Frost Needs Some Love

[Jamescell]

The DEVS have said that they want all frames on Nova and Vaubans level, heres is a way tomhopefully do that with frost. I wouldn't like to call this a rework because when people hear rework they think it means taking their frame into a radically different direction, and forcing the player to re-familiarize themselves with the frame afterwards. This is not a rework in that sense, I am to add cohesion to the Frost Warframe. Frost should be one of the next down the line of Warframe improvements, especially because there is a prime version, and who wants a mediocre prime?

Ability 1 Upgrade, Cryo Shot: Frost imbues his ammunition with a sub-zero freezing agent, and for the duration of the ability all bullets shot will freeze enemies in a transparent coating of ice. If an enemy is killed while frozen, the frozen enemy will explode, dealing no damage but instead freezing other enemies or resetting the freeze timer of already frozen enemies. Ammunition when active with this ability does 100% freeze damage. This is the start to upgrading frost out of the 2 skill frame category he is currently in. A much more useful, unique and expressive ability for a well rounded Frost. Lets face it, his first ability is really just a single target long duration stun, which is only useful if you are playing a mission way out of your league and come across a heavy unit.

Ability 2 Redo, Glacial Flare: Frost conjures a ball of rotating ice underneath himself, the ball quickly grows for about 2 or 3 seconds while he stands on top of it, then he thrusts an arm down, shattering the formation and sending a wave of frozen shards 360 degrees around the shatered ice ball. Frozen shards would do a small amount of ice damage and hurl enemies away from the casting zone, pinning enemies much like excaliburs radial javelin on contact with the nearest surafce, but this would affect all enemies, dead or alive. The pin would have a short duration, when maxed without mods around twenty seconds, but the impact of the blast would have high velocity, sending enemies flying. This would allow Frost to have a hybrid of a utility/ crowd-control ability, working in perfect unison with his third ability.

Ability 4 Visual, Improved: Make Frost's fourth ability look more powerful, add a swarm of whirling shards of ice to the mist. Almost looking like a school of fish all swimming in unison, doesn't really matter though, fourth ability is satisfactory.

Edited August 10, 2013 by Jamescell

[Jamescell]

Please comment if in favor so the post will be able to get more attention.

[Clarencezer]

I was hoping we could somehow evolve abilities like a certain post i have read long ago.

 

It would be cool if frost skills were like:

 

1) Freeze,when given an upgrade evolution it can either shoot up to 3 arcing blasts or a powerful icicle that impales it's target dealing damage as well as freezing them.

 

2)Ice Wave,when given an upgrade evolution it turns the shards into ice block boulder looking waves that can push the enemies back or a progressingly traveling ice wave with shards turning itself into a wider spread arc when executed.

 

3)Snow Globe,when given an upgrade evolution the ability to coat bullets with freeze damage just like Volt's shields skill or  a barrier of sharp icicles around its perimeter damaging any incoming enemies entering the globe.

 

4)Avalanche,when given an upgrade evolution it either manipulated moisture around heavily forming sharp icicles around it's range hailing down upon the enemy or manipulates the moisture around to render the enemy immobilized for a period of time as well as causing them to be damaged upon breakage,acting as a heavier freeze skill as well.

Edited August 11, 2013 by Clarencezer

[Jamescell]

I may have been the one who made that post, but over time I have come to the conclusion it really isn't necessary and makes the logistics of the game very complicated.

[Clarencezer]

I may have been the one who made that post, but over time I have come to the conclusion it really isn't necessary and makes the logistics of the game very complicated.

Still though....the ideas sounded pretty badass if you picture it happening!

[Niryco]

To be honest, i just want to craft a frost but since i can't there is no love for this frame.

[Jamescell]

So.. what you guys think about the new abilities...

