Vaulted Relics in PoE Bounties and Syndicate Packs.

[(XBOX)ScaleBack]

I will add my 2 cents.

PoE to me is like one of those movies that has 20 mins of action and 2 hours of watching the actors travel... frankly its boring. the spacing is all wrong,   when it was first announced I was thrilled, but I think it took me two or three trips before I stopped even trying. warframe is a fast action packed game, and PoE is a slow boring ride with a nice view.

 

also, as DE has done with things in the past, its new, lets force them to like it by making them have to go there (archwing) every other aspect of the game is build things to fit your style, mod things how you like, etc, but then we have these moments where DE says, if you want the new stuff you have to play "this" style of game till you get it.

[(PSN)RumCask]

14 PoE bounties and 2 relics so far. I'm already sick of this. The drop rates are pathetic, I know DE are famously stingy but putting the relics on PoE bounties at a minute drop probability is taking the piss.

[Kiss.Shot.]

6 minutes ago, ..-Hayden-Tenno-.. said:

already got 10x Neo E1 and 10x Meso F3 in around an hour..... this is going to have a huge impact on prices and believe me when i tell u this.... after this unvaulting, ember and frost will be worthless because everyone and their mama has 200 relics.

((X) Doubt.)  like 6 to 7 bounties "can" equate "up to an hour" depending on the variants of the mission. Especially for the forced timed missions of defending, escorting and destroying supply cache. I understand you're trying to say Plains of Eidolon is easy peasy for relics but with RNG heavily mixed into the system I'm literally calling your bluff. Please do not demeanor our actual reasonings with false self statistics. I'm also heavily doubting you on the fact that LITERALLY no has said this or anything close to this on any of the forums threads I've checked.

[----_Hayden_Tenno_----]

8 minutes ago, Kiss.Shot. said:

((X) Doubt.)  like 6 to 7 bounties "can" equate "up to an hour" depending on the variants of the mission. Especially for the forced timed missions of defending, escorting and destroying supply cache. I understand you're trying to say Plains of Eidolon is easy peasy for relics but with RNG heavily mixed into the system I'm literally calling your bluff. Please do not demeanor our actual reasonings with false self statistics. I'm also heavily doubting you on the fact that LITERALLY no has said this or anything close to this on any of the forums threads I've checked.

so rng was not a thing when vaulted relics dropped on the normal starchart?

what are u even talking about... do u know where ember bp relics used to drop? long missions dude, 20 waves of defense AKA C rotation reward, rare relic drop.... on those star chart missions u also had the chance to get a relic u dont even need.... so u could end up doing 3-4 C rotations for a single relic.... thats over an hour... i got 20 relics in that time, and even if it were only 5 relics it would still be the better choice....

theres nothing to argue here, plains are alot better for the vaulted relics.

Edited February 7, 2018 by ..-Hayden-Tenno-..

[Kiss.Shot.]

10 minutes ago, ..-Hayden-Tenno-.. said:

what are u even talking about... do u know where ember bp relics used to drop? long missions dude, 20 waves of defense AKA C rotation reward, rare relic drop.... on those star chart missions u also had the chance to get a relic u dont even need.... so u could end up doing 3-4 C rotations for a single relic.... thats over an hour... i got 20 relics in that time, and even if it were only 5 relics it would still be the better choice....

theres nothing to argue here, plains are alot better for the vaulted relics.

You are literally the only exception is what I'm trying to say here. I've ran these bounties for 3 hours and have only gotten 2 relics. Are you saying that you are RNGesus cause you literally can not get that many relics within an hour. as seeing Neo and Meso bounties are a bit higher tier with more timed missions put into them. 6 to 7 bounties mission for an hour and you are telling you us you have acquired 10X Neo E1 and 10x Meso F3. I'm saying that putting literally everything into account based on your claim that its literally impossible for you to have that many relics within the time you have given us.

Edited February 7, 2018 by Kiss.Shot.

[Azlare]

13 minutes ago, ..-Hayden-Tenno-.. said:

so rng was not a thing when vaulted relics dropped on the normal starchart?

what are u even talking about... do u know where ember bp relics used to drop? long missions dude, 20 waves of defense AKA C rotation reward, rare relic drop.... on those star chart missions u also had the chance to get a relic u dont even need.... so u could end up doing 3-4 C rotations for a single relic.... thats over an hour... i got 20 relics in that time, and even if it were only 5 relics it would still be the better choice....

theres nothing to argue here, plains are alot better for the vaulted relics.

