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Lets just get to the topic

1. Need very specific loadout

2. Need Madurai

3. Lack of Host

4. Not able to do solo

5. The only host is when the sun is going down

 

Lets be clear, I do not want to play with some random people that says I have to use Madurai cause I like using Zenurik or Vazarin. I do not want to use Trinity, Chroma, Harrow, Volt all the time.

Sortie was "endgame" content, and people can do it. Solo or Public. But this?

 

Also, the Cores are pretty useless. Someone could hoard up to 1k Flawless Sentient Core and spend it on nothing.

 

Can we get any alternative on this? I mean the raid was the place for arcanes and even no one doing it. Its more forgiving on loadout. Just need 2-3 Specific ones and rest can play for free. I really hate to get crammed on this very very very specific loadout. Also the time for Raid is flexible, on Eidolon? Always on Dawn. Miss that time, and you pretty much aren't going to do it for another 2 hours.

 

Again, this game really need to put some solo endgame content. Some people doesn't have good connection or PC, Heck. I've seen alot people complaining that they can't enter plains at all

 

Just.. Make an alternative to this

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24 minutes ago, WilliamHartono12 said:

 

Again, this game really need to put some solo endgame content. Some people doesn't have good connection or PC, Heck. 

Connection it's kinda mandatory for an online game, also the nature of WF is cooperative, so i don't really see the problem here. Anyway, i know people who can solo eidolon (i don't btw) with Trinity and a good setup. I agree in the cores tho, but i guess Arcanes will stay on PoE for quite some time

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1 minute ago, (PS4)Dublincore said:

Connection it's kinda mandatory for an online game, also the nature of WF is cooperative, so i don't really see the problem here. Anyway, i know people who can solo eidolon (i don't btw) with Trinity and a good setup. I agree in the cores tho, but i guess Arcanes will stay on PoE for quite some time

If warframe uses server based, its not. the host is Peer 2 Peer based. so the only time the internet connection comes is when extracting, to confirm the drop

while yes, nature of WF is cooperative. The problem is. You can't expect everyone to be on your favor

 

Remember the Hema problem? Yeah, that one because "Warframe is cooperative". I just want something that is possible to do solo, and easier to do public. Thats all

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19 minutes ago, (PS4)abbacephas said:

And you expect me to do all of that with that specific loadout?

 

I thought this game feel you are overpowered, not underpowered and have to rely on very specific setup

 

Edit: If you are a rhino main, and have to use banshee for very specific stuff. aren't you mad? I want to use what I want, Can you shove people to not using meta weapon? You can't. you can hate them. but their opinion is theirs

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The point was to illustrate that you can solo Tridolons with the proper setup. Yes, the game allows choice when it comes to how you wish to play. But, the key to any successful battle is to "know your enemy". Sometimes, you have to use a specific loadout to efficiently take down something. Can you do it with any loadout you want? Sure. But that would require you to practice. You can't expect to go into a battle, unprepared, and think you will win. If you want to take down the Tridolons with a Nyx, shotgun and nothing else, you probably could. Will you have an easy time of it? Probably not. But don't expect to do it on your first, second or 20th try. If you want to do something easily and/or efficiently, then you have the videos to show you how.

If you want to use whatever frame and/or loadout you want, don't expect PuGs to cater to you. People who run PuGs look for the quickest and easiest way to get through missions. The only way you can have fun is to run with friends, clan-mates or alliance members. C'est la vie.

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52 minutes ago, WilliamHartono12 said:

Lets just get to the topic

1. Need very specific loadout

2. Need Madurai

3. Lack of Host

4. Not able to do solo

5. The only host is when the sun is going down

 

Lets be clear, I do not want to play with some random people that says I have to use Madurai cause I like using Zenurik or Vazarin. I do not want to use Trinity, Chroma, Harrow, Volt all the time.

Sortie was "endgame" content, and people can do it. Solo or Public. But this?

 

Also, the Cores are pretty useless. Someone could hoard up to 1k Flawless Sentient Core and spend it on nothing.

