Suzakiz Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 (edited) The damage remains the same (no problem with taking down 145 110 excal with 1shot in range)while the charge time reduced to 1 second. Everyone knows what it means. Edited February 10, 2018 by Suzakiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Zel Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 So it's basically used to shotgun people at close range while finishing them off with a secondary now. I've been using the daikyu ever since i started playing conclave and with all the recent changes it feels less like a bow. DE should revert recent changes to make it be used as the long range weapon it was supposed to be while also tweaking SLB a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ydracus Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Nope damage has been reduced slightly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skRose Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Mm, well the base damage was reduced from 500 down to 460 - but the IPS ratios were shifted around weighing in for a better chance at slash procs. The charge time is very much welcome! Would've been super happy if the proposed crit buff would have made it through as well, but the experience feels so much better as is for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Zel Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, skRose said: The charge time is very much welcome! 4 minutes ago, Ydracus said: Nope damage has been reduced slightly. this is pvp section lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ydracus Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 il y a 1 minute, skRose a dit : Mm, well the base damage was reduced from 500 down to 460 - but the IPS ratios were shifted around weighing in for a better chance at slash procs. The charge time is very much welcome! Would've been super happy if the proposed crit buff would have made it through as well, but the experience feels so much better as is for now. Ikr, was looking for that 30% crit chance too, well ... Still, time to remove Vile Acceleration ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skRose Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 1 minute ago, .Zel said: this is pvp section lol. Oh lord, my mistake ^^; sorry about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ydracus Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 (edited) il y a 4 minutes, .Zel a dit : this is pvp section lol. I don't use the forum much, just saw the title on "Last activity" feed ^^ Edited February 10, 2018 by Ydracus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormdragon Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, [DE]Megan said: Shrine of the Eidolon: Update 22.12.0Warframe Weapon Changes We are revisiting all weapons and adjusting their stats to fit into some Mastery Rank grouping guidelines based on DPS and Crit/Status split total. With this in mind, we are buffing a lot of the weapons you know and love! Again, a lot of this is as shown in the Dev Workshop, but our Update Notes are more widely read. General Notes: - Sadly, not noted here are BEAM weapons - they should be ready soon, but we are revisiting them to be more 'like they used to be' in terms of damage instances over time but with a fixed fire rate. Fire Rate mods and their effects are still being determined. The Beam Weapon Category is simply not ready for this Update, but we are still working on it! - Conclave Weapon damage rebalancing has been done separately to account for the changes. Reveal hidden contents Primary Rifles Mastery Rank 0-3 Braton Damage increased from 20 to 24 Karak Damage increased from 27 to 29 Tetra Damage increased from 30 to 32 Decreased recoil while aiming Increased accuracy while aiming Gorgon Increased accuracy while aiming Mastery Rank 4-6 Dera Damage increased from 22 to 30 Reload speed increased from 2.37 secs to 1.8 secs Very slight recoil added Prisma Tetra Damage increased from 35 to 38 Decreased recoil while aiming Increased accuracy while aiming Sybaris Increased damage from 70 to 80 Soma Damage increased from 10 to 12 Braton Vandal Ammo capacity increased to 550 Mastery Rank 7-9 Hema Damage increased from 45 to 47 No longer requires or consumes Rifle ammo Attica Damage decreased from 125 to 80 Stradavar Decreased automatic recoil Karak Wraith Damage increased from 30 to 31 Braton Prime Ammo capacity increased to 600 Dera Vandal Damage increased from 31 to 32 Reload speed increased from 2.37 secs to 1.8 secs Very slight recoil added Harpak Increased damage of Harpoon secondary fire from 50 to 100 Changed harpoon damage from 100% Puncture to 40% Impact, 50% Puncture and 10% Slash Grinlok Damage increased from 120 to 187 Mag size increased from 6 to 9 Reload speed increased from 2.1 secs to 1.7 secs Increased accuracy while aiming Gorgon Wraith Status chance increased from 15% to 21% Ammo capacity increased to 900 Increased accuracy while aiming Latron Wraith Damage increased from 55 to 60 MR 10-12 Tenora Damage increased from 23 to 24 (Primary Fire and Alt Fire) Increased the speed to reach max fire rate and accuracy from 25 rounds to 16 rounds Buzlok Increased projectile speed for primary and secondary fire Decreased recoil while aiming Burston Prime Damage decreased from 39 to 36 Tiberon Damage decreased from 60 to 44 Prisma Gorgon