I'd take a relic I don't need over anything the plains drops that's not a relic. Relic drops are universally good for EVERYONE who plays this game. Plains drops that are specific to plains are NOT universally good for everyone since a large portion of the community doesn't actually play plains. Good for you, you got really good RNG and none of your missions auto-failed, sadly a large majority of the community is not as lucky as you. Putting past all the biased flaws of plains like how boring it is to play, how tedious and mind numbing bounties are and how frustrating it is to wait long periods of time to load into a mission, the Plains are still far from being finished and in turn very very buggy. Putting LIMITED TIME content into a flawed system that, for some, literally doesn't work is not "alot better for the vaulted relics". There is a lot to argue here, you can't just say "Ha I got lucky and I like plains because I haven't run into any of the numerous tedious bugs, you can't argue me!" Nobody wants to take your plains relics away, we just want an ALTERNATIVE method to get these relics that isn't RNG rolling syndicate packs.

Edited February 7, 2018 by Azlare

[----_Hayden_Tenno_----]

19 minutes ago, Kiss.Shot. said:

You are literally the only exception is what I'm trying to say here. I've ran these bounties for 3 hours and have only gotten 2 relics. Are you saying that you are RNGesus cause you literally can not get that many relics within an hour. as seeing Neo and Meso bounties are a bit higher tier with more timed missions put into them. 6 to 7 bounties mission for an hour and you are telling you us you have acquired 10X Neo E1 and 10x Meso F3. I'm saying that putting literally everything into account based on your claim that its literally impossible for you to have that many relics within the time you have given us.

remember u can get the relics as first reward... it takes like 1 minute to get the first part of a bounty done. u can also even get multiple relics in a single bounty run. lets not forget that those relics drop on all kinds of bounty tiers.... 

19 minutes ago, Azlare said:

I'd take a relic I don't need over anything the plains drops that's not a relic. Relic drops are universally good for EVERYONE who plays this game. Plains drops that are specific to plains are NOT universally good for everyone since a large portion of the community doesn't actually play plains. Good for you, you got really good RNG and none of your missions auto-failed, sadly a large majority of the community is not as lucky as you. Putting past all the biased flaws of plains like how boring it is to play, how tedious and mind numbing bounties are and how frustrating it is to wait long periods of time to load into a mission, the Plains are still far from being finished and in turn very very buggy. Putting LIMITED TIME content into flawed system that for some literally doesn't work is not "alot better for the vaulted relics". There is a lot to argue here, you can't just say "Ha I got lucky and I like plains because I haven't run into any of the numerous tedious bugs, you can't argue me!" Nobody wants to take your plains relics away, we just want an ALTERNATIVE method to get these relics that isn't RNG rolling syndicate packs.

plains are boring? how is any other content not boring and mind numbing, ever did 3 C rotations of defense? is that not boring? cmon.... seriously....

the last time ember was unvaulted it took me 3 hours to get 2 relics for her BP.

and long load times is not something anybody can do S#&$ about except yourself...

its 2018, SSD's are a thing since when? 2009? its not DE's fault that ppl run this game on a toaster....

putting this game on a SSD will reduce loadtime on the plains to 5 seconds or even less...

and please dont talk for the "majority of the community", because the majority of the community doesnt have any beef with the plains... thats a fact that u can check for yourself on the last dev stream.(or the one before that? idk)

Edited February 7, 2018 by ..-Hayden-Tenno-..

[Kiss.Shot.]

5 minutes ago, ..-Hayden-Tenno-.. said:

and please dont talk for the "majority of the community", because the majority of the community doesnt have any beef with the plains... thats a fact that u can check for yourself on the last dev stream.(or the one before that? idk)

You say that but then why are all the forum posts literally about being against this unvaulted relic system based on bounties.......what "majority" are you?

[(XBOX)CannyJack]

So wait. The few voices in support are also telling us we can’t handle things that aren’t spoon fed to us, but turn around and proclaim how the game is basically spoon feeding them all these desirable relics? 

Priceless. 

[Venferious]

See the thing is, I don't mind PoE as much. It is a little boring with the bounties, I wish they went with a different design direction where we can actually utilize our parkour instead of it just being an empty mass of land but I welcome more open world environments if they can function correctly.

However, here's my issue with this situation..regarding unvaulted relics. I imagine a lot of players will want to pursue these relics...but when these relics are currency reward for a content that is full of bugs and hinders gameplay experience, you have to understand why there's frustration to begin with. You have a mode where a good majority of people either

A. Can't run the content efficiently because of the problems they run into which would be

• being stuck inside the gates before the mission launches
• the mission somehow stops funcitioning and prompts you to return back to cetus at 3/5 or 4/5 cutting you away from the rewards
• npcs sometimes won't spawn 
• host migration for whatever causes a number of problems when someone leaves
• people playing on potatoes? that's not DE's fault but I think some people mentioned they are hindered by this and request just an alternative outlet (looking at you Void/Derelict/Eua  rotations)

B. People just don't like the mode, it's plain and simple and the request for an alternative way to earn the rewards through a playstyle they enjoy would be recommended to keep a balance.