 

Can we get any alternative on this? I mean the raid was the place for arcanes and even no one doing it. Its more forgiving on loadout. Just need 2-3 Specific ones and rest can play for free. I really hate to get crammed on this very very very specific loadout. Also the time for Raid is flexible, on Eidolon? Always on Dawn. Miss that time, and you pretty much aren't going to do it for another 2 hours.

 

Again, this game really need to put some solo endgame content. Some people doesn't have good connection or PC, Heck. I've seen alot people complaining that they can't enter plains at all

 

Just.. Make an alternative to this

You can hit the Eidolons with just about any warframe you would like, though some that many players stress can be more effective time wise. Oberon is a good choice for instance and is generally an all rounder and easily accessible if one runs endless missions and beats up Eximus regularly. I use a Vazarin focus for example and have my Excalibur with my teammates or solo due to wanting to avoid spreading Helminth infections among players and my warframes. A sniper or other high damage semi auto is pretty much required if you want to do do damage to the Eidolon's synovia but otherwise your load-out is more flexible. You can use any of the Quill Onkko crafted amps though I find The Shwaak or Granmu prisms better for actually busting the shields and would like the Raplak boosted a bit in time if its intended to be a more functional option for Eidolons. Doing Trials you were more heavily limited in load-out selections, but there are many threads on what for many were core failings of the Trials.

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I agree with abbacephas. The "main [whatever frame]" also is not the best way to go, at least for me, the key is adapting and overcome the next challenge, which requires often changing frame (and weapons). If i wanted a single specific character i'd rather play a MMORPG, but this game is more focused on the plethora of frames available so maybe it's reasonable to force you to pick the right one for the mission.

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2 things

1. I agree to not main whatever. but to do it on very specific matter is very very boring. Say you go to spy. There is alot of choice, Mirage 2nd, Loki 2nd, Limbo Rift, Ivara 3rd.

But to go with 1 warframe only and only that for the whole eidolon run is making me mad

2. The Tridolon are build for Squad purposes, You can beat it. but majority can't. If people can beat it. why do they ask for host and lf all over?

 

Also don't exclude the fact that many people dont want to "taxi/teach" people to do Tridolon. Thats the main issue with this system. 4 Players all take a role, while in Raid, you can have 2-3 people watching while else do the raid

 

Edit: Heck some people go as far as ask for VS. Like.. if there is 5 school in this game, you mainly WANT to focus on what you currently have (vazarin focus on vazarin, Naramon focus on Naramon) but looking that everyone is wanting to have VS over and over makes me mad

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IIII don't know man. If it's end game then it's hard and there's a certain way to clear it quickly and if you don't like it just play whatever the #*!% you want. I've seen plenty inaros, loki in an eidolon pug.

I WILL however agree on some things like the absolute horrid daytime duration for how #*!%ing useless that time is. ATM it's 100m day and 50m night. Why the #*!%. Just cut it to 70 day and 50 is ok comparing to this. It's a round, 2h cycle. Which means night will come in a fixed time of day and everyone will know that after like a week or so.

Secondly, there certainly should be down scale for solo play. Example 60% eidolon shield and 80% health. Well wait a #*!%ing second you have less than 25% fire power considering you're forced to play a healing frame to solo the entire set why is it so high. So people have incentive to get in a party.

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3 minutes ago, elcion said:

IIII don't know man. If it's end game then it's hard and there's a certain way to clear it quickly and if you don't like it just play whatever the #*!% you want. I've seen plenty inaros, loki in an eidolon pug.

I WILL however agree on some things like the absolute horrid daytime duration for how #*!%ing useless that time is. ATM it's 100m day and 50m night. Why the #*!%. Just cut it to 70 day and 50 is ok comparing to this. It's a round, 2h cycle. Which means night will come in a fixed time of day and everyone will know that after like a week or so.

Secondly, there certainly should be down scale for solo play. Example 60% eidolon shield and 80% health. Well wait a #*!%ing second you have less than 25% fire power considering you're forced to play a healing frame to solo the entire set why is it so high. So people have incentive to get in a party.

This is what my standpoint right now. They didn't want us to do Solo play.