Damage decreased from 25 to 23 Prisma Grakata Damage increased from 11 to 15 Latron Prime Damage increased from 85 to 90 Telos Boltor Damage decreased from 50 to 30 Quartakk Damage increased from 27 to 49 Reload speed decreased from 1.7 secs to 1.9 secs Fire rate decreased Supra Increased Projectile Speed Increased accuracy while aiming Damage decreased from 45 to 40 MR 13-15 Boltor Prime Damage decreased from 55 to 46 Supra Vandal Increased projectile speed Increased accuracy while aiming Damage decreased from 45 to 40 Shotguns Reduced aimed zoom for all shotguns apart from the Astilla Mastery Rank 4-6 Drakgoon Quick shot damage increased from 35 to 40 (per pellet) Increased Projectile Speed Reduced charge time from 1 to .5 secs Projectile lifetime reduced from 4 secs to 2 Damage of charged shot decreased from 90 to 70 (per pellet) Mastery Rank 7-9 Sobek Reload speed increased from 4 secs to 2.7 secs Mastery Rank 10-12 Strun Wraith Damage increased from 30 to 40 (per pellet) Boar Prime Damage increased from 23 to 40 (per pellet) Arca Plasmor Mag size increased from 6 to 10 Launchers Mastery Rank 4-6 Tonkor Increased projectile speed Changed projectile life from 3 secs on launch to 1 sec after first bounce Scourge Damage from direct hits increased from 30 to 70 (Primary Fire) Mastery Rank 7-9 Ogris Increased Charge speed from 0.8 to 0.3 secs Increased Fire Rate Zarr Lessened the effect of gravity on the projectile Javlok Damage from direct hits increased from 185 to 230 (primary fire) Reload speed increased from 2.2 secs to 1.9 secs Removed camera shake when throwing spear Mastery Rank 10-12 Secura Penta Damage decreased from 375 to 300 Ammo capacity decreased from 30 to 28 Secondaries Mastery Rank 0-3 Seer Damage increased from 85 to 101 Reduced Aimed Zoom from 5x to 3.5x Kraken Damage increased from 45 to 49 Recoil decreased while aiming Kunai Damage increased from 45 to 46 AkLato Fire rate decreased Sicarus Recoil decreased while aiming Damage decreased from 40 to 30 Furis Accuracy increased while aiming Castanas Damage increased from 100 to 160 Increased speed of projectile Deployed damage radius increased from 2m to 3m Ammo pool decreased from 30 to 18 Mastery Rank 4-6 Viper Damage increased from 16 to 17 Reload speed increased from 1.1 to .7 secs Ammo capacity increased to 420 Twin Gremlins Damage increased from 30 to 37 Increased Projectile Speed Vasto Damage increased from 50 to 58 Despair Damage increased from 55 to 58 Cestra Increased the speed fire rate ramps up Ammo capacity increased from 210 to 420 Hikou Prime Damage increased from 32 to 36 Twin Vipers Damage increased from 16 to 17 Ammo capacity increased to 420 Viper Wraith Ammo capacity increased to 420 AkZani Decreased recoil while aiming Increased accuracy while aiming Damage decreased from 13 to 12 Angstrum Direct Impact damage increased from 175 to 200 Ammo capacity decreased from 30 to 18 Afuris Increased accuracy while aiming Decreased fire rate Kulstar Changed contact damage from Explosion to Impact Added guaranteed Knockdown to contact damage (Hoping it didn't carry over to pvp) Contact damage increased from 175 to 200 Radial damage increased from 200 to 300 Ammo capacity decreased from 30 to 15 Added recoil Decreased accuracy Mastery Rank 7-9 Spira Damage increased from 55 to 82 AkStiletto Damage increased from 18 to 28 Dual Cestra Increased the speed fire rate ramps up Increased mag size from 100 to 120 Ammo capacity increased from 210 to 480 Tysis Damage increased from 35 to 79 Mag size decreased from 15 to 11 Aksomati Ammo capacity increased to 420 Pox Direct impact damage increased from 50 to 77 Pandero Damage decreased from 76 to 72 (Primary and Alt Fire) AkVasto Damage increased from 50 to 58 Reload speed decreased from 1.8 to 2 secs Fire rate decreased Twin Vipers Wraith Ammo capacity increased to 440 Lato Vandal Damage decreased from 50 to 46 Fusilai Ammo pool decreased to 72 AkJagara Converted to burst fire that fires two rounds simultaneously Mag size increased from 24 to 36 Twin Grakatas Mastery Rank increased from 0 to 9 Talons Ammo capacity decreased from 20 to 12 Prisma Angstrum Direct Impact damage increased from 175 to 200 Ammo capacity decreased from 30 to 18 Mastery Rank 10-12 Magnus Damage increased from 45 to 76 Reload speed increased from 2 to 1.4 secs Secura Dual Cestra Increased the speed fire rate ramps up Mag size increased from 100 to 120 Ammo capacity increased from 210 to 480 Damage decreased from 30 to 28 AkMagnus Damage increased from 45 to 76 Reload speed increased from 3 secs to 2.4 secs Fire rate decreased Spira Prime Damage increased from 47 to 60 Dual Toxocyst Damage increased from 70 to 75 Frenzy buff on headshot can now be refreshed while it’s active Frenzy buff duration decreased from 6 to 3 secs Vasto Prime Reduced aimed recoil Damage decreased from 70 to 66 Telos AkBolto Damage decreased from 50 to 47 Dex Furis Ammo capacity increased to 400 Sancti Castanas Damage increased from 115 to 300 Increased speed of projectile Deployed damage radius increased from 2m to 3m Ammo pool decreased from 30 to 18 Mastery Rank 13-15 Lato Prime Damage increased from 37 to 48 Shotgun Secondaries Mastery Rank 0-3 Bronco Damage increased from 38 to 40 (per pellet) AkBronco Damage increased from 38 to 40 (per pellet) Mastery Rank 4-6 Kohmak Damage decreased from 17 to 15 Mastery Rank 7-9 Twin Rogga Damage