Again, not a complaint on my end, just I think having people who desired these items to play a mode they are not interested in or play in a mode that isn't fully functional and diminishes the gaming experience isn't ideal. 

Edited February 7, 2018 by Venferious

[Azlare]

23 minutes ago, ..-Hayden-Tenno-.. said:

remember u can get the relics as first reward... it takes like 1 minute to get the first part of a bounty done. u can also even get multiple relics in a single bounty run. lets not forget that those relics drop on all kinds of bounty tiers.... 

plains are boring? how is any other content not boring and mind numbing, ever did 3 C rotations of defense? is that not boring? cmon.... seriously....

and long load times is not something anybody can do S#&$ about except yourself...

its 2018, SSD's are a thing since when? 2009? its not DE's fault that ppl run this game on a toaster....

putting this game on a SSD will reduce loadtime on the plains to 5 seconds or even less...

and please dont talk for the "majority of the community", because the majority of the community doesnt have any beef with the plains... thats a fact that u can check for yourself on the last dev stream.(or the one before that? idk)

The classic ignore a good majority of someones post and focus on a single part! Nice, good argument structure you have. Let me actually address each individual point you made.

Yes plains are beyond boring, you seem to really not like defense missions, why not try the other missions that also have a C rotation like survival, excavation, interceptions, defections, in fact wait a second.. Every mission type can drop any sort of relic from Lith to Axi! For example, if you want to get a vauban prime systems BP in the Lith V2 relic, I can do Defection, Defense, Excavation, Interception, Rush, Spy and Survival. That's a whole lot more variety than the Re-skinned capture, exterminate and escort missions that you're doing over and over again in bounties.

Actually DE has mentioned that they are currently working on fixes for both long load times and being able to run plains better, Drew even mentioned that in THIS THREAD LOL. SO yes there is something that somebody can do.

Your next two points are pretty much exactly the same "well its not DE's fault that people cant run their game lol" Warframe has always been super optimized and there isn't a part of the star chart that anyone complains about not being able to run besides plains. Being that plains is the outlier here, why would you put limited time content in a system that people cant run regardless? Especially when they mentioned that they are currently working on ways for people to run it easier. You're right I guess, people should go out and buy an SSD to run this one map on warframe for this one time to get these vaulted relics! /s

And I will speak for the majority of the community, have you actually looked at the forums or the subreddit or even twitter?? People are super frustrated about this. Those who support the change are even suggesting that DE add an alternative because so many people are unhappy. DE fanboys defending people who aren't happy with a DE update? That's unheard of. I urge you to read around to get a solid idea how the majority of the community actually feels about this. Look at this forum alone if you have to, this specific post has been a hot topic for what? 2 days now? The general agreement here is that everyone thinks there should be an alternative and nobody is happy that plains is the only actual option to farm these things.

You are the outlier here and your only actual reason for that is that you haven't run into any of the numerous bugs that plains has. Even ignoring the fact that a large majority cant run it, missions still auto-fail, missions still bug and you cant complete them and the drop rates are still lower than they have ever been on any of the other of the other relic grinds while being twice as tedious and twice as pointless. Plains is a new system still and it still has a lot of bugs. You cant justify releasing LIMITED TIME content on a bugged system and only on the bugged system when you have the void and the derelict which work just fine.

Edited February 7, 2018 by Azlare

[OkamiLuna]

I think adding the unvaulted relics to the bounties is a neat idea. The issue for me is that that is the only place they are available. 

I like the idea of trying new things, this included but I feel there should be more options. 

For me, when I relic farm, I mix it up. A lot. If i get tired of doing defense or interception, I move to spy missions or vice versa. It keeps me from burning out personally. Like many here, I will admit to being burned out on the bounties at the moment. With Operation PLaguestar and the Ghoul Purges, I have played quite a bit of plains bounties lately. I am burning out again on bounties already. Another issue is the drop rates. For me that particular issue is, that when I farm for relics, I like to receive relics. I obviously aim to farm for the newer ones, but I don't mind getting the normal relics either. It gives me something to run to renew void traces or get items I don't have yet. I ran 8 of the Neo level bounties and not one relic dropped for me. I feel that's a little silly, especially when I really don't need anything else from the drop table. 

 

Another issue for me is the potato PC issue. I don't quite have a toaster, but I don't have the best pc either. I get a max of about 20 frames on the plains. About 16-18 when it's raining. I know it's much worse for other players, but having that after playing normal missions at 30 fps is a little disappointing. Also it honestly throws me off a bit when I'm trying to lead shots and hit things. 

 

I just want another option so I don't end up hating the plains by the end of this. 

