If You Cant Play The Video Game Dont Blame The Video Game. An Arid Discussion.

[PsychedelicSnake]

I have a pretty busy life. Personal commitments, work, etc. However, I do agree with Mak_Gohae's OP. +1

[Mak_Gohae]

In this case, an unambiguous statement about the rules of the game.

 

"You have 6 days, or until the progress are is complete, whichever comes first".

 

None of the stuff you said in your post is really clear about that. I didn;t even see those "video lore" sections, because I never even made the assumption that those UI widgets did anything when you clicked on them. I had no reason to assume that.

 

 

 

Your problem about DE not being clear doesnt seem to be about DE being clear, it seems that you didnt get the info and somehow didnt look for the info. They made a video which was posted, they made an Arid Fear post, they put it on the main page, and you could find out about it by clicking on the bar or the victory declarations, clicking on that stuff should be something known because you can click on all those things from news at the top to alerts above the operation info. Unless you JUST started playing this weekend there is no way that you would not have known that you can click on all the stuff that pops up there.

 

It just really seems like you just loaded in the game and you vaguely stumbled your way into the missions.

 

I mean..... didnt the launcher told you about Arid Fear and linked to the Arid Fear post. On top of all the discussion about the event in the board... there is literally no way for anyone to be confused if you actually tried to get info.

 

I said it a few time now and i will say it again, if a person just didnt try to get any info it's on them. There are so many ways the DE can attack this. They did enough for a person who shows some interest in the event. So the next level of info is to bombard people with the info for the folks who dont care to find stuff out. They are going to have to have constant pop ups appearing every few minutes urging you to participate.

 

"Do you know about operation Arid Fear? Click here to find out more"

"Operation Arid Fear is on, have you participated?"

"How are you Arid Fear points coming along"

"You have clicked on the log off button..... did you remember to do Arid Fear missions?"

 

Seriously, the videos, the main page, their posts, in game, the people discussing this in the board and game.

There is literally no way any person looking for info should have been lost.

 

 

I realize I'm getting on a tangent here, but I've worked in games development and this point right here is one of THE reasons video game stories haven't caught up to movies and literature as a story telling medium. Games need clear rules, and it's extremely hard to define those structures in a natural way using conventional dramatic devices. Gameplay/Story segregation is not a new problem, and not one with a solution in the near future.

 

But the short answer is yes.

 

The funny part about this event is that in the video they spoke plain standard English which made it very clear. People posted the whole speech in board in several different threads.

 

I really dont see how any of this is possible.

 

Can you explain in detail your experience on how you didn't know any of this?

I mean.... when you mouse over the text on the left there is even a sound played.

It just seems like one is purposely ignoring stuff rather than DE not providing enough.

 

 

I will, even though it's the only thing in my post you address:

 

The "fact" about everyone taking other people's point if they go over a hundred is something i already mentioned. In fact i mentioned in the post you reply to .... i didnt see a need to reply to something i already discussed. And the thing about competition is going to be answered below.

 

after the event ends let people keep on playing it just like the informer and MOA events. Here's another one: every point a player gets after 100 doesn't count towards the event completion bar, which also increases the overall event difficulty and the need for people to play it.

 

Now I'm sure you'll try to find a flaw in those, ignoring anything else I've posted before. I won't say these two ideas are perfect but they could work just fine with a bit more thought put into them. At least they'd be a lot fairer that what we got with the last 2 events !

 

The problem with the only 100 points is that we do not know how many point were out there in the first place.

Like you and i have stated, anyone that goes over a 100 takes points so this cannot be centered around the top players, EVERYONE that went over a hundred took from some one..... if you actually know how many points were out there which.... we dont. Of course, there reached a point where the points where limited but that just bring up the point of...... why wasnt X person trying earlier? Whatever the reason a person trying for points at the latest possible minute is just going to be left with few possibilities because that's what the community event is. The community determines how long it goes on for. So what you are basically saying is to not have the possibility of failure which then, like i said before, just turns the even into a handout line. 

 

If everyone just gets a 100 points then there is the problem of how DE determine how many point should there be? Is it per Warframe account? Cause the creates the obvious problem of dead accounts, ok so what's an active account? The only difficulty this type of an event would have of trying to figure out who played and who didnt.

 

As for the event continuing that would work for a 3 day event..... not for a 6 day event. For a 6 day event people are just not going to try because you still have to wait several days for the conditions to change and it would most like just be a mad dash at the end. Which would ALSO create a problem because of the day i falls on, that is always a problem here.

 

OP, way to spew a load of nonsensical garbage. I mean who needs logic or common sense when you can just make a topic about "not whining" so you can stroke your epeen right?

 

I got 144 point, guy.

There is really nothing to stroke about.

 

All i did was play enough to satisfy my gaming urge through the 3 phases.

And would you care to explain what part of my posting isn't common sense or logical?

You know what is logical? People posting that they popped in Sunday and got their 100.

[Unknown924]

As for the event continuing that would work for a 3 day event..... not for a 6 day event. For a 6 day event people are just not going to try because you still have to wait several days for the conditions to change and it would most like just be a mad dash at the end. Which would ALSO create a problem because of the day i falls on, that is always a problem here.

