yrtsim3k Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) Hello DE, Thank you for the massive nerfs or changes as some would call it to Ember and Banshee. I do hope that you will continue the trend of your good nerfing / changes / balancing work and introduce more nerfs / changes / balances to these frames that require a rework. I know and can understand where you are coming from with the press 1 Ability and forget about everything else to wipe out content in the game with little to zero effort with the likes of Ember in high level content from L1-40 as well as Banshee's amazing Resonating Quake that wipes out everything high level from L1-50ish 60 in many many tile sets with one in particular namely Hydron that requires such drastic changes to their core abilities. With that being said, these are some frames that require some massive balances and changes in order to maintain the order and balance of your brilliance in frames management when it comes to their performances in tileset. 1. Inaros - A frame that is extremely OP that needs to be looked into, based on the current changes / balances to frames like ember and banshee.....since almost every INaros I have seen in game including mine uses only 1 ability that has 0 energy requirement. All we Inaros users do is to press 4 till scarab armor reaches 100%, slap on Negation swarm, armed with weak melee weapons such as scoliac and guandao and maiming strike, can relatively rip through almost all levels of content with relative ease and not dying once. In fact, the only thing that I remembered killing my 6820 health Inaros with over 1.2k armor was a point blank shot from a post level 100 juggernaut in a kUva flood or a phase 3 infested sortie. I mean, ALL i ever do is press 4 Once at the start of a mission and never press anything else after other than to melee or shoot!. Let me reiterate, NOTHING kills my Inaros except a direct hit from a L100+ juggernaut. Surely this needs some balancing!! 2. Loki - Now I am pretty sure I am gonna get a lot of flak for saying this but its true! I press and use his ability 2 more than anything else in his skill set, with the right build along with Quick thinking and a high energy pool while getting Pseudo Perma Invisibility, Loki pretty m uch tears thru every single content with the exception of some mission types with absolute ease, surely this requires some sort of balancing!!!! Because all I do is press 2 and 2 again when it expires,, oh did i mention i have Invisiblity of over 32 seconds as well? Who needs to use his 1, 3 or 4 even honestly, its only 2, 2, 2 and more 2 key presses in a mission!! The only difference is, Ember presses 4 once for an entire mission, Banshee presses 4 a few times less whereas Loki needs to press 2 more frequently! 3. Gara - Gara's Ability 2 needs a nerf! Come on DE, 90% damage reduction? That is just too much!! Other than defense type missions, every other high level content is easily steam rolled thru with Gara's insane Damage reduction Ability, Alll I ever do or all anyone I play with ever do is press 2 and 4 to refresh that 90% damage reduction buff! Same issue with Inaros, the only thing that one shot Gara is Juggernaut's ranged attack at point blank!! Please do some balancing for Gara's 2, b ecause thats the only ability that me and my friends ever use for ALL the high level content! 4. Limbo - Ever seen Limbos in mobile defense or certain spy missions like corpus ones? They are too OP!! Noone in the team can kill anything for mobile defense or in certain defense type missions unless they use melee attacks or abilities and even so, mobs trapped at the edges of Limbo's ability 4 are really hard to kill! If your idea of balancing Ember and Banshee is any indication of whatever you guys are thinking, then PLEASE look at Limbo's ability 4 and 2 when used in conjunction for mobile defense missions, its literally Use those 2 abilities and AFK for 90 seconds! I am sure you guys play your own game to know that, right?? Oh, not to mention, Limbo possesses the most OP troll ability in game, his ability 3, have you guys tried that ability yet? You definitely should!! 5. Equinox - Need i say more? Nerf that Maim!! My apologies for the wrong use of a word, what I meant was, "CHANGE" that Maim! Everyone who is reading this, whether you agree or disagree, its ok!! But please do feel free to add more if you think I have missed anything out. Please do consider all these "changes" !!! P.S. While you guys at DE are at it, Maiming Strike, Arcane Energize, Arcane Grace (Know what makes Inaros literally an Undead frame?) and Blood Rush interaction with Critical Attacks on Slide attacks. Edited February 19, 2018 by yrtsim3k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinKenshin Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 can't tell if this is a joke or not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiralmenace Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 >no mention of valkyr it's a troll thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizzarugi Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 11 minutes ago, yrtsim3k said: P.S. While you guys at DE are at it, Maiming Strike, ... and Blood Rush interaction with Critical Attacks on Slide attacks. The only correct thing here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yrtsim3k Posted February 19, 2018 Author Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, spiralmenace