[----_Hayden_Tenno_----]

10 minutes ago, Kiss.Shot. said:

You say that but then why are all the forum posts literally about being against this unvaulted relic system based on bounties.......what "majority" are you?

lol... the thing is... ppl who dont have any beef with this are not complaining about it on the forums... why would they even bother?

i think u underestimate the size of warframes playerbase.

If the majority had any problems with this, DE would've already done something, like they ALWAYS do when things like this go wrong. ^^

11 minutes ago, Venferious said:

See the thing is, I don't mind PoE as much. It is a little boring with the bounties, I wish they went with a different design direction where we can actually utilize our parkour instead of it just being an empty mass of land but I welcome more open world environments if they can function correctly.

However, here's my issue with this situation..regarding unvaulted relics. I imagine a lot of players will want to pursue these relics...but when these relics are currency reward for a content that is full of bugs and hinders gameplay experience, you have to understand why there's frustration to begin with. You have a mode where a good majority of people either

A. Can't run the content efficiently because of the problems they run into which would be

• being stuck inside the gates before the mission launches
• the mission somehow stops funcitioning and prompts you to return back to cetus at 3/5 or 4/5 cutting you away from the rewards
• npcs sometimes won't spawn 
• host migration for whatever causes a number of problems when someone leaves
• people playing on potatoes? that's not DE's fault but I think some people mentioned they are hindered by this and request just an alternative outlet (looking at you Void/Derelict/Eua  rotations)

B. People just don't like the mode, it's plain and simple and the request for an alternative way to earn the rewards through a playstyle they enjoy would be recommended to keep a balance.

Again, not a complaint on my end, just I think having people who desired these items to play a mode they are not interested in or play in a mode that isn't fully functional and diminishes the gaming experience isn't ideal. 

A.)

And im saying this again... DE is not responsible for your hardware or connection issues. Set the max ping to the lowest, wich will prevent u from getting matched with ppl from the moon... connection issues are very likely to cause those problems. u can also just solo those bounties and im pretty sure 90% of your problems will be solved.

 

B.)

Thats not how Warframe works and it never was. 

At some point everything in this game becomes plain and simple...

if you play this game because of the challenges... i think this is the wrong game for you, this is not dark souls.

Ppl also dont like many other things in the game, like archwing. Still you have to do it. 

I personally hate interceptions, still im forced to do them do get specific things. 

 

[Venferious]

11 minutes ago, ..-Hayden-Tenno-.. said:

A.)

And im saying this again... DE is not responsible for your hardware or connection issues. Set the max ping to the lowest, wich will prevent u from getting matched with ppl from the moon... connection issues are very likely to cause those problems. u can also just solo those bounties and im pretty sure 90% of your problems will be solved.

Ping is already at low because I wish to avoid players who don't talk english or suffer poor connection. How is playing solo a fix? do you realize how ignorant that sounds? Oh clearly this mode doesn't work well with players so play by yourself. Good advice. Take a look at reddit and other threads in this forum, clearly it's a problem that needs to be corrected. If they want us to participate in PoE, then at least fix the issues that create the poor experience. 

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B.)

Thats not how Warframe works and it never was. 

At some point everything in this game becomes plain and simple...

if you play this game because of the challenges... i think this is the wrong game for you, this is not dark souls.

Ppl also dont like many other things in the game, like archwing. Still you have to do it. 

I personally hate interceptions, still im forced to do them do get specific things. 

I think that flew over your head completely. No one said anything about challenge, there are different playstyles that people adapt to. You hate interception? but imagine if you were locked into interception for a reward you wanted and it was tedious? do you think that's fun? because the moment you feel you have to be forced to do something, it's no longer a game and it's no longer fun. That's how people feel about PoE, literally the boards scream it. I am not sure how you're so oblivious to the issue that players are having with this.

 

Edited February 7, 2018 by Venferious

[Azlare]

4 minutes ago, ..-Hayden-Tenno-.. said:

lol... the thing is... ppl who dont have any beef with this are not complaining about it on the forums... why would they even bother?

i think u underestimate the size of warframes playerbase.

If the majority had any problems with this, DE would've already done something, like they ALWAYS do when things like this go wrong. ^^

 

Except on the mission and levels board alone, 23/25 of the first page posts are complaints, suggestions and bug reports of plains. I can see you even replied recently to 3 of them at a quick glance. They would bother because when you have an issue with something in a game, you become vocal about it so the developers know that their player base isn't happy. I cant believe you would actually ask why anyone would bother complaining about something in a game they don't like. Why does anyone complain about anything? Because they want it to change.

No, YOU are underestimating the size of warframes player base. YOU are underestimating how many people are complaining about this specific topic. YOU are underestimating how many people are struggling to run plains. YOU are underestimating how many people would rather the unvaulting happen anywhere else or have at least an alternative. YOU are the only one doing any underestimating here.