Simple solution: Lock the leaderboards when the goal is reached. Clans and players would still compete to get the most amount of points before then. This would prevent other players from being denied the chance to earn rewards because the event was rushed by competitive clans and people.

What do you think?

[Rivy]

The "fact" about everyone taking other people's point if they go over a hundred is something i already mentioned. In fact i mentioned in the post you reply to .... i didnt see a need to reply to something i already discussed. And the thing about competition is going to be answered below.

 

 

The problem with the only 100 points is that we do not know how many point were out there in the first place.

Like you and i have stated, anyone that goes over a 100 takes points so this cannot be centered around the top players, EVERYONE that went over a hundred took from some one..... if you actually know how many points were out there which.... we dont. Of course, there reached a point where the points where limited but that just bring up the point of...... why wasnt X person trying earlier? Whatever the reason a person trying for points at the latest possible minute is just going to be left with few possibilities because that's what the community event is. The community determines how long it goes on for. So what you are basically saying is to not have the possibility of failure which then, like i said before, just turns the even into a handout line. 

 

If everyone just gets a 100 points then there is the problem of how DE determine how many point should there be? Is it per Warframe account? Cause the creates the obvious problem of dead accounts, ok so what's an active account? The only difficulty this type of an event would have of trying to figure out who played and who didnt.

 

As for the event continuing that would work for a 3 day event..... not for a 6 day event. For a 6 day event people are just not going to try because you still have to wait several days for the conditions to change and it would most like just be a mad dash at the end. Which would ALSO create a problem because of the day i falls on, that is always a problem here.

I repeat, if you have to play and get the 100 points it's not a "handout". You are playing within the time limit and you are doing whatever you are being asked to: you deserve it as much as anyone else who does that same thing 1 day earlier.

 

Also, these people were not trying at the "last possible minute". That's hyperbole. The event being over in half the allotted time doesn't give you the right to judge players and say they should have been there earlier. Regardless of the reason why they didn't get on in the first days, thinking that it wasn't going to be over in 3 out of 6 days was a sensible assumption (especially if you look at the Fomorian event).

 

If you could keep on farming after the event is over it means the rest of community worked hard, and you would have collaborated as well since you are playing now, before the timer is over. The possibility of failure is unaffected as long as the event has a proper time frame and it's not a "handout" as long as you still need to grind for your rewards.

 

If we could keep on farming after we get to 100 but those points don't count then we can still fail the event, so it's not a "handout" nor impossible to fail.

I leave the math on the points and time limits to DE, they know the stats (and if they don't, they should, that's what this kind of event requires). 

 

Like I said, whatever issue arises from my suggestions can be worked around, but having a race for limited points like the last two events isn't particularly fair and encourages nonstop rushing. Not to mention "community events" among Tenno shouldn't be competitive.

 

 

You know what is logical? People posting that they popped in Sunday and got their 100.

If everyone had logged in that Sunday morning and tried to get to 100 none of them would have gotten there before they finished the event. That's a huge flaw.

 

Besides, I don't even know why we keep on arguing... Steve already admitted they screwed up on a few things.

Edited August 13, 2013 by Rivy

[AbsolutTalent]

This seems to be a topic that keeps comming up with every event. And the only conclusion I can come up with: there are too many people who look for a reason to complain about something they cannot control.

 

-It was stated the dead line was 6 days for 3 phases

-Based on prior events, you know how the gaming community works and everyone will bum rush the objective

-Even before the individual rewards were mentioned, the first phase was already done before 24 hours. This shouldve been a tip-off that it wasnt going to last the full 6 days.

-I think ive even seen someone mention the fact you had to spend 2000 credits on a BP to make the void key, you get atleast 4000 credits for a mission reward from the material's alerts (each alert was 2000+whatever else you find)

 

 

Lets put this in a different spin. Lets say its "Black Friday" and like many retailers Best Buy, Fry's, whatever your local brick and mortar store is has those Door Buster deals that you dont know what they are until you get in there. But you are busy with "life" stuff; In-laws are visiting, last minute work related project, house burned down, etc... So you cant make it.

10 hours later you finally get around to going to your local store to see they had a sweet deal on a 50" LED tv where it was 80% off. But of course they only had so many in stock and the ravenous horde, that was there before you, got all of them.

 

Are you going to complain to the store manager that they shouldve had more in stock to accommodate you and your busy schedule? No, and if you did, the manager would just tell you to pound sand and laugh you right out of there.

 

I solo'ed my first point from the first phase and I was happy. Then when 2nd phase came out with rewards, I farmed about 11 keys and grouped with my clan and randoms in recruiting. And I hopped in a few clan groups as well. I got my 50 points and I was happy. Then I stopped. Only took a few hours at night when my kids were asleep. If you missed it, sorry but oh well. Better luck nexttime. You shouldnt get &!$$ed if you cant schedule your life around a video game.

Edited August 13, 2013 by AbsolutTalent

[KF_Kenobi]

Lets put this in a different spin. Lets say its "Black Friday" ...

