way to fight!

Go ahead, grab something in your hands, so you can get on your feet and hands without rear sticking in the air. And try to walk. Heh, try to run! Try to jump!

Using two limbs for walking is a lot more effective and natural. So why do we need quadripedal frames, besides "ME WANT IT"?

Edited August 4, 2013 by Angius

[miikiious]

I think you missed the point others were making by thinking they wanted to start a flame war. They didn't want the four legged frame BECAUSE it doesn't fit the lore and playstyle at all. I mean can you imagine the thing wallruning? Or perhaps opening doors? Gripping datamass? Hacking? Can you imagine any other action it should do other then walking and shooting?

 

Well i guess a four legged (or walking at all) Sentinel would be nice but it still wouldn't be practical for the reasons i mentioned (wallruning)

Edited August 4, 2013 by miikiious

[Angius]

I think you missed the point others were making by thinking they wanted to start a flame war. They didn't want the four legged frame BECAUSE it doesn't fit the lore and playstyle at all. I mean can you imagine the thing wallrunning? Or perhaps opening doors? Gripping datamass? Hacking? Can you imagine any other action it should do other then walking and shooting?

 

Well i guess a four legged (or walking at all) Sentinel would be nice but it still wouldn't be practical for the reasons i mentioned

Don't even bother trying to say anything about lore. You'll get answer like:

"You're not from DE! DE is deciding about lore! DE can change the lore to fit my idea!"

 

And OP obviously will skip arguments like datamasses, wallrunning, etc. in his reply. Like he skipped every other resonable argument.

Or he won't, because I said, that he will? Wel, we'll see...

 

Edited August 4, 2013 by Angius