said: >no mention of valkyr it's a troll thread Ah sorry my friend, I apologise for leaving valkyr out, but what I said above is true! Do you want me to include valkyr as well? I can if you want me to! Actually, no I cant, Valkyr is one of my favourite frames, I think she is too weak to be included in the list as frames to be nerfed. Edited February 19, 2018 by yrtsim3k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landario Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) this is clearly a troll message. I wish it would have at least some mild smooth humor aspect build into it though. LACKING ! Edited February 19, 2018 by Landario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yrtsim3k Posted February 19, 2018 Author Share Posted February 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Pizzarugi said: The only correct thing here. Yes my friend, you are entitled to your own opinions! I completely respect that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yrtsim3k Posted February 19, 2018 Author Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Landario said: this is clearly a troll message No, I never intended it to be a troll thread. I meant every single thing that I said with regards to those frames. I am sorry if my intentions come across to you as trolling, a thousand apologies in that case. Edited February 19, 2018 by yrtsim3k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yrtsim3k Posted February 19, 2018 Author Share Posted February 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, Landario said: this is clearly a troll message. I wish it would have at least some mild smooth humor aspect build into it though. LACKING ! Again, my apologies if this has come across to you as a troll message. I never intended it to be! As for the mild smooth humour aspect, that has never been my forte for the most part, thus if that was lacking for your humour palate, I apologise again! But, that being said, I appreciate your time and effort reading the post. Thank you for the constructive criticism! In future, I will try my best to inject some mild smooth humour to my posts to satiate your needs for mild and smooth humour! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throwaway987654321 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Stop. Let people enjoy things. Use trash frames that limit you to spending twice or thrice as long grinding the same content you've experienced a hundred times before. If you want. Meanwhile, leave the rest of us in peace so we can enjoy warframes having actual affect on the gameplay. Nothing is ever "overpowered" in a horde shooter. Nothing is ever overpowered in a PvE game. Nothing is ever overpowered if you enjoy the concept of choice and fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yrtsim3k Posted February 19, 2018 Author Share Posted February 19, 2018 59 minutes ago, Dawson1917 said: Stop. Let people enjoy things. Use trash frames that limit you to spending twice or thrice as long grinding the same content you've experienced a hundred times before. If you want. Meanwhile, leave the rest of us in peace so we can enjoy warframes having actual affect on the gameplay. Nothing is ever "overpowered" in a horde shooter. Nothing is ever overpowered in a PvE game. Nothing is ever overpowered if you enjoy the concept of choice and fun. I totally agree with your post despite the fact that in doing so completely contradicts with what I just said. You should tell that to DE though. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spirally Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 As I go down your list of things that you think ought to be nerfed, I am reminded that almost every single Warframe in the game is incredibly strong to the point of being silly. The kicker, though, is if the frame is so strong that it keeps other people from being silly overpowered alongside you. Nerfs to Banshee and Ember were sort of needed, as they resembled pre-patch Mesa, where nobody would be able to kill anything and it more or less just became a game of "try not to get flagged as AFK before extraction." Maim stops being useful for instakills past level 15, requiring you to charge it up a bit before you can actually drop the nuke. Inaros is a cheese-frame through and through, and nerfing him to the point of him actually taking damage would more or less make him useless, or at least force you to be constantly feasting on someone with your second ability. Loki can go invisible for a long time, but the moment anyone spots him, his Kleenex-level health bar will get him more or less instakilled. Limbo is a fantastic solo frame if you know what you're doing, and can be a savior in anything needing defense. Finally, Gara's 2 is currently the only ability she has worth using, and nerfing it would make her nonexistent. In the meantime, go ahead and add to the list: Rhino (armor and CC), Wukong (immortality with benefits), Atlas (4-3-1 for days, and incredible armor now that the patch is out), Volt (CC and damage out the wazoo, especially in crowds), Oberon (infinite heals and status immunity, along with a good bit of armor), Nyx (ability to render an entire mob of enemies entirely useless by pressing 3), Trinity (infinite heals, infinite energy), Harrow (200% crit on headshot? Must need a nerf), Chroma (insane damage boost and armor boost), Nekros (he makes loot, that's