If Your Aiming To Have Everything On Novas And Vaubans Level....may Wanna Do Total Rework

[madlydevoid]

Ok so first and most obvious thing...rhino. The second frame one can possiable get and arguable the strongest in general use. How does that make any sense? If hes meant to be a MIX of def. and atk. WHY DOES HE HAVE THE HIGHEST ARMOR (tied with frost whos ALOT harder to get) Also his shield and health are through the roof. On TOP of this his skin ability, which can be easily spammed makes him invinciable.  he is also only a little slower than vauban, whos slower than nova, while vaubans use is really constrained to defense, its still makes little sense. So super defense, and this is shared with atk how? I suggest reduction in armor and a health/shield system that his shields arn't to high but he has alot of health. Now stomp? for as defensive as rhino is and how easy he is to get, this is straight silly, get rhino and you can stomp your way through many missions then charge your way through the rest. Solo farm eris with rhino? not that hard. A good ability for rhino would be more of the stomps stun (longer duration) and less of the damage while only being 800 its still alot. Also charges, this is a bad one 650 dmg for 25 energy? that made me go lol wut? most other frames ability only does 75 dmg or so and excals only does 500 unless vs moa or infested.----> my over all idea here is rhinos not really ballanced, he exceeds in both fields. Compare him to ember, 10 armor WoF only is decent against low level infested and is nothing amazing, yet it it gotten 2 planets AFTER rhino, which makes litte sense.

[EclipsedHusky]

What is the highest level of enemy you have faced Sire?

[RoboDoge]

You think Rhino is OP? You will fail with him, and when you fail you will realize the hurtfull truth.

[LordMidnightX]

ember has overheat 91% damage reduction lol she don't need armor. But yah rhino isn't op 

 

Your title is very misleading too yes a lot of frames do need a total rework to get them to nova/vauban level but that isn't what you talked about in your post

[MeteorKing]

How is he the second frame?  If anything, Ember or Trinity would be first, since you need to be mastery rank 2 to make Rhino. My first two frames were Ember and Nyx, and I had both of them before I was Mastery 2.  That being said here's a rundown of how all frames are OPOPOPOPOP

 

Ash: Goes invis, teleports, murders a bunch of dudes while being untouchable.

 

Banshee: is super good for stealth play, has a knockback, murders a decent size area, and has one of the best high-level skills in the game (to the point that she or nova are used in every high-wave defense group)

 

Ember: When built right has 91% damage reduction and murders things just by walking around.

 

Excab: Has aoe blind and when used with mag, can effectivly blow up any boss in 1 button.

 

Frost: Snowglobe.

 

Loki: Same as ash but disarms a room instead of killing it, plus it has decoy which is just sweet as candy.

 

Mag:  Spam pull for best results.  Kills a room.  Makes bosses a giant sphere of hitbox (combos well with Excab).

 

Nova:  Ult of mass death.

 

Nyx: Everything but her bolts is ra-donk (also sexy as hell).

 

Rhino: Your whole post.

 

Saryn: Decoy, murders mobs forever and ever, Murders all mobs right now.

 

Trinity:  Only frame capable of being invincible, heals everyone, only frame that gives energy.

 

Vaub:  Bastille.

 

Volt:  Speed is the best rush skill in the game, it also make melee twice as good.  Kills a room.  Mini snowglobe.

 

 

 

ALL FRAMES ARE OP, NERF THEM ALL.   In all seriousness, Rhino is fine.  Iron skin loses it's usefulness after level 80 things show up to play, Stomp is no different than a bunch of ults, Roar is super good, but so are a lot of 75 energy skills, and charge is a straight line kill-skill (many frames have it).

[Rabidbluedeath]

Rhino is also rank restricted, just because you can get him on Venus doesn't mean you can use him... by your planet difficulty = how awesome the frame should be why is Excal way out in pluto when he is a starter frame? Also, while stomp is a tad bit ridiculous he isn't the uber elite enemy destroyer you make him out to be. at least no more than every other frame with damage abilities.

[EinRyu]

Isnt this just a wall of text complaining about the over used Rhino? Yeah, Rhinos used a lot. But he's far from OP, the main reason he's used so much is for as you said his "General Use" He's a good team player, with Stomp acting as a smaller scale more damaging Bastille putting enemies into a temporary harmless state, Roar being great utility for a nice little damege boost for all team mates, and Iron Skin being a free take 1200 damege ticket. He does his role as a tank.