increased from 40 to 47 (per pellet) Mara Detron Damage increased from 30 to 40 (per pellet) Fire rate decreased Mastery Rank 10-12 Twin Kohmaks Damage decreased from 17 to 15 Fire rate decreased Snipers Mastery Rank 0-3 Snipetron Damage increased from 175 to 180 Mastery Rank 4-6 Rubico Reload speed increased from 3 secs to 2.4 secs Damage decreased from 200 to 180 Mastery Rank 7-9 Vulkar Wraith Damage increased from 250 to 273 Mastery Rank 10-12 Lanka Quick shot damage increased from 150 to 200 Projectile speed increased Mastery Rank 13-15 Vectis Prime Damage increased from 325 to 350 Bows Mastery Rank 0-3 Paris Charge speed increased from 1 to 0.5 secs Mastery Rank 4-6 Dread Charge speed increased from 1 to 0.5 secs Cernos Charged shot damage increased from 200 to 220 Charge speed increased from 1 to 0.5 secs Mastery Rank 7-9 Mutalist Cernos Charge speed increased from 1 to 0.5 secs Paris Prime Charged shot damage increased from 200 to 260 Charge speed increased from 1 to 0.5 secs Mastery Rank 10-12 Daikyu Physical damage changed from 20% Impact, 60% Puncture and 20% Slash to 30% Impact, 40% Puncture and 30% Slash Charge speed increased from 1.75 to 1 secs Charge can now be held indefinitely Damage decreased from 500 to 460 Cernos Prime Charge speed increased from 1 to 0.5 secs Reload speed increased from 1 sec to .65 secs Added Secondary Fire Mode toggle that shoots a vertical spread of 3 arrows Added innate +50% damage to headshots Sad to say it, but since most of the weapons are balanced for PvP using damage multipliers of their PvE values while keeping them the same mechanically, I expected to see daikyu (and other weapons) getting imbalanced once this changes went live despite the claims of "Conclave Weapon damage rebalancing has been done separately to account for the changes". The list from the quoted post may give you some ideas of what to expect from other weapons. Sadly can't remove content from quoted spoilers, but I'm sure most of the people around knows exactly what stat changes to omit when looking for things that will most likely break the balance in conclave (can't give them a try myself yet, reason why I'm not pointing fingers at any other weapon yet) Edit: Realized that editing comment seems to allow me to edit quoted spoilers, so I'm gonna skim through the post deleting pointless changes. Edit2: Removed all weapon changes pointless to conclave, such as MR changes, status chance, crit chance, crit damage and improvements to VFX from the list. I think it's worth noting that there may have been some undocumented changes on this update, hence won't be discovered until someone runs some in game tests. Edited February 10, 2018 by Stormdragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loxyen Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 (edited) IDK why they changed the Daikyu in first place. In pve aswell in pvp it was a viable and fun weapon. Slow rate of fire but hits like a truck. DE some people like those kind of weapons. Why are you changing most of them into miniguns? In pve Daikyu was a great alternative for those faster bows and in pvp it kept a neat width of balance. (talking about pvp those other bows should've been touched instead of the Daikyu) I suggest to revert the pve change from pvp and keep Daikyu the same it was, because it was in a good spot there. From release until now we already struggled through enough changes on that weapon don't you think? Edited February 12, 2018 by Loxyen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loxyen Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 (edited) On 10.2.2018 at 4:08 AM, .Zel said: So it's basically used to shotgun people at close range while finishing them off with a secondary now. I've been using the daikyu ever since i started playing conclave and with all the recent changes it feels less like a bow. DE should revert recent changes to make it be used as the long range weapon it was supposed to be while also tweaking SLB a little. - lower the close range dmg - buff long range dmg through SLB (- revert the charge speed buff) optional but recommended if nothing above is done - keep the old flight speed... 180 is just annoying... change it back to 200 as it used to be Edited February 12, 2018 by Loxyen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loxyen Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 On 10.2.2018 at 4:15 AM, .Zel said: The charge time is very much welcome! not really tbh It was good as it was. Maybe could've used a few more dmg points or crit/status in pve but thats it. It was still decent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazrethim Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 En 12/2/2018 a las 19:00, Loxyen dijo: - lower the close range dmg - buff long range dmg through SLB (- revert the charge speed buff) optional but recommended if nothing above is done - keep the old flight speed... 180 is just annoying... change it back to 200 as it used to be -Reduce damage accordingly to the charge mechanics by comparison to other bows. -Make SLB increase damage by 40% if target is 15 or more meters away, but reduce it by the same value if target is 10m or closer. Or introduce a new Aura that reduces all Gun damage (Shotguns excluded) when closer than 7m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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