How long have you played this game? DE almost never fixes anything that they think is right regardless of community feedback. Were you here when archwing first was released and DE continued to force content into it even though everyone hated it? It made people physically ill with motion sickness and they still forced content into it because they thought their new toy was fun. I'm not saying DE has never corrected their mistakes, I'm saying community feedback has almost never been taken seriously in a fast manner unless its positive feedback or literally game breaking. To give DE the benefit of the doubt, they did hotfix some known bugs with plains that people were complaining about which even further exemplifies my point of plains being unfit to hold these unvaulted relics. Its buggy and not fun.

[----_Hayden_Tenno_----]

18 minutes ago, Azlare said:

Yes plains are beyond boring, you seem to really not like defense missions, why not try the other missions that also have a C rotation like survival, excavation, interceptions, defections, in fact wait a second.. Every mission type can drop any sort of relic from Lith to Axi! For example, if you want to get a vauban prime systems BP in the Lith V2 relic, I can do Defection, Defense, Excavation, Interception, Rush, Spy and Survival. That's a whole lot more variety than the Re-skinned capture, exterminate and escort missions that you're doing over and over again in bounties.

Plains are a mix of all modes into one mission, if u think thats boring than this game itself must be pretty boring. u have defense, u have exterminate, excavation, rescue... u can have most of the mission types as a bounty mission.... whats your point? maybe u dont like the scale of it but remember, we have an archwing for that.

yes yes u can get all those relics on 2000 different maps, but... they still share a drop table with 20 other relics wich make it very unlikely for you to get WHAT U WANT.

24 minutes ago, Azlare said:

Your next two points are pretty much exactly the same "well its not DE's fault that people cant run their game lol" Warframe has always been super optimized and there isn't a part of the star chart that anyone complains about not being able to run besides plains. Being that plains is the outlier here, why would you put limited time content in a system that people cant run regardless? Especially when they mentioned that they are currently working on ways for people to run it easier. You're right I guess, people should go out and buy an SSD to run this one map on warframe for this one time to get these vaulted relics! /s

and again... its 2018, if u still dont have an SSD then im really wondering what kind of toaster u are playing on. how are they suppost to reduce load times when that is entirely something that depends on your hardware.... u dont make any sense at all. most of my hardware is 7 years old and this game runs with 60+ frames on ANY map.

PLAINS ARE BIG compared to the starchart, u cannot expect your 10 year old 200 $ pc hardware to run this. thats like asking EA to release fifa 2019 for ps2 and then u complain about it not running smooth enough... x'D

 

32 minutes ago, Azlare said:

And I will speak for the majority of the community, have you actually looked at the forums or the subreddit or even twitter?? People are super frustrated about this. Those who support the change are even suggesting that DE add an alternative because so many people are unhappy. DE fanboys defending people who aren't happy with a DE update? That's unheard of. I urge you to read around to get a solid idea how the majority of the community actually feels about this. Look at this forum alone if you have to, this specific post has been a hot topic for what? 2 days now? The general agreement here is that everyone thinks there should be an alternative and nobody is happy that plains is the only actual option to farm these things.

You are the outlier here and your only actual reason for that is that you haven't run into any of the numerous bugs that plains has. Even ignoring the fact that a large majority cant run it, missions still auto-fail, missions still bug and you cant complete them and the drop rates are still lower than they have ever been on any of the other of the other relic grinds while being twice as tedious and twice as pointless. Plains is a new system still and it still has a lot of bugs. You cant justify releasing LIMITED TIME content on a bugged system and only on the bugged system when you have the void and the derelict which work just fine.

speak for whoever u want but its obviously not the majority... how many posts do we have here? 5 pages in 2 days? is that suppost to be the majority of the community? dont make me laugh. 

the only place i see ppl complain about the plains is here on the forums, never did any of my buddies say they cant run the game or plains are full of bugs or whatever....

most of these problems can be solved by=

having proper hardware

playing solo or atleast setting a max ping to <100

 

[----_Hayden_Tenno_----]

13 minutes ago, Azlare said:

Except on the mission and levels board alone, 23/25 of the first page posts are complaints, suggestions and bug reports of plains. I can see you even replied recently to 3 of them at a quick glance. They would bother because when you have an issue with something in a game, you become vocal about it so the developers know that their player base isn't happy. I cant believe you would actually ask why anyone would bother complaining about something in a game they don't like. Why does anyone complain about anything? Because they want it to change.

No, YOU are underestimating the size of warframes player base. YOU are underestimating how many people are complaining about this specific topic. YOU are underestimating how many people are struggling to run plains. YOU are underestimating how many people would rather the unvaulting happen anywhere else or have at least an alternative. YOU are the only one doing any underestimating here.