 

Now as for him taking a nerf because his base stats are high? Really? Have you seen Ash's base stats? They're  450 Health and 300 Shields, a complete switch for Rhino's, and Ash is a damned supposed offensive Stealth frame. This whole post is a mindless wall of text complaining about Rhino, and Rhino has taken more then enough crap already.

 

What is this post even about anyhow? Is it a plea for Rhino to be nerfed? Or is it some rant complaining about Rhino being "too strong"? I just fail to understand the point of this post. And as for the comments on Ember, DE has already said that they are re-looking into Ember, and she will most likely be the next frame to get a buff, maybe even the first to have a complete skill redo tbh. But honestly, what is this post about? Just confused.

[EinRyu]

How is he the second frame?  If anything, Ember or Trinity would be first, since you need to be mastery rank 2 to make Rhino. My first two frames were Ember and Nyx, and I had both of them before I was Mastery 2.  That being said here's a rundown of how all frames are OPOPOPOPOP

 

Ash: Goes invis, teleports, murders a bunch of dudes while being untouchable.

 

Banshee: is super good for stealth play, has a knockback, murders a decent size area, and has one of the best high-level skills in the game (to the point that she or nova are used in every high-wave defense group)

 

Ember: When built right has 91% damage reduction and murders things just by walking around.

 

Excab: Has aoe blind and when used with mag, can effectivly blow up any boss in 1 button.

 

Frost: Snowglobe.

 

Loki: Same as ash but disarms a room instead of killing it, plus it has decoy which is just sweet as candy.

 

Mag:  Spam pull for best results.  Kills a room.  Makes bosses a giant sphere of hitbox (combos well with Excab).

 

Nova:  Ult of mass death.

 

Nyx: Everything but her bolts is ra-donk (also sexy as hell).

 

Rhino: Your whole post.

 

Saryn: Decoy, murders mobs forever and ever, Murders all mobs right now.

 

Trinity:  Only frame capable of being invincible, heals everyone, only frame that gives energy.

 

Vaub:  Bastille.

 

Volt:  Speed is the best rush skill in the game, it also make melee twice as good.  Kills a room.  Mini snowglobe.

 

 

 

ALL FRAMES ARE OP, NERF THEM ALL.   In all seriousness, Rhino is fine.  Iron skin loses it's usefulness after level 80 things show up to play, Stomp is no different than a bunch of ults, Roar is super good, but so are a lot of 75 energy skills, and charge is a straight line kill-skill (many frames have it).

Lol for the Ember stuff, have you ever tried using ember in a T3 defense? She's literally only killing rooms just by walking in infested missions. Good luck doing that in a high level Grineer mission. As for Excal, dudes Slash Dash spam, blind can get out of here, Slash Dash forever. But yeah.. half these comments on the frames were more derp then true, honestly I just feel like this is a bunch of build up so they can add some random op content that no one can clear.

[MeteorKing]

I have a friend who plays with ember in T3 defense almost exclusively because he just throws on Overheat and walks around like he owns the place.  If those are your critiques to my list and you're talking about why Nova and Vaub are better than other frames, then you're really just talking about why Molecular Prime and Bastille are so good.  Banshee's Sonar used to be used exclusively instead of MP and Nyx used to be run as a 2 of instead of Vaub's bastille.  Say what you will, but the old frames are still just as relevant or not relevant as they were before the new ones came out.

[andboomgoestheydynamite]

How is he the second frame?  If anything, Ember or Trinity would be first, since you need to be mastery rank 2 to make Rhino. My first two frames were Ember and Nyx, and I had both of them before I was Mastery 2.  That being said here's a rundown of how all frames are OPOPOPOPOP

 

Ash: Goes invis, teleports, murders a bunch of dudes while being untouchable.

 

Banshee: is super good for stealth play, has a knockback, murders a decent size area, and has one of the best high-level skills in the game (to the point that she or nova are used in every high-wave defense group)

 

Ember: When built right has 91% damage reduction and murders things just by walking around.

