Banshee Should Be Mobile During Her Ultimate

[Verazix]

I wouldn't jump to any conclusions based on the dev reaction speed on Warframe abilities. It took like 6 months for them to finally realize Rhino could be permanently invincible...

Yet then they turned around and gave Ember Overheat, which nearly makes her invincible anyway.

DE is pretty unpredictable and wild in their nerfs/buffs/fixes, but normally when they change something to the positive, they rarely take it away (have they ever, actually? Grakata was apparently never 15% crit chance). Then again, with all the double standards they have (exclusive/non exclusive, Overheat/Link vs. Iron Skin, Sniper Rifles vs. Snipetron Vandal) I'm going to admit that I probably shouldn't use anything they do/say as justification for anything really.

[LordMidnightX]

I agree that banshee should be mobile during her ult

vauban can drop a vortex/bastille to cc an area and then shoot into it but banshee can't. SQ also isn't a instant nuke like so many other ults either it is meant as a super cc ability but it is pointless and weak without a team and even with a team banshee isn't my desired class to have with my team for high level missions 

[Eirshy]

I don't really want it nerfed, I just wanted to throw out it's as powerful as Rhino Stomp is.

 

You uh, missed what the "nerf" I suggested was, didn't ya =P

 

I actually suggested it gets a veiled buff, as it'd actually be stronger against higher level content than it currently is, in exchange for being slightly weaker against lower-level content. Plus it'd give you a very good reason to have your Lanka shoot the heavy/ancient first rather than a trash mob to set off the chain reaction. Would give it a good sniper reward, as currently it sorta punishes the sniper for not shooting a trash mob or two first to ignite the rest of the trash before turning her attention to the heavies.

 

Removing the slow was the only real "nerf" I suggested, but that was more because I didn't even notice it had one in the first place XD

[Verazix]

You uh, missed what the "nerf" I suggested was, didn't ya =P

Nah, I just don't feel it needs a change at all. I'd prefer more ultimate abilities give utility than damage, I'm sick of the "OMG HIS ULTIMATE IS BETTER THAN MINE" especially when it can be easily justified since nearly all ultimate abilities do the same thing: damage. Only Loki is pure utility now, and the state of the damage ones currently in game are nigh impossible to balance around, so I just stay out of ultimate discussions now so as to not agitate the majority of the player base :P

[Dirtyfouts]

I would like if they added more utility to it is all. The stagger effect is really great in teams, and I'm okay with the fact that it does less damage than other ults, but people have been comparing it to others, and for example:

 

Saryns ult, does a lot more damage (mainly because it is unaffected by armor) And stuns them for 3 seconds, and is like a 1 second cast time, so you can use it, and run around and escape or whatever. Also, Saryn's ult is 10 meters (max) and Banshee's is 18 meters (max) [according to the wiki, which i assume to be somewhat accurate at this point].

 

Banshee's ult doesn't really do damage, but I think the fact that the radius is almost double that of Miasma, AND staggers enemies that enter the aoe after the effect has started is a huge plus going for Banshee's ult compared to miasma.

 

On the other hand - We have Vauban's bastille: Not an ultimate, and costs 75 energy, and lasts twice as long, and the cc effect is without question more effective than Banshee's stagger on herultimate.

 

I did a defense where (it was infested) and the vauban would just throw down a bastille, I would sonar, and we would kill the entire wave easily because they would be floating up in the air.

 

I think the reason people are so unhappy with her ultimate (and the ultimates/abilties of many of the other older frames) is because so many other abilities [not even just ultimates] just "do it better". Usually the ones of characters they are adding *cough* Nova *cough* Vauban

 

I've heard it suggested that her ultimate like, "Shatter" the enemies armor for a bit, reducing armor by like 50% or some amount for a set duration of time. I think that idea would be good Currently. After they rework armor and damage types [as Steve said he would in the latest Livestream] I'm not sure it will be needed.

 

We will see :)

Edited August 16, 2013 by Dirtyfouts

[kadun]

You guys need to stop picking Rhino and Nova to compare warframes to. It's not a strong argument.

[Dirtyfouts]

You guys need to stop picking Rhino and Nova to compare warframes to. It's not a strong argument.

 

We could say the same about your argument, which presents no points at all to why our arguments are invalid. but simply states that ours are invalid.

[kadun]

We could say the same about your argument, which presents no points at all to why our arguments are invalid. but simply states that ours are invalid.

 

No you couldn't.  Also, I said no such thing.  I presented one clear point about the justification for your argument being weak.  If I have to explain further I don't think you're qualified to be complaining about anything.

[Verazix]

You guys need to stop picking Rhino and Nova to compare warframes to. It's not a strong argument.

Hasn't it also been stated that they wish to bring other frames up to the level of Vauban/Nova (and by proxy, Rhino)? Which would mean it's perfectly normal for people to compare to them. Even if this is not the case, most people always compare everything to the best. It's why soda is compared to Coke/Pepsi, why you compare favorite restaurants based on your favorites (the best). While it's not the most solid argument, it's not enough reason to discount their arguments either. You are, after all, in no place to decide what is or isn't a solid "argument" in a thread based on feedback, where you are not someone who can make a single empowering decision. With that said, your single line does in fact hold no bearing on this conversation, and will most likely have no effect on a single thing said/done here by the people that everyone wants to read it the most: the Devs.

Edited August 16, 2013 by Verazix