too op, makes game too easy), Nidus (tons of hp, hp regen, and ability to buff allies by silly amounts), Nova (I don't even need to explain her), Saryn (spores, spores, spores), Titania (too tiny to hit, gets machine guns), Valkyr (invincibility and instakill machine), Vauban (ever used repelling bastille?), and Zephyr (now super speedy on plains, and her 3 makes her more or less immortal). That's about half the frames in the entire game. Being strong is not a bad thing. Being strong to the point of disrupting others is. None of the frames you listed besides Limbo disrupt others, but a nerf to Limbo wouldn't even help the problem. Let people enjoy things. Not everything needs to be balanced to be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djternan Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Obvious troll is obvious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)DarkFist91 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Gotta be a troll. Games are supposed to be fun. Begging for the nerf hammer just because you don't like how some of the frames work ruins that for other people. Besides the frames you mentioned are by no means Op. If your gonna whine about frames deserving nerfs mention the right ones...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Trey- Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Nice bait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanrythzx Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) hes obviously very ironic because of the recent "nerfs" Edited February 20, 2018 by Vanrythzx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)salovel1991 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 16 hours ago, Spirally said: As I go down your list of things that you think ought to be nerfed, I am reminded that almost every single Warframe in the game is incredibly strong to the point of being silly. The kicker, though, is if the frame is so strong that it keeps other people from being silly overpowered alongside you. Nerfs to Banshee and Ember were sort of needed, as they resembled pre-patch Mesa, where nobody would be able to kill anything and it more or less just became a game of "try not to get flagged as AFK before extraction." Maim stops being useful for instakills past level 15, requiring you to charge it up a bit before you can actually drop the nuke. Inaros is a cheese-frame through and through, and nerfing him to the point of him actually taking damage would more or less make him useless, or at least force you to be constantly feasting on someone with your second ability. Loki can go invisible for a long time, but the moment anyone spots him, his Kleenex-level health bar will get him more or less instakilled. Limbo is a fantastic solo frame if you know what you're doing, and can be a savior in anything needing defense. Finally, Gara's 2 is currently the only ability she has worth using, and nerfing it would make her nonexistent. In the meantime, go ahead and add to the list: Rhino (armor and CC), Wukong (immortality with benefits), Atlas (4-3-1 for days, and incredible armor now that the patch is out), Volt (CC and damage out the wazoo, especially in crowds), Oberon (infinite heals and status immunity, along with a good bit of armor), Nyx (ability to render an entire mob of enemies entirely useless by pressing 3), Trinity (infinite heals, infinite energy), Harrow (200% crit on headshot? Must need a nerf), Chroma (insane damage boost and armor boost), Nekros (he makes loot, that's too op, makes game too easy), Nidus (tons of hp, hp regen, and ability to buff allies by silly amounts), Nova (I don't even need to explain her), Saryn (spores, spores, spores), Titania (too tiny to hit, gets machine guns), Valkyr (invincibility and instakill machine), Vauban (ever used repelling bastille?), and Zephyr (now super speedy on plains, and her 3 makes her more or less immortal). That's about half the frames in the entire game. Being strong is not a bad thing. Being strong to the point of disrupting others is. None of the frames you listed besides Limbo disrupt others, but a nerf to Limbo wouldn't even help the problem. Let people enjoy things. Not everything needs to be balanced to be fun. Volts duration on Discharge was halved from 12 to 6. No further nerfs needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
low1991 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Let's just nerf all frame to base health n shield without energy/abilities. Then we will have a balance game. Might as well play COD/BF or something. /joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanillu Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 " 5. Equinox - Need i say more? Nerf that Maim!! My apologies for the wrong use of a word, what I meant was, "CHANGE" that Maim! " Wait hold on I got the perfect thing for this thread. The irony in actually wanting to nerf equinox and other statements u said is exactly why people aren't taking you seriously... If you're even being serious are you even playing Warframe? Because I'm not sure if you're playing the same one as me if you think Equinox is op. The last time I heard someone complain about a frame for it being tanky like Inaros, I left my room giggling. You make it sound as if survivability is a problem? Extreme bait and troll thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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