 

Excab: Has aoe blind and when used with mag, can effectivly blow up any boss in 1 button.

 

Frost: Snowglobe.

 

Loki: Same as ash but disarms a room instead of killing it, plus it has decoy which is just sweet as candy.

 

Mag:  Spam pull for best results.  Kills a room.  Makes bosses a giant sphere of hitbox (combos well with Excab).

 

Nova:  Ult of mass death.

 

Nyx: Everything but her bolts is ra-donk (also sexy as hell).

 

Rhino: Your whole post.

 

Saryn: Decoy, murders mobs forever and ever, Murders all mobs right now.

 

Trinity:  Only frame capable of being invincible, heals everyone, only frame that gives energy.

 

Vaub:  Bastille.

 

Volt:  Speed is the best rush skill in the game, it also make melee twice as good.  Kills a room.  Mini snowglobe.

 

 

 

ALL FRAMES ARE OP, NERF THEM ALL.   In all seriousness, Rhino is fine.  Iron skin loses it's usefulness after level 80 things show up to play, Stomp is no different than a bunch of ults, Roar is super good, but so are a lot of 75 energy skills, and charge is a straight line kill-skill (many frames have it).

DONT YOU DARE NERF FROSTS SNOWGLOBE! Without snowglobe frost would basically be nothing.

[taiiat]

frames are slowly getting reworked and buffed across the board to bring them into line with some of the newer frames. 

 

that being said, Rhino got his changes already, and he is not OP. look at Nova for that. 

as mentioned, Rhino is a fantastic team player and he also has good survivability. he's a very well rounded frame. master of none, but always useful to have. 

also, Iron Skin is subpar with decent level enemies, honestly. until Embers' Overheat is changed in some way, because 91% less damage taken with NO cap is preposterous if Iron skin has a cap.

Ember is the next frame being worked on though, so that's probably going away. 

 

and... until enemy scaling breaks the game like it does with everything else, Ember is plenty effective against all factions. Grineer take longer to kill than the other factions, of course, but not by that much, and when you take 91% less damage, you don't care. 

Ember can also spam powers all day with an energy cap of 450. Rhino cannot.

(comparing everything to lv 130/200 enemies is pointless, everything is broken there, that can't be fixed by changing any part of the game but enemy scaling, so it's not relevant).

 

by the way, Rhino is technically very slow. ofcourse, straight up run speed means little since melee's are often used more for mobility than killing nowadays, every frame is capable of warping to the other side of a room at the snap of a finger.

 

 

 

lastly, just opinion, but Rhino is very difficult to grind for, to me. Jackal is such a badly built boss. as i've always said, his leg and body stages are WAYYYYY too short. Jackal fight is stand up and sit down simulator 2013.

Jackal is so easy, he's hard. (not going to go into just shredding his shields to not bother knocking him down, that's not how he's intended to be fought).

Edited August 12, 2013 by taiiat

[kyuosumaru]

came here expecting a rework idea for frames that are up

 

see op put a block of text (not a wall) about OMG NERF RHINO

 

 

rhino is a offensive tank

 

he doesn't need a nerf 

 

rhino charge is used for knockdown

 

iron skin on high defense for example narcissus pluto comes off very fast if your letting yourself get hit {it also aggros}

 

roar is a nice buff for teammates

 

rhino stomp is for shutting down enemies while also dealing damage

 

i'm not gonna lie there are some frames that need buffs/reworks but nerfing rhino wont change anything

Edited August 12, 2013 by kyuosumaru

[MeteorKing]

DONT YOU DARE NERF FROSTS SNOWGLOBE! Without snowglobe frost would basically be nothing.

I'm not saying nerf it, I'm just saying that all the frames have their own thing that people could gripe about to try and say it's OP.  The frames are pretty balanced, they just fill different roles.  Defense is very popular and Nova, Vaub, and Frost are very good for defense so people clamor to them as being OP.  Go do some bosses, see how many Vaubs show up, go do some raids, see how many of the three of those guys show up, exterm, spy, capture, no need for vaub or frost when you're constantly on the move and new emeies show up.  Nova kills a room, that's always useful, but so does Rhino, and Mag, and Saryn, and to an extent, Banshee.  Nova is also squishy as hell and has no defensive abilities.