A Suggestion From A Wikia Member

[FissionStorm]

Recently I was browsing the warframe wiki forums rather than my usual activity of browsing these forums. I found this article: http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Asphyxiationism/PvP_-_It%27s_required_for_the_long_term_survival_of_Warframe. Where a player had suggested a warframe version of MOBA PvP. I found this to be rather intriguing and OP made some really good points. I'm curious to see what the rest of you think.

TL;DR: Read through the link and discuss (PLEASANTLY) your thoughts. Please stay on topic though.

[PsychedelicSnake]

The title of the article urks me to no end. PvP isn't necessary in order for Warframe to survive. It's not like if it stays PvE dominant, it will die out.

 

Although it does have the potential to increase some sort of player base,  by no means whatsoever does this mean Warframe is dependent on PvP in order to last.

 

EDIT: It's like saying a Single-Player dedicated game is dependent on multiplayer to be popular.

Edited August 6, 2013 by PsychedelicSnake

[Endrance]

Warframe does not have the requirement to be PvP. Alot of deep changed would have to occur to have a balanced PvP, and that is way too much time and resource expensive for the time.

[Cyler]

IT'S A PVE GAME!!!

 

f'Óreal now, I like the principle of Tenno testing themselves, although I don't want them to fight against each other directly(killing each other). I always wanted a "race"-kind of "PvP", who clears a level faster etc. Of course that's boring as hell, that's why I leave the thinking to the paid employees at DE.

Edited August 6, 2013 by Cyler

[Shade]

I like the ideas in the blog, they're not bad ideas. There's no obvious flaw that I can find from a quick once-over. I think a "PvP Level" would be pretty nice, along with PvP specific mods that did absolutely nothing in PvE, same with PvE mods doing nothing in PvP.

 

We can all see it coming, though; "Nerf this gun, it's too OP!" "I keep getting stunlocked, omg" - the string of complaints would continue. They'd need a beta for PvP all on its own, and still people would complain endlessly.

 

All good ideas though - especially it being completely separate from PvE.

[KvotheTheArcane1]

The post you linked was also here on the forums, it got locked (because of flaming i.e. the blogger/OP saying "didn't read my post" instead of really arguing/discussing + people raging over PvP), but the blog post is wrong for a few reasons:

1. He/she assumes nothing can change with the PvE (i.e. they can't fix the AI, they can't fix the grind, etc)

2. A co-op game NEEDS AND REQUIRES PvP to be for a long time. I heartily disagree because Borderlands 1and 2, Left 4 Dead 1 and 2 (yes, it had a versus mode, but it was really just focused on the co-op), Saints Row 3, Payday 1 and 2(even though it's in beta, still pretty fun imo), terraria, minecraft, and killing floor to name a few. All of those are Co-op based games that do just fine even without PvP.

My personal arguments against it:

1. MOBA communities suck, having played LoL, watched arguments over LoL/HoN/DOTA (even over the @(*()$ term DOTAlike vs MOBA) and I'd be worried that this would turn into one of them (yes, for those of you who think the community is bad, it CAN get worse)

2. Having to make an ENTIRELY new set of gear... well... that sucks. It's already grinding enough (obviously, if the gear was purchased in battle, that's different)

3. All time dedicated to PvP is time not dedicated towards PvE. It'd force Warframe into a whole new game (one mostly about PvP, because of the balance required in it)

Edited August 6, 2013 by KvotheTheArcane1

[Weird_Stealth]

The post you linked was also here on the forums, it got locked (because of flaming i.e. the blogger/OP saying "didn't read my post" instead of really arguing/discussing + people raging over PvP), but the blog post is wrong for a few reasons:

 

2. A co-op game NEEDS AND REQUIRES PvP to be for a long time. I heartily disagree because Borderlands 1and 2, Left 4 Dead 1 and 2 (yes, it had a versus mode, but it was really just focused on the co-op), Saints Row 3, Payday 1 and 2(even though it's in beta, still pretty fun imo), terraria, minecraft, and killing floor to name a few. All of those are Co-op based games that do just fine even without PvP.

Agreed.

 

Warframe doesn't NEED/REQUIRE PvP, it's not a feature that games with out will fail. 

Anothing thing, never trust/go by what someone says where in his/her OP post states "This game will fail unless *Insert Feature Here*!", or "To make this game greate, *Insert Feature Here* needs to be added to the game!", mainly for a few reasons:

#1 in the case of PvP and Warframe, DE has already pointed out many times that PvE is their MAIN focus, not PvP.

#2 often These people have their heads up their fourth point of contact and have no idea what the game actually needs, and what it doesn't need.

#3 These people sometimes have big ego about the game, and often thinks they own a copy = they're owners of the game of a whole, and the developers should cater to them/their group.

 

Yes there are people out there who would LOVE to see PvP in the game, but they shouldn't be posting threads saying "This game is going to fail if it doesn't add PvP.", yes PvP is fun sometimes, but in no way shape or form is that true. 

 

Now, I truly dislike PvP, and it's player base, mostly because of their egos. I've played Halo for years, and over the past 2 or 3 years, I've watched Halo Waypoint's forums go from a small group of people talking about everything under the sun Halo, discussing Campaign, and MP, to a mass of people who swear up and down that MP = Halo, and Halo's MP is what made Halo popular, and half of those people never touch the campaign, never realize that people buy the game, not for MP, but for the story of Halo. To be honest, I feel that KvotheTheArcane1's 3rd personal argument is true in the fact that people will spend more time in PvP than PvE.

[FissionStorm]

The post you linked was also here on the forums, it got locked (because of flaming i.e. the blogger/OP saying "didn't read my post" instead of really arguing/discussing + people raging over PvP), but the blog post is wrong for a few reasons:

1. He/she assumes nothing can change with the PvE (i.e. they can't fix the AI, they can't fix the grind, etc)

2. A co-op game NEEDS AND REQUIRES PvP to be for a long time. I heartily disagree because Borderlands 1and 2, Left 4 Dead 1 and 2 (yes, it had a versus mode, but it was really just focused on the co-op), Saints Row 3, Payday 1 and 2(even though it's in beta, still pretty fun imo), terraria, minecraft, and killing floor to name a few. All of those are Co-op based games that do just fine even without PvP.

My personal arguments against it:

1. MOBA communities suck, having played LoL, watched arguments over LoL/HoN/DOTA (even over the @(*()$ term DOTAlike vs MOBA) and I'd be worried that this would turn into one of them (yes, for those of you who think the community is bad, it CAN get worse)

 

I agree but I just wanted to hear more opinions. I like most, was irritated by the title and do not feel PvP is necessary for warframes "survival". however i liked the idea the guy suggested

[FissionStorm]

IT'S A PVE GAME!!!

 

f'Óreal now, I like the principle of Tenno testing themselves, although I don't want them to fight against each other directly(killing each other). I always wanted a "race"-kind of "PvP", who clears a level faster etc. Of course that's boring as hell, that's why I leave the thinking to the paid employees at DE.

Did I personally say that Warframe needed PvP? No. I said I was intrigued by the idea(s) OP presented and asked people to discuss. and if you had actually read the post you would see that it said don't say "ITS A PVE GAME!" 

[Ced23Ric]

PvP is not a development concern. Won't become one. The linked, offsite thread is just like other PvP threads: irrelevant. Please see the FAQ for more.

 

Locking this.