MirageKnight Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 57 minutes ago, IceColdHawk said: You act like it's a complete new kind of weapon when it's not. No...that's you making an assumption about what I'm saying and thinking... I'm well aware that Kronen P is a blinged and supposedly buffed version of Kronen. As I said, the stats we have now are highly likely to change with the melee rework. 1 hour ago, IceColdHawk said: People don't like paying lots of bucks or grinding their days for a mediocre small upgrade of an existing weapon when every other prime is a significant upgrade. As I said before, there's a massive balance for melee weapons coming soon. You all might want to put down the pitchforks and torches and lower your voices a bit and wait to see what transpires. 1 hour ago, cookieknife said: dude. its a matter of numbers how can you look at a weapon and not see if its good or not by looking at the stats? How something performs on paper does not necessarily equal how it performs in the wild. Even slight differences in stats can amount to fairly significant buffs when mods are factored in. 1 hour ago, cookieknife said: especially with what we've had before. If you're referring to the fact that Reach doesn't seem to affect Kronen, - or Tonfas in general - then that's something that needs to be fixed and I'm in favor of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Lei-Lei_23 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 From my tests with the Kronen Primes (I bought the Prime Access), it does have a unique effect but I’m still trying to understand what it exactly is. Apparently enemies killed by the Kronen Primes cause them to explode via a miniature “airburst pop,” making their body parts fly all over the place. Haven’t seen this effect proc any form of CC, stagger, or ragdoll unto nearby enemies (unless Corrupted Heavy Gunners have some form of CC resistance). Limbs projected from the burst may injure nearby enemies, but I can’t exactly be too sure about it. Overall, I’m starting to feel that this is purely cosmetic. Can anyone comment with regards to this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)lhbuch Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 What should been buffed was its low range not been affected by reach mods. A weapon with high slide dmg with such low range does not make any sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)DBR87 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 27 minutes ago, (PS4)Lei-Lei_23 said: From my tests with the Kronen Primes (I bought the Prime Access), it does have a unique effect but I’m still trying to understand what it exactly is. Apparently enemies killed by the Kronen Primes cause them to explode via a miniature “airburst pop,” making their body parts fly all over the place. Haven’t seen this effect proc any form of CC, stagger, or ragdoll unto nearby enemies (unless Corrupted Heavy Gunners have some form of CC resistance). Limbs projected from the burst may injure nearby enemies, but I can’t exactly be too sure about it. Overall, I’m starting to feel that this is purely cosmetic. Can anyone comment with regards to this? I am guessing it's bugged right now. With such small stat increases, I would think Kronen Prime would have a great passive to make up for it. AoE explosions on enemy death would be nice. (Like Combustion Beam) AoE explosions on enemy death that SCALE would be great! (Like Acid Shells or the Jat Kittag mod) Hopefully its the scaling version and it's meant to do damage and CC and hopefully it's just a bug preventing both from happening, otherwise.... A cosmetic explosion would just mean it's Mastery Fodder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarcnyssWolfe Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 2 hours ago, IceColdHawk said: And unlike whips, they don't let a whole room vanish in one swipe. Theres a reason why: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGrimCorsair Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 It's almost like they didn't release a super strong melee weapon 'cause they know there's gonna be a huge shake up of melee weapons in the near future. Hmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceColdHawk Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 minute ago, DarcnyssWolfe said: Theres a reason why: "Heard a rumor" I don't know what you have tested or how you have tested but my telos boltace which i frequently use and test gets a very noticable reach buff through primed reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Lei-Lei_23 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Actually, I retract my findings with the Kronen Prime. Apparently Grineer explode whenever they die. :| Unfortunate, I thought these primed tonfas had a unique perk to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budu Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Crap stats no real passive its barely an upgrade to the original. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieknife Posted March 21, 2018 Author Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Budumpshh said: Crap stats no real passive its barely an upgrade to the original. :( 100% correct and short to the point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieknife Posted March 21, 2018 Author Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 hour ago, TheGrimCorsair said: It's almost like they didn't release a super strong melee weapon 'cause they know there's gonna be a huge shake up of melee weapons in the near future. Hmm. near future? no they dont know what theyre going to do with melee. giving us a weapon with bad stats is not ok even if we get a buff in a month. its easy to just bump the numbers up and call it a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieknife Posted March 21, 2018 Author Share Posted March 21, 2018 2 hours ago, (PS4)lhbuch said: What should been buffed was its low range not been affected by reach mods. A weapon with high slide dmg with such low range does not make any sense see the thing is if it wouldnt have had awful stats people wont deem this only slide damage. sovereign outcast has throws in every combo. high range Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptix123 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Mintaro said: I wonder if they have a hidden passive? I don't have them but I wonder if that would be the reason why the stats compared to the normal variant isn't as grand. I'm hearing that is has 6.0x slide crit multiplier? near future? no they dont know what theyre going to do with melee. giving us a weapon with bad stats is not ok even if we get a buff in a month. its easy to just bump the numbers up and call it a day. Have you ever considered it might because everything else is getting lowered to about that level? Just a thought. Edited March 21, 2018 by Cryptix123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieknife Posted March 21, 2018 Author Share Posted March 21, 2018 20 minutes ago, Cryptix123 said: I'm hearing that is has 6.0x slide crit multiplier? and that 6x slide crit multiplier is not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim22 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 7 hours ago, cookieknife said: ohma rips this to shreds and it doesn’t cost $50. Lo and neither does kronen prime you can farm it you dont have to buy it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieknife Posted March 21, 2018 Author Share Posted March 21, 2018 Just now, Jim22 said: and neither does kronen prime you can farm it you dont have to buy it yeah and it still has a price tag and isnt what they promised Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Yes-Man-Kablaam Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 12 minutes ago, cookieknife said: yeah and it still has a price tag and isnt what they promised They promised the weapons and frame with a potato as well as plat everything promised was met. Nothing beyond that was promised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceColdHawk Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 10 minutes ago, (PS4)Yes-Man-Kablaam said: They promised the weapons and frame with a potato as well as plat everything promised was met. Nothing beyond that was promised. They promised Kronen PRIME. What we got was Kronen. Major difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieknife Posted March 21, 2018 Author Share Posted March 21, 2018 17 minutes ago, IceColdHawk said: They promised Kronen PRIME. What we got was Kronen. Major difference. yeah man exactly. the orokin wouldnt pick their teeth with this lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceColdHawk Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Cryptix123 said: I'm hearing that is has 6.0x slide crit multiplier? Getting tired of this misinformation that got spread on reddit. The only 6x mult is that tonfas in general have a 6x slide multiplier in terms of calculating the base slide damage stat. Which is Base damage x 6. This is why Kronen "Prime" has 6 more spin attack damage or how Ohma has 600 spin on 100 base damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToKeSia Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 I heard that explosion is just cosmetic thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToKeSia Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 8 hours ago, Fishyflakes said: It's an MR8 weapon so ask the MR 8'sif it's balanced first. then switch kronen prime to MR 14 and move tiberon prime to MR 8 with nearly all the same stats as normal tiberon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickThejaguar Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 8 hours ago, Fishyflakes said: Guys it has a 5 Riven disposition. Go get a Riven and go get rolling I'm not sure if you're trolling or if you genuinely think this is a reasonable response. Nothing in warframe should ever be balanced around rivens because rivens have too much rng involved in getting specific stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Yes-Man-Kablaam Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 hour ago, IceColdHawk said: They promised Kronen PRIME. What we got was Kronen. Major difference. It has a unique prime look and better stats than Kronen. You were hoping for some OP powercreep when it was never promised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AoN-CanoLathra- Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 9 hours ago, SteamlordD said: No really, CO hybrid. Blood Rush. They're great. Except that I could do that on the Ohma and get more out of it. Or even the Telos Boltace. Primes are supposed to be as good as or better than existing weapons in their class. Otherwise there is no reason to get them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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