rune_me Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 28 minutes ago, Netami said: Don't blow this thing out of proportion >_> It's kinda funny and that's about it. It's a fun game which hopefully won't get ruined by DE suing them... over a tiny icon which was a mistake at worst. Like I said above, I'm also pretty sure it's a mistake. DE don't really have to sue them, all they need to do is send a cease and desist letter asking them to remove it. If the developers comply and replace the icon, that it is. There is no legal need for further action. Of course if DE starts demanding money for units already sold, that's a different matter. Technically, they probably have the right to. But that would make them look petty and would probably have some real backlash. Not many will root for the big successful indie developer going after the small, new up-and-coming indie company for something as small as an in game icon, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptix123 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Netami said: Don't blow this thing out of proportion >_> It's kinda funny and that's about it. It's a fun game which hopefully won't get ruined by DE suing them... over a tiny icon which was a mistake at worst. They kinda have to. Legally, if they don't defend their trademark then they can lose it: look at the Games Workshop v Chapterhouse Studios case and all the changes to GW branding that followed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptix123 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Netami said: Double Post Edited March 19, 2018 by Cryptix123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)robotwars7 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) the skill/perk that symbol is used for in The Council is Archaeology: how on earth does that symbol represent archaeology? if it were a Shovel or something it's make more sense. even if I'd never heard of Warframe, I wouldn't guess that symbol had anything to do with digging up really old stuff from the ground. they probably borrowed Stock images for the game and our Lotus Symbol just sort of popped up (or one of the Devs is a fan of Warframe). edit: my bad wasn't looking at the mouse icon in that photo. Edited March 19, 2018 by (PS4)robotwars7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeMonkey Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, (PS4)robotwars7 said: the skill/perk that symbol is used for in The Council is Archaeology: how on earth does that symbol represent archaeology? if it were a Shovel or something it's make more sense. even if I'd never heard of Warframe, I wouldn't guess that symbol had anything to do with digging up really old stuff from the ground. they probably borrowed Stock images for the game and our Lotus Symbol just sort of popped up (or one of the Devs is a fan of Warframe). Archaeologist is the top right one that they're hovering over, looks like a vase or a pot. The red outline may look like the generic ''currently selected icon'', but it isn't in this game. I have no idea what talent the one provides, although if it's a stealth one that'll be quite interesting. Edited March 19, 2018 by DeMonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rune_me Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, (PS4)robotwars7 said: the skill/perk that symbol is used for in The Council is Archaeology: how on earth does that symbol represent archaeology? if it were a Shovel or something it's make more sense. even if I'd never heard of Warframe, I wouldn't guess that symbol had anything to do with digging up really old stuff from the ground. they probably borrowed Stock images for the game and our Lotus Symbol just sort of popped up (or one of the Devs is a fan of Warframe). It's not archaeology, though. The mouse in the screencap is hovering over another icon in the upper right corner. EDIT: lol, @DeMonkeybeat me to it. Edited March 19, 2018 by rune_me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krekireftw Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 de: hi i noticed that this is pretty close to our logo could u pls change it council dev: ok sure de: thanks why are people trying to acting so aggressive it's easy as that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawn11715 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Actually I think it would be funny if the symbol would stay in that game and the devs would add some warframe easteregg like the minecraft cave in Borderlands 2. Doesnt need to be that big though, could be just a hidden painting with clem on it ;) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixcandy Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 40 minutes ago, (PS4)robotwars7 said: the skill/perk that symbol is used for in The Council is Archaeology: how on earth does that symbol represent archaeology? if it were a Shovel or something it's make more sense. even if I'd never heard of Warframe, I wouldn't guess that symbol had anything to do with digging up really old stuff from the ground. they probably borrowed Stock images for the game and our Lotus Symbol just sort of popped up (or one of the Devs is a fan of Warframe). edit: my bad wasn't looking at the mouse icon in that photo. The Lotus symbol in The Council is used for a talent called "Seductive" 36 minutes ago, DeMonkey said: Archaeologist is the top right one that they're hovering over, looks like a vase or a pot. The red outline may look like the generic ''currently selected icon'', but it isn't in this game. I have no idea what talent the one provides, although if it's a stealth one that'll be quite interesting. The Red box in the image I added to highlight the icon that was the focus of the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnage2K4 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 4 hours ago, DeMonkey said: Archaeologist is the top right one that they're hovering over, looks like a vase or a pot. The red outline may look like the generic ''currently selected icon'', but it isn't in this game. I have no idea what talent the one provides, although if it's a stealth one that'll be quite interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rune_me Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, Carnage2K4 said: It's that Lotus cleavage I tell you. Works like a charm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ventura_Highway Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 22 hours ago, Tellakey said: This is kinda petty. So what if another game is using Warframe's symbol? The fact that it's illegal doesn't make it that bad. Technically all of those companies taking down youtubers for 'appropriating' their music/footage is legal but that's just greedy BS. Do you really want DE to go that road? Rules are usually there for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferah_Frithu Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 6 hours ago, Netami said: Don't blow this thing out of proportion >_> It's kinda funny and that's about it. It's a fun game which hopefully