How long have you played this game? DE almost never fixes anything that they think is right regardless of community feedback. Were you here when archwing first was released and DE continued to force content into it even though everyone hated it? It made people physically ill with motion sickness and they still forced content into it because they thought their new toy was fun. I'm not saying DE has never corrected their mistakes, I'm saying community feedback has almost never been taken seriously in a fast manner unless its positive feedback or literally game breaking. To give DE the benefit of the doubt, they did hotfix some known bugs with plains that people were complaining about which even further exemplifies my point of plains being unfit to hold these unvaulted relics. Its buggy and not fun.

i dont think u got what i meant, maybe my english just sucks :D

 

i mean, someone who DOESNT have any problems with the plains will not come here and argue about it, they will be in game, grinding S#&amp;&#036;, playing the game... only the ones that have a problem with something will come here(atleast in most of the cases)... thats why you presume that the majority has a problem with the plains, when in fact the majority is playing the game right now while u sit here and complain about something they dont have any problem with. saying u are the majority when u can barely get to 5 pages in 2 days, in a game that has how many active players every day? 50k? 100k?.... what a joke lol

Edited February 7, 2018 by ..-Hayden-Tenno-..

[Pippykins]

@[DE] Drew

On 2/6/2018 at 11:37 AM, [DE]Drew said:

I'd love to hear more thoughts on this from players. 

 

I don't think putting the relics in the bounties is a terrible idea, but the neo and meso relic drop rates are kind of brutal and aren't really the focused relic farming it pretends to be. sure they have one specific relic you can get, but with the low drop chance it isn't much of a better chance than normal farming for a specific relic on a defense mission. The only thing is on the defense mission I'd get a pile of other very useful relics to crack open, where bounties give me mostly mods I already have and wisps, or a tiny amount of kuva. Seeing another augur message or sinking talon is kind of like not getting anything at all. If you guys could trim some of the fat off the drop tables, bump up the drop rates on things we actually need multiples of (relics and lenses), or maybe just bring the drop rates of relics in line with the axi relics of the last bounties that'd be much healthier for everyone. As is bounties don't really feel like time well spent.

Edited February 7, 2018 by Pippykins

[(PSN)Boomstickman98]

1 minute ago, ..-Hayden-Tenno-.. said:

i dont think u got what i meant, maybe my english just sucks :D

 

i mean, someone who DOESNT have any problems with the plains will not come here and argue about it, they will be in game, grinding S#&amp;&#036;, playing the game... only the ones that have a problem with something will come here(atleast in most of the cases)... thats why you presume that the majority has a problem with the plains, when in fact the majority is playing the game right now while u sit here and complain about something they dont have any problem with. saying u are the majority when u can barely get to 5 pages in 2 days, in a game that has how many active players every day? 50k? 100k?.... lol

Let me just point out that people actually read before they post a thread, meaning that they will post in an already created thread. If you had watched the stream where they announced this, you would have seen a massive amount of players complain about it. Please stop being disrespectful to the community.

[Venferious]

17 minutes ago, ..-Hayden-Tenno-.. said:

Plains are a mix of all modes into one mission, if u think thats boring than this game itself must be pretty boring. u have defense, u have exterminate, excavation, rescue... u can have most of the mission types as a bounty mission.... whats your point? maybe u dont like the scale of it but remember, we have an archwing for that.

Okay judging by how you type, you clearly have difficult time comprehending what is being typed. People don't want to play a mode where it's a roulette of things. Maybe they just like exterminate but don't like excavation. You have a hard time understanding that not everyone wants to play there. Just because YOU enjoy it, doesn't mean others will. Last I checked, you as an individual don't represent popular opinion and given that there are pages of complaints. That's evidence to support that claim. Mission types aren't the problem, it's the environment. There's no life on the plains, it's literally flat terrain with some hills....That's it.   

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yes yes u can get all those relics on 2000 different maps, but... they still share a drop table with 20 other relics wich make it very unlikely for you to get WHAT U WANT. Do
and again... its 2018, if u still dont have an SSD then im really wondering what kind of toaster u are playing on. how are they suppost to reduce load times when that is entirely something that depends on your hardware.... u dont make any sense at all. most of my hardware is 7 years old and this game runs with 60+ frames on ANY map.

Never had that problem, I always got the relics I wanted by playing with the maps I enjoyed. Gives me variety and all you need is 1 relic, so you can chance it on a radiant share group and you're golden. The problem you're not understanding is when you put rewards behind content that isn't fully functional and has bugs that make the mode unplayable is the issue here. 

