latron wraith

[bronzebonobo]

gonna do a whole lot more damage with an extra whopping 22 more base damage, but we are taking crit away from it. Who thinks it's a good idea to do these changes honestly.

[TinySuperSalad]

Just now, bronzebonobo said:

gonna do a whole lot more damage with an extra whopping 22 more base damage, but we are taking crit away from it. Who thinks it's a good idea to do these changes honestly.

Digital Extreme Team.

[Urlan]

Doesn't mean that DE won't take into consideration enough input on the issue. You might be able to point out the issue on the dev workshop and perhaps your suggestions might be heard.

[bronzebonobo]

they could have reduced the reload time or given it a bigger magazine but NOPE gonna get the bat out and beat it and then give it a band aid (22 whole damage) i think they hate dmr weapons, they never get good buffs and they play like sniper rifles, except snipers out class them in every way.

[tyranno66]

You do know that with this change the sustained DPS will increase right? How about you do the math before opening your mouth to complain?

[bronzebonobo]

40 minutes ago, tyranno66 said:

You do know that with this change the sustained DPS will increase right? How about you do the math before opening your mouth to complain?

Didn't need to be nerfed, nobody uses it, they should have just buffed it with the damage buff and maybe a tiny reload speed buff, it was already a really niche weapon, the only person i have seen playing with it and using it in my almost 1000+ hours (calculating my xbox time on warframe as well ) hours of playing on pc warframe is me, i haven't seen anyone else using it. Granted i don't check every match i am playing in but even when i do look to see peoples weapons ocassionally, never seen it atleast once that i can remember anyways.

[mac10smg--Toa_of_Green]

Still has 2.5x damage. Crit chance only gets reduced to 50% (from 62.5%).

12.5% crit loss isn't that bad, come on.

[bronzebonobo]

1 minute ago, mac10smg-ToaOfGreen said:

Still has 2.5x damage. Crit chance only gets reduced to 50% (from 62.5%).

12.5% crit loss isn't that bad, come on.

it will matter if you want to take it past anything level 50

[Jestonhomme]

50 minutes ago, tyranno66 said:

You do know that with this change the sustained DPS will increase right? How about you do the math before opening your mouth to complain?

Woah Nelly, sorry for insulting your mother

[mac10smg--Toa_of_Green]

6 minutes ago, bronzebonobo said:

it will matter if you want to take it past anything level 50

With 50% crit chance, about 7-8 shots per clip will crit. With 62.5%, it will be about 9.

Increasing the damage, thus increasing the crit damage, while only loosing about 1-2 crit shots is not bad in any way.

Edited February 6, 2018 by mac10smg-ToaOfGreen

[Ada_Wong_SG]

I guess the DMR in general are neglected and need a overall buff much like Sniper Rifle rework.

The Latron series currently are nothing but a lesser versions of the Sybaris.

If you wish to test out the crit chance 50% and how much it crits now, use a stradavar on semi auto. 

It is kind of like Stradavar and Latron Wraith switch their role in the proposed "buff"
I can comprehend making Stradavar being more relevant to be used by buffing it. 

But seriously can't the Latron Wraith get similar treatment ?
and Seriously the 22% base crit on Latron Prime would not make it any better

Just buff the Latrons to be on par with the Sybaris.

 

We have the powerful Sniper Rifles that is kind of the hand cannon for now, 
Then there is assault rifles for all the rapid fire and lighter damage

But the Designated Marksman Rifle / Battle Rifle class is not keeping up with the changes.

 

Edited February 6, 2018 by Ada_Wong_SG

[13abyShadow]

7 minutes ago, Ada_Wong_SG said:

I guess the DMR in general are neglected and need a overall buff much like Sniper Rifle rework.

The Latron series currently are nothing but a lesser versions of the Sybaris.

If you wish to test out the crit chance 50% and how much it crits now, use a stradavar on semi auto. 

It is kind of like Stradavar and Latron Wraith switch their role in the proposed "buff"
I can comprehend making Stradavar being more relevant to be used by buffing it. 

But seriously can't the Latron Wraith get similar treatment ?
and Seriously the 22% base crit on Latron Prime would not make it any better

Just buff the Latrons to be on par with the Sybaris.

 

We have the powerful Sniper Rifles that is kind of the hand cannon for now, 
Then there is assault rifles for all the rapid fire and lighter damage

But the Designated Marksman Rifle and Battle Rifle class is not keeping up with the changes.

Since when there are classes for weapons. All I know is primary, secondary, melee. 

Ps: No one touches Tigris Prime, NO ONE 

[Ada_Wong_SG]

17 minutes ago, Crystalshadow98 said:

Since when there are classes for weapons. All I know is primary, secondary, melee. 

Ps: No one touches Tigris Prime, NO ONE 

For Primaries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_machine_gun
Obviously we have "Light Machine Gun" that is the Braton, Karak, Soma etc.
Those are not truly "Assault Rifles" by technical definitions since they are incapable of selective fire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle
Then there is "Assault Rifle" that is the Stradavar and Argonak.
That fulfill the technical definition of 
1) Intermediate cartridge (intermediate damage). 2) High capacity magazine fed. 3) Selective Fire

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_rifle

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designated_marksman_rifle
Then there is "Designated Marksman Rifle"/ "Battle Rifle" that is harder hitting rifles than assault rifle with significant recoil increase.
Latron, Latron Wraith, Latron Prime, Sybaris, Dex Sybaris, Sybaris Prime, Grinlok.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sniper_rifles

http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Sniper_Rifle
And "Sniper Rifle" which is kind of the more obvious class.