won't get ruined by DE suing them... over a tiny icon which was a mistake at worst. Eh, I truly doubt it was a mistake. That's one of the first things you learn as any kind of content creator (audio engineer, 3D artist ect.) - If you did not make it yourself, and did not obtain a license allowing the usage of the acquired pre-made content, do not use it. Using images off of Google is something you might expect from a random person fiddling around in a game engine, but not from a development team which develops a game for both of the major consoles and PC. Unprofessional and sloppy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jestonhomme Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Wow, I didn't know Harvard University lawyers played this game too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixcandy Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Jestonhomme said: Wow, I didn't know Harvard University lawyers played this game too I know your joking but I bet you some do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sitchrea Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, Jestonhomme said: Wow, I didn't know Harvard University lawyers played this game too You don't have to be a Harvard lawyer to realize this is illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rune_me Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 32 minutes ago, Jestonhomme said: Wow, I didn't know Harvard University lawyers played this game too You also don't need to be a Harvard lawyer to know the law just in general. Even though it's boring as hell, everyone should study the law of whatever country they live in. Especially those parts of the law that relates to you and however you make your living. Know your rights, don't just assume that others will uphold them for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanille Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) On 18/3/2018 at 8:15 PM, Tellakey said: This is kinda petty. So what if another game is using Warframe's symbol? The fact that it's illegal doesn't make it that bad. Technically all of those companies taking down youtubers for 'appropriating' their music/footage is legal but that's just greedy BS. Do you really want DE to go that road? In the artistic and content creation world, things like logos, which represent whole games/sites/whatever, are actually really important, as exaggerated as it sounds. If you're making a game for profit, make your own stuff instead of taking others people hard work. As someone who tried comissioning logos as freelancer, it would be really S#&$ty when I took time designing an eye-catchy logo and a lazy #*!% comes and uses it and earn money with it. Even fi it's just an icon, they show they don't care what content their own game has or has copied from, as long as it makes them money, which is sad. When you have an art team, you make sure their work is original. Edited March 19, 2018 by Kiwinille Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nokturnihs Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Used to work in TOS for a major web hosting company - to do my job had to learn a little bit about trademark and copyright law (and DMCA, malware removal, etc, etc) - so... Trademarks are a big problem if you violate them by using them without explicit written permission. If you have a trademark and do not explicitly DEFEND your trademark you can lose said trademark. That said, laws may be a little different in Canada but I'm assuming not. If that is the case DE has a legal OBLIGATION to defend their trademark. That could be as simple as issuing a takedown of the image in question or could be as severe as taking down the game. I have nothing against the council game but when it comes to trademarks there's no defense really against them - it's not like other copyrighted materials - its pretty black and white and every time I saw a case of trademark violation in my job at TOS the person who didn't own it was more than willing to do whatever the trademark owner wanted to ensure they kept their business (website) running. Well, except for the clothing counterfeiting companies but they got permanent boots from our hosting company and IP banned... Just my input. Feel sorry for both parties because overall it's usually a bit of a pain in the behind all around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Atlantisrulez Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Wait, it's symbol is for seductive manipulation?.. I guess the waifu lotus pack has taken over the council.. As for the trademark issue, DE could just ask them too change it if they cared at all. If the council says no then it could be an issue, but why would they choose not too? It's just a little icon. Not worth getting their game sued over, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sitchrea Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, (PS4)Atlantisrulez said: Wait, it's symbol is for seductive manipulation?.. I guess the waifu lotus pack has taken over the council.. As for the trademark issue, DE could just ask them too change it if they cared at all. If the council says no then it could be an issue, but why would they choose not too? It's just a little icon. Not worth getting their game sued over, right? Companies have sued over trademark issues for less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Atlantisrulez Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, Sitchrea said: Companies have sued over trademark issues for less. Yeah, I know, but what I really mean is, does DE really seem the type of company to do it or seem like it's worth it? DE is no EA. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sitchrea Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, (PS4)Atlantisrulez said: Yeah, I know, but what I really mean is, does DE really seem the type of company to do it or seem like it's worth it? DE is no EA. lol They have to do something, though. Trademark law requires it, or they'll lose the trademark of the Lotus symbol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixcandy Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, (PS4)Atlantisrulez said: Yeah, I know, but what I really mean is, does DE really seem the type of company to do it or seem like it's worth it? DE is no EA. lol It doesn't really matter if your the type of company that would do it or not, They have trademarked the logo which means they have to uphold the law on fighting to keep the logo. Also if the company "DE" has shareholders then they MUST do this and also have to by law do it in a way that would make money for the shareholders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Atlantisrulez Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Yeah, I know your both right. Besides it the council's fault for putting in there without checking first. It would just be a bummer if DE gets hate in the gaming community for a situation the other company caused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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