 

Its build around the fact that you need 4 people to do it. Like.. scale down the shield or health. The same applies to Survival spawn rate that result in lack of life support

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You're complaining about the META and not the actual content-- except for one little stab at the role of raids and the uselessness of cores (which have a use if you are ranking up or constantly spending standing with the Quills).

People in recruitment chat are looking for efficiency and not, necessarily, an experimental run where you see how efficient a Limbo or Nyx can be. Raids made sure to get their efficient META out of the way before they even opened up to the idea of letting randoms who had no idea what to do in. JV could be done with two people who knew what to do and the rest all almost literal deadweight. Eidolons are no different, in this regard. Often times I will run Oberon with Unairu, grab a friend playing any random buff frame (generally Rhino or Chroma), and then grab two more people who choose if they're going to be useful or just be added DPS and nothing else-- that's if I don't just solo them or tell everyone we're gonna meme all over the faces of the Eidolons by taking four Zephyrs built exclusively for Tornado and giving them a healthy dose of S U C C.

Mayhaps you should take some time to understand the fight rather than jump into recruitment chat, see what they're asking, and then assume that the META is required.

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Day and night cycle times suck harder than a 95 year old porn star with no teeth.

What puts me off Cooperative is you will end up paired with a host with a 2 second ping, someone AFK until its time to collect and mini-Hitler who will be on transmit from the start saying "why that frame"? "you noob", "do it this way", "why not do this", I am carrying you all", "you need a riven mod sniper why that gun"?. Same reason I avoided raids, they were cancerously bugged and always had 2 "know it all" gob shytes talking crap though the entire mission.

I solo them but it takes significantly longer since they nerfed Chroma's damage. Good nerf as it doesn't matter which frame you use. They are very solo-able is what I am saying and really fun to use different frames. People are farming them with specific setups and sometimes forget you are meant to be having fun, also soooooo many sheep. Besides what do you need arcanes for other than revives, they suck anyway?  

How DE want us to play the game has never been close to how people actually do. In my opinion the nature of WF is its a game and is supposed to be fun. People for the most part aren't. Nothing preventing you going solo and becoming super awesome and running the odd co-op with a zero forma Vauban, unrivened aklato and a mk-1 Braton. Don't forget to record the chat and make a new post if you do that would be hilarious.

The only thing stopping solo for most players is the god awful day and nigh cycle which I think the entire player base is in agreement.

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On 3/26/2018 at 8:15 PM, WilliamHartono12 said:

Say you go to spy. There is alot of choice, Mirage 2nd, Loki 2nd, Limbo Rift, Ivara 3rd.

While I do agree with a some points, specifically Cores becoming useless very fast and Pub raids being infested by "this setup or out", I'll stop you on this. Spy doesn't have "alot of choice", it has no choice because everything is viable. You can complete all Spy vaults with a starting MK-1 Lato and any Warframe with no mods. Players seem to have the wrong idea about Spy missions being extremely hard without any of the "stealth frames", they aren't.

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On 3/28/2018 at 4:12 AM, Serdinor_Darkrose said:

While I do agree with a some points, specifically Cores becoming useless very fast and Pub raids being infested by "this setup or out", I'll stop you on this. Spy doesn't have "alot of choice", it has no choice because everything is viable. You can complete all Spy vaults with a starting MK-1 Lato and any Warframe with no mods. Players seem to have the wrong idea about Spy missions being extremely hard without any of the "stealth frames", they aren't.

To be completely honest, I agree. I can do all spy vaults with any warframe, I guess I put the wrong metaphor >.>

 

But atleast you got the idea, I hate to do a very very specific setup

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just my opinion. they need to add endgame content other than eidolon which makes any frames other than attack-buffer or healer useless.. :/ soon maybe :/

(no sortie dont give u arcanes)

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I'm always hunting trilodons in public lobbies, with randoms. Whoever joins, joins. I'm always playing Trinity and I never kill, only capture. Worst hunt I had with randoms was a killed hydro instead of captured. Best was 3x hydro captures in one night with a squad of 4 Trinity. At the end of the 3xcaps we still had 5 minutes left. 