 

There are also Unconventional weapons like Rocket launcher, grenade launcher etc

The main concern is people who are choosing to ignore or are totally ignorant of these classes of weapons 
Would often think buffing Latron and Sybaris is a taboo because they then become too powerful for assault rifles.

But then it make not much sense to use a semi-auto only rifle if it is about the same power level 
as something full auto.

Making clear distinctions between classes of rifles can let them have their characteristics, while 
not having embarrassing instances where player would find a Latron "sucks" because it does not feature full auto mode, 
since duh, it is a different class of weapon.

Edited February 6, 2018 by Ada_Wong_SG

[13abyShadow]

1 minute ago, Ada_Wong_SG said:

For Primaries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_machine_gun
Obviously we have "Light Machine Gun" that is the Braton, Karak, Soma etc.
Those are not truly "Assault Rifles" by technical definitions since they are incapable of selective fire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle
Then there is "Assault Rifle" that is the Stradavar and Argonak.
That fulfill the technical definition of 
1) Intermediate cartridge (intermediate damage). 2) High capacity magazine fed. 3) Selective Fire

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_rifle

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designated_marksman_rifle
Then there is "Designated Marksman Rifle"/ "Battle Rifle" that is harder hitting rifles than assault rifle with significant recoil increase.
Latron, Latron Wraith, Latron Prime, Sybaris, Dex Sybaris, Sybaris Prime.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sniper_rifles

http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Sniper_Rifle
And "Sniper Rifle" which is kind of the more obvious class.

 

There are also Unconventional weapons like Rocket launcher, grenade launcher etc

The main concern is people who are choosing to ignore or are totally ignorant of these classes of weapons 
Would often think buffing Latron and Sybaris is a taboo because they then become too powerful for assault rifles.

But then it make not much sense to use a semi-auto only rifle if it is about the same power level 
as something full auto.

Making clear distinctions between classes of rifles can let them have their characteristics, while 
not having embarrassing instances where player would find a Latron "sucks" because it does not feature full auto mode, 
since duh, it is a different class of weapon.

Yes I was joking you don't have to be so serious by linking wiki pages. 

Side note I appreciate your effort in not getting my joke. Here's an upvote, a pat on your back. 

[OoKaioO]

Though DE decided to buff latron prime way above the latron wraith

[Ada_Wong_SG]

Just now, OoKaioO said:

Though DE decided to buff latron prime way above the latron wraith

But it would still be weaker than the Stradavar after the "buff"
since if you looks at it this way, market blueprint stronger than Alert weapon and Primed weapon.

Latron Wraith and Stradavar switch Crit chance, 
new Latron Wraith is the Stradavar on semi auto (50% crit with point strike)
and Stradavar Semi auto is the Latron Wraith. (62.5% crit with point strike)

I wouldn't be against buffing Stradavar since the semi auto currently is kind of 
not much of a crit increase for anyone serious about aiming and popping precise shots to consider worth their time using.

When the Sybaris and Latron Wraith offer higher crit chance of 62.5% with point strike
and Sybaris Prime with 75% crit with point strike, that makes them more worth the effort aiming.

For Latron, Latron Wraith and Latron Prime, it might be justified to grant them higher crit chance, 
since they are semi-auto only rifles, meaning you can't flip the selector and go guns blazing at enemies.

Basic Latron can have the current Latron Prime crit at 37.5% with point strike.

Latron Wraith can still have the current 62.5% with point strike.

Latron Prime I would love to see something like 75% crit with point strike (Sybaris and Soma Prime has this Crit chance)

that would make Latron Prime fit being a Primed weapon.

[OoKaioO]

1 minute ago, Ada_Wong_SG said:

But it would still be weaker than the Stradavar after the "buff"
since if you looks at it this way, market blueprint stronger than Alert weapon and Primed weapon.

Latron Wraith and Stradavar switch Crit chance, 
new Latron Wraith is the Stradavar on semi auto (50% crit with point strike)
and Stradavar Semi auto is the Latron Wraith. (62.5% crit with point strike)

I wouldn't be against buffing Stradavar since the semi auto currently is kind of 
not much of a crit increase for anyone serious about aiming and popping precise shots to consider worth their time using.

When the Sybaris and Latron Wraith offer higher crit chance of 62.5% with point strike
and Sybaris Prime with 75% crit with point strike, that makes them more worth the effort aiming.

For Latron, Latron Wraith and Latron Prime, it might be justified to grant them higher crit chance, 
since they are semi-auto only rifles, meaning you can't flip the selector and go guns blazing at enemies.

Basic Latron can have the current Latron Prime crit at 37.5% with point strike.

Latron Wraith can still have the current 62.5% with point strike.

Latron Prime I would love to see something like 75% crit with point strike (Sybaris and Soma Prime has this Crit chance)

that would make Latron Prime fit being a Primed weapon.

just imo, wraith and prime should be an alternative to each other, not one just overpowering the other