[AdmiralAvalanche]

admiral avalanche approves this 100% of the way through

[Eisvogel]

Since frost has one of the most OP defensive skills in game, i'd hardly say it needs anything else.... it can already make a squad virtually immortal with just globe, and ice wave and avalanche are decent. And he is of course the must have in non infested def..... and that's practically the only missions we do besides bosses..... if anything, they should start killing globe and bastille to make it a bit less auto GG before adding more power

[Jamescell]

Are you serious? "he's good because he's a one trick pony" he may have a very op defensive ability already but he isn't on Nova or Vauban's level. It's not as fun to have a frame with only one Nova level ability, and the first two being pretty much useless.

[DAWGUNITALPHA]

Lose the god-tier snowglobe and then I'll agree he can be buffed.

 

 

Are you serious? "he's good because he's a one trick pony" he may have a very op defensive ability already but he isn't on Nova or Vauban's level. It's not as fun to have a frame with only one Nova level ability, and the first two being pretty much useless.

You mean like nova or vauban? Why should frost be better then them and get four excellent abilities.

[gell]

I've suggested ways to improve Frost in the past, but things don't go too far on this forum. Because Snow Globe is an OP defensive ability, people are quick to say that he doesn't need a buff. I say he needs a rebalance, which includes nerfs and buffs.

 

I won't go into it here, but Snow Globe needs a way to both die faster and also remain up longer. One idea includes break away panels of ice, with recasting refreshing the globe, rather than creating two globes about 1 foot apart overlapping, which both looks silly and serves no real purpose.

 

As for your suggestions, I think the first is creative, but seems extremely OP, at least compared to Freeze. Sure, if you think DE wants Frost to be on the level of Vauban's Bastille (not counting bosses, as Bastille doesn't affect bosses quite the same as regular enemies), then it might be okay. The issue here being that he needs a low energy ability, and this is too OP for that. For at least 75 energy, could be good with some tweaking.

 

For #2, I'm not sure how pinning works since Javelin only really pins dead enemies (ragdolls). For everything else, they just stun/stagger briefly. If that's enough, sure. Frost could probably use a form of push like Banshee. Otherwise, pinning doens't really work. There aren't any anims set up, and I don't condone usage of ragdolls in WF as they are extremely glitchy (yes, I think things that cause ragdolling in this game should be reworked, such as Kestrel, due to technical physics issues DE will likely never overcome).

 

For a #2 I still (totally biased) prefer my idea of laying down a long strip of ice, like the ones you see in the Void. Decent damage like Ice Wave is now (becoming useless as enemies scale up currently), but leaves a lingering trail of slowing after the shards fall away.

[Jamescell]

Agreed, snow globe needs to have a damage cap or should reduce damage when firing from inside.

[Jamescell]

@DAWNGUNITALPHA snow globe is on tier with the abilities of Nova or Vauban, but Frost as a whole is unbalanced and lacks a cohesive set of abilities.

Frost is not that rewarding to play because the only thing people value you for is your globe, always telling you to use it, and it's really the only thing you CAN use because it's his only truly useful ability

[Eisvogel]

@DAWNGUNITALPHA snow globe is on tier with the abilities of Nova or Vauban, but Frost as a whole is unbalanced and lacks a cohesive set of abilities.

Frost is not that rewarding to play because the only thing people value you for is your globe, always telling you to use it, and it's really the only thing you CAN use because it's his only truly useful ability

 

 

Are you serious? "he's good because he's a one trick pony" he may have a very op defensive ability already but he isn't on Nova or Vauban's level. It's not as fun to have a frame with only one Nova level ability, and the first two being pretty much useless.

 

 

You are mistaken buddy. And yes, i am very serious.

At most, you can say globe is on par with Vauban...... It's far superior than Nova and it's plain clear why.... globe will work as godly and effectively against ANY enemy. No matter how much level or damage it takes, you will always be able to sustain it infinitely and be impenetrable. And hell.... if you say a frame with such uber OP defensive skill it's not on par with them, what's left for the rest of the frames? :P

 

When Frost gets globe taken away, we can talk about buffing his damage skills if you want.