Regarding SSD, I am going to educate you about technology and tell you that an SSD won't make that much of an impact when it comes to FPS drops that players endure. Do you know the functionality of an SSD?  because I built PC's and I run over 100 fps on any map, what's your point?  How is an SSD going to fix bug related issues in content? Do you even read the stuff you type?  Again, your lack of reading comprehension is showing because you have no idea what you're talking about. If you actually read and not skimmed, you would maybe come to some kind of clarity. But I am going to assume english isn't your main language and you're making yourself look silly with your responses.

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most of these problems can be solved by=

having proper hardware

playing solo or atleast setting a max ping to <100

 

You must be delusional. So setting max ping to < 100 and having proper hardware fixes bug issues that are confirmed by DE themselves? My goodness, the logic is so real right here. There's no point in trying to discuss with this subject with you.

Edited February 7, 2018 by Venferious

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4 minutes ago, (PS4)Boomstickman98 said:

Please stop being disrespectful to the community.

let me spell it out for you my friend, warframe has probably around half a million players logging in every single day... and you want to tell me that 100 posts on the forums and another 100 on reddit are suppost to represent the majority of the community? whos being disrespectful here huh? 

 

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Just now, ..-Hayden-Tenno-.. said:

let me spell it out for you my friend, warframe has probably around half a million players logging in every single day... and you want to tell me that 100 posts on the forums and another 100 on reddit are suppost to represent the majority of the community? whos being disrespectful here huh? 

 

 

19 minutes ago, ..-Hayden-Tenno-.. said:

if u still dont have an SSD then im really wondering what kind of toaster u are playing on.

 

4 minutes ago, ..-Hayden-Tenno-.. said:

whos being disrespectful here huh?

 

17 minutes ago, ..-Hayden-Tenno-.. said:

you presume that the majority has a problem with the plains, when in fact the majority is playing the game right now while u sit here and complain about something they dont have any problem with.

Bullying, naming and shaming, being disrespectful to players who are pointing out that you are being inappropriate, yeah, I wonder...

[Azlare]

37 minutes ago, ..-Hayden-Tenno-.. said:

Plains are a mix of all modes into one mission, if u think thats boring than this game itself must be pretty boring. u have defense, u have exterminate, excavation, rescue... u can have most of the mission types as a bounty mission.... whats your point? maybe u dont like the scale of it but remember, we have an archwing for that.

yes yes u can get all those relics on 2000 different maps, but... they still share a drop table with 20 other relics wich make it very unlikely for you to get WHAT U WANT.

and again... its 2018, if u still dont have an SSD then im really wondering what kind of toaster u are playing on. how are they suppost to reduce load times when that is entirely something that depends on your hardware.... u dont make any sense at all. most of my hardware is 7 years old and this game runs with 60+ frames on ANY map.

PLAINS ARE BIG compared to the starchart, u cannot expect your 10 year old 200 $ pc hardware to run this. thats like asking EA to release fifa 2019 for ps2 and then u complain about it not running smooth enough... x'D

 

speak for whoever u want but its obviously not the majority... how many posts do we have here? 5 pages in 2 days? is that suppost to be the majority of the community? dont make me laugh. 

the only place i see ppl complain about the plains is here on the forums, never did any of my buddies say they cant run the game or plains are full of bugs or whatever....

most of these problems can be solved by=

having proper hardware

playing solo or atleast setting a max ping to <100

 

First of all, thanks for actually addressing my points even if it wasn't done very well, that's a step up from your last few responses to me.

Plains are a mix of about 3-4 different mission types when it comes to bounties actually. You have capture the target, assassinate the target which is just exterminate and capture morphed into one but its about 25 enemies so it might as well just be a reskinned capture, you have an escort which is just a glorified spy escort with a super boring defense since the machine is never in any real danger, and then you have the caches which is probably one of the only different mission types but if you have functioning ears, you can complete this mission in as little as around 30-45 seconds so i mean.. Yeah these missions have no variety at all and I'm not saying the other missions on the star chart are (although i do think they have more variety and are more fun) but at least the star chart missions aren't bugged. Again my point wasn't that you will get the relic you want, my point was that you can get any relic which is still UNIVERSALLY USED by everyone in this game versus the numerous bounty drops which are PLAINS EXCLUSIVE and players wont actually use. I'll just assume 20 is an exaggeration since its not 20.

How many times can I say that DE has already mentioned that they are currently working on ways for plains to both load faster and run easier before you stop questioning what kind of toaster people are playing on and blaming this issue on the player base? You don't make any sense at all. You are blatantly ignoring large portions of things I said and nitpicking at each point without using the actual reasoning to that point. That makes a hell of lot less sense than anything I've typed on this thread.

No you're right and that's why this content shouldn't be plains exclusive. Unvaulted relics shouldn't be only obtainable by people with PC's that can run plains. It's unfair to those players that have been able to run everything just fine except for plains. And again, that's not a small amount of players, did you see the forums when plains was released and all the posts talking about people being physically unable to run it?