You want solo end game content without the need for specific warframes, focus schools and weapons. You can do that with the trilodons. If you can't, get better at it, practice. Also, eidolons are not there for their shards, its for the arcanes. You can still get rich by selling arcane energizes. That's pretty endgame content.

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Zitat

1. Need very specific loadout

2. Need Madurai

3. Lack of Host

4. Not able to do solo

5. The only host is when the sun is going down

1. No, you can do t with many loadouts - in a group or solo

2. No, I use Zenurik and Unarai a lot

3. I alway (!) found a team in the recruiting chat or matchmaking

4. Yes you can

5. ???

The only point is the awful day/night cycle. In all other points I really like the Eidoon hunt!

 

 

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See, not to be offensive or sound petulant but this is the problem with most players out there, they give out very easily. 

So you are exaggerating, the only point I agree with you is that is annoying having to wait for the night cycle to hunt the eilodons but everything else is just not true. 

It can be soloed, you dont require madurai, you dont need specific warframes or loadouts to do it. 

The problem is people just jump into the trilodons and fail miserably. Then instead of trying to understand the mechanics, what they did wrong, etc they just complaint because it is too difficult or they can't find teams etc

Far from the truth. Eilodons are easy, unless you are looking into running 3x3, 4x3 or 5x3 doing it during normal matchmaking should suffice, I must have done it about 20 times in the last day or two and only failed the bounty once. But it happens. I play with trinity or oberon though because I want to make sure we have a way of healing the lures but it is not mandatory, sure it helps if you have chroma, trinity, volt, or rhino, harrow, oberon etc but they are not required 

 

You also mentioned needing 4 people to kill/capture them while this was not necessary in Raids as you could have 2-3 people just being carried while the others did all the work. This obviously means that you were familiar enough with the raids to do so, and it is the same with eilodons, dont think this is any different. I have "carried" people in public games the same way I have been carried but more experienced and better players, specially at the beginning. In fact, normally the only thing I check when I join a group of randoms is that at least 1 person has captured the hydro or gaunt before just to ensure a smooth run. Thats normally good enough (while this might not mean anything). So you only need 2 exp players tops to do thing smoothly, but 1 will probably be enough for the most part. 

Just practice, and dont overreact. 

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5 hours ago, WilliamHartono12 said:

Can you tell me how you did it then? >.>

The shields are just a timesink.  If you have a mote/raplak amp, don't expect to be doing many hydroslysts.  Personally, I use a 323 amp (Granmu Prism, Shraksun Scaffold, Lohrin Brace), but for tera a t2 prism (Shwaak) is perfectly sufficient.  There's not much special about killing the shields, just shoot it, but if you want to speed it up, the four best ways are shooting at the legs (shots with punch through will hit multiple times), shooting through a volt shield for the crit chance bonus, using unairu wisp, and using void strike.  Other than that, it's just patience, and taking advantage of operator's infinate lives/ammo.  People just want voidstrike because with 3 players running void strike, 1 running unairu wisp, you can kill both the shields and limb less than 5 seconds after the shields regenerate when it stands back up.

 

For the eidolon itself, it's a bit more complicated.  As seen in the picture, it is POSSIBLE with any frame (because mag is seriously useless for eido hunts), and you don't need one of the "meta" weapons. 

If you don't have any of the meta frames (Chroma/Rhino, Harrow/Oberon, Trin, Volt), go with whatever frame you are comfortable with that has good survivability and/or self-buffing.  Remember that the eidolon is immune to most, if not all, warframe abilities, so I wouldn't advise a caster frame (like mag).  If you are struggling with survivability, rage and quickthinking can be very useful, as can health/armor mods.  If you can, I would advise getting either magus elevate, or magus nourish also, as they both provide a very nice source of health regen.  I usually run 1 maxed nourish for topping off the health on my frame, and 1 maxed husk for increasing operator's effective health (and effective healing from the vazarin waybound), though for this run I used elevate instead of nourish since it restores health faster when you really need health.