Yeah 5 pages in 2 days on a SINGLE THREAD. Look at every other post, it starts to add up my friend.

Look at reddit and twitter and you'll see even more complaints but even the forums alone should be enough to show that people are unhappy.

Well I'm happy you and your buddies are fine with plains, unfortunately, that's a laughably small sample size compared to the entirety of the forums complaining about this.

You're so uninformed that I actually have no idea why I'm even responding to you at this point, you're like that friend that likes to argue about politics without actually knowing anything about politics and your only actual arguments are just brutally biased opinions with no factual input behind anything you say.

ALL of these problems can be solved by having an alternative place to farm them. That's one less option than your suggestions and its ALL problems instead of MOST problems. It also doesn't force people to go out and buy a new pc to participate in the unvaulting.

Edited February 7, 2018 by Azlare

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5 minutes ago, Venferious said:

Okay judging by how you type, you clearly have difficult time comprehending what is being typed. People don't want to play a mode where it's a roulette of things. Maybe they just like exterminate but don't like excavation. You have a hard time understanding that not everyone wants to play there. Just because YOU enjoy it, doesn't mean others will. Last I checked, you as an individual don't represent popular opinion and given that there are pages of complaints. That's evidence to support that claim. Mission types aren't the problem, it's the environment. There's no life on the plains, it's literally flat terrain with some hills....That's it.   

Judging by how you type i must've triggered you pretty badly....

Not representing a popular opinion? So you know that opinion? And again, ppl who dont have any trouble with this are not on reddit and the forums to complain about it...

Saying a games community with probably around half a million logins every single day is represented by 100 posts on the forums and another 100 on reddit is a joke.

9 minutes ago, Venferious said:

Never had that problem, I always got the relics I wanted by playing with the maps I enjoyed. Gives me variety and all you need is 1 relic, so you can chance it on a radiant share group and you're golden. The problem you're not understanding is when you put rewards behind content that isn't fully functional and has bugs that make the mode unplayable is the issue here. 

Regarding SSD, I am going to educate you about technology and tell you that an SSD won't make that much of an impact when it comes to FPS drops that players endure. Do you know the functionality of an SSD?  because I built PC's and I run over 100 fps on any map, what's your point?  How is an SSD going to fix bug related issues in content? Do you even read the stuff you type?  Again, your lack of reading comprehension is showing because you have no idea what you're talking about. If you actually read and not skimmed, you would maybe come to some kind of clarity. But I am going to assume english isn't your main language and you're making yourself look silly with your responses.

If you never had that problem than i guess you never actually farmed more than one relic.... and that one relic is not very likely to give you the part that you want, everybody knows that.

I've built my first PC when i was 10... 

But building PCs clearly doesnt make you an expert, because an SSD has a great impact on pretty much everything you do with your computer... but someone whos talking down on others like you should already knows that, right? And i never said anything about frames dropping in relation with SSD, so maybe you should read what i actually posted.

Its just so strange that i had like... two bugs in the whole time im playing PoE and none of them made me start a S#&amp;&#036;storm on the forums.

22 minutes ago, Venferious said:

You must be delusional. So setting max ping to < 100 and having proper hardware fixes bug issues that are confirmed by DE themselves? My goodness, the logic is so real right here. There's no point in trying to discuss with this subject with you.

I never said that, i never even said it would fix everything, but most of the bugs he described can be fixed by that. Reduced load times and a proper connection will very likely reduce the amounts of failed host migrations and the whole "being stuck behind the door at the cetus entrance" thing. 

[Azlare]

35 minutes ago, ..-Hayden-Tenno-.. said:

i dont think u got what i meant, maybe my english just sucks :D

 

i mean, someone who DOESNT have any problems with the plains will not come here and argue about it, they will be in game, grinding S#&amp;&#036;, playing the game... only the ones that have a problem with something will come here(atleast in most of the cases)... thats why you presume that the majority has a problem with the plains, when in fact the majority is playing the game right now while u sit here and complain about something they dont have any problem with. saying u are the majority when u can barely get to 5 pages in 2 days, in a game that has how many active players every day? 50k? 100k?.... what a joke lol

I don't think your english is the problem here, i think your lack of reading thourghly before responding to a topic is the problem here.

Are you implying that people can't talk on the forums and do missions at the same time? I'm currently farming the god awful plains while responding to you as we speak. Once again, LOOK AT THE OTHER THREADS, REDDIT AND TWITTER, you are acting as if I'm the only person with a problem and this single thread is the only thread complaining. I am speaking for the majority, I am not the majority. My problems with plains are different from someone else's problems, the fact of the matter is, a majority of people are unhappy with plains and the unvaulted relics being forced into them. Regardless of what their reasoning may be. The only joke here is the fact that you think the things you are saying are actually true..