For weapons, I'm not even going to bother with the talking about how to use sarpa only, since that was just because I was bored and it's my current favorite melee.  All three eidolons have enough armor for approximately 80% damage reduction, but also have a significant damage reduction on top of that.  Still, removing armor can be beneficial as long as you don't remove ALL the armor.  With armor, you get the health type damage bonuses from the armor (+15%Puncture, +25%Cold, +75%Radiation, -50%Slash, -50%Electric, -50%Magnetic) in addition to the health ones (+25%Puncture, +50%Electric, +25%Radiation, -25%Slash, -25%Toxin), and the fact that damage ignores a percent of the armor based on it's damage modifier against that armor type.  This results in the following values:

  • Impact: 1x multiplier at 0 armor, 0.99x multiplier at 1 armor, continues to decrease.
  • Puncture: 1.25x multiplier at 0 armor, 1.43x multiplier at 1 armor, drops below 1.25x at 53 armor.
  • Slash: 0.75x multiplier at 0 armor, 0.374x multiplier at 1 armor, continues to decrease.
  • Cold: 1x multiplier at 0 armor, 1.24x multiplier at 1 armor, drops below 1x at 101 armor.
  • Electric: 1.5x multiplier at 0 armor, 0.74x multiplier at 1 armor, continues to decrease.
  • Heat: 1x multiplier at 0 armor, 0.99x multiplier at 1 armor, continues to decrease.
  • Toxin: 1x multiplier at 0 armor, 0.74x multiplier at 1 armor, continues to decrease.
  • Blast: 1x multiplier at 0 armor, 0.99x multiplier at 1 armor, continues to decrease.
  • Corrosive: 1x multiplier at 0 armor, 0.99x multiplier at 1 armor, continues to decrease.
  • Gas: 1x multiplier at 0 armor, 0.99x multiplier at 1 armor, continues to decrease.
  • Magnetic: 1x multiplier at 0 armor, 0.49x multiplier at 1 armor, continues to decrease.
  • Radiation: 1.25x multiplier at 0 armor, 2.18x multiplier at 1 armor, drops below 1.25x at 901 armor.
  • Viral: 1x multiplier at 0 armor, 0.99x multiplier at 1 armor, continues to decrease.

Basically, armor can actually increase your damage if you use mainly puncture, cold, or radiation damage.  Mostly radiation though, and yes that is a 2.18x mult and continues to be better than no armor until 900 armor, that was not a typo.  Since eidolon armor ranges from 1107 (tera) to 1456 (hydro), bringing corrosive projection is often very useful, as long as you do not fully strip the armor.  You can also strip armor with a melee weapon that deals at least 1 impact damage and shattering impact, which reduces BASE armor (all eidos have 200 base armor) by 6 per hit.  After 33 hits (assuming no cp), the eido would have 2 base armor left, which scales 11 for tera, and 14.5 for hydro.  Most people use sarpa for this, as the ranged attacks deal impact damage and therefore count for shattering impact.

This means any weapon will technically work as long as you mod it for mostly puncture, cold, or radiation damage.  Personally I like to bring attica to random pub runs, have someone tell me "attica is trash, only [insert meta wep here] works, etc.", then get 70% damage by the end of the run.  The only thing that really makes weapons better or worse is if it is a crit based wep, or a status based wep.  Eidolons are immune to all status procs (except void bullet attractor, and they still get "proc'ed" by guaranteed impact such as shwaak prism but do are not actually effected by it), and I believe that critical damage is boosted against them or something (never bothered to test).  This means that while you CAN kill an eido with a status wep like tigris prime, it will take much longer than a crit wep, and you will probably run out of ammo.

Ill edit this post later to add a section about frames/abilities, but right now I dont have enough time to do so.

 

 

Mag build I used:

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On 26.3.2018 at 5:57 PM, WilliamHartono12 said:

I do not want to use Trinity, Chroma, Harrow, Volt all the time.

Well, I did a run with a Limbo and Ivara instead of Harrow and Chroma. Captured 2 Hydros and an additional Gantulyst. Biggest problem was that we had the teleport bug 3 times. Otherwise, we could have probably had 3x3.

Meta obsession is just that. Obsession. There are many perfectly viable ways to do things.

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