 

Fail analogy fails. It is in fact illegal in many places not to place a clear "while supplies last" disclaimer on these advertised prices. Else the retailer can be compelled to give rain checks, and honor those prices next time the item is in stock.

 

So yes actually, I would under these circumstances complain to the store manager, and I'd likely get that coupon, and for that matter have done so.

 

I've said it before, this event is a basic customer service issue.

[AbsolutTalent]

Fail analogy fails. It is in fact illegal in many places not to place a clear "while supplies last" disclaimer on these advertised prices. Else the retailer can be compelled to give rain checks, and honor those prices next time the item is in stock.

 

So yes actually, I would under these circumstances complain to the store manager, and I'd likely get that coupon, and for that matter have done so.

 

I've said it before, this event is a basic customer service issue.

You are trying to pick my analogy apart with a little detail that is irrelevant in this instance. And it is pretty much a standard of "while supplies last", "no rainchecks issued","no substitutions" for those sales, so its implied in this instance.

The point I was trying to make is, everyone knows stuff goes fast on Black Friday, correct? You cannot expect to get there late in the day and expect the good stuff to still be there.

Imagine we lived in a perfect world where people didnt try to find flaws in a system that needed "disclaimers" to best suit their needs

[Operator_Error]

What do you think the countdown was for? A countdown to happiness?

And once one of the 3 waves, explained in the video and the lore sections that popped up when you click on the bar, was done you had the victory declarations that you could click and this would pop up.

How can anyone be confused with all this info?

We needed was info to find out the location of the Grineer base and we were gathering data.

 

 

 

Which part of that screen cap is ACTUALLY unambiguous? It doesn't say "Hey look, we FOUND the settlement", it says that the stages in which we were hunting the scouts to give us the info to narrow things down have been found, leaving doubt that MAYBE other scouts might be present elsewhere with OTHER tactically-relevant bits of intel.

 

Like what defenses, muster strategies, and troop dispositions are present in the vicinity of the new Grineer settlements... you know, lore and fluff to flesh out the game?

 

Those elements may have been complete, but the deadline to FAILURE still had time left on it; at that point, we could have been permitted the option of continuing until that final day to pursue forum titles, badge awards, and other COMPLETELY pointless accessories that stimulate our egos, and contribute to the fluff and lore of the game the DE is developing.

 

Instead, I have 4 spare keys, and a leftover desire to continue beat Corpus Scouts into the floor with my Kogake, and zero outlet. This isn't about wanting the mods, it's about not being clearly told that the 6 day timer had NOTHING to do with event participation, at the outset,

 

@ AbsolutTalent: it was 2k/BP, 1.5k/key built, for a total credit input of 3.5k credits/key gathered, per player.That doesn't account for the amount of time required to complete the missions required, as the defense alerts took much longer than the assassinations or spies missions, assuming that no additional objectives were revealed during such missions. I had several spy missions that also required a secondary objective to be completed, after the fact.

 

As a fascinating side note: I don't participate in "Black Friday" shopping, since I'm a Canadian, and that phenomenon has only started occurring locally in the very recent past, and I CHOOSE to avoid doing any shopping during that period, because I have no inclination to shop at the places that provide the kind of shopping atmosphere that seems to be prevalent in the US, on that weekend.

 

So your analogy fails in yet ANOTHER way, since I don't have any relate-able experience to compare to your "Black Friday" experience, and I have no interest in participating in what amounts to a riot, to my mind.

Edited August 13, 2013 by Operator_Error

[KF_Kenobi]

The point I was trying to make is, everyone knows stuff goes fast on Black Friday, correct?

 

It still fails!

 

This event was not about physical goods, and the miscommunications on the limited quantity is WIDELY acknowledged.. Not everyone knows this stuff is "going fast". So it's a non-point any way you want to slice it. We're talking about copies of data that I rightly believed I'd have a chance to access. So forgive me if I come across as "entitled", because from my perspective, I totally AM entitled.

 

The most analogous thing I can think of was the time I was sold a movie ticket for a showing that had already been running, rather than the next showing. When I went in for the showing I thought I had a ticket for, the usher didn't let me through. I explained it to the manager, who saw when I came in and realized the mistake immediately (time of purchase was on the receipt). Only problem was the next showing had been completely sold out before I even got there (this was not communicated to me, but is one of the reasons I got a ticket for the showing I did). No chance of getting in to the next show. I had to wait until the next day, but I didn't have time to see a movie then.

 

You know what happened? I was given a free pass for ticket I bought, and another two as an apology for the showing I was about to miss (good for one year). And we're talking about a limited physical commodity here. There are only x * y seats in any given theater, which the manager gave up for the sake of respecting my time in coming out there.

 

And this is not an isolated incident. I've gotten similar service in retail without things getting remotely as ugly as they've gotten on this board. In fact, I'd say the games industry is the only place where "Sorry, we screwed up" is considered acceptable and will even be defended. And I certainly didn't have to deal with ignorant little f*** bags calling me lazy for not buying my tickets early enough.

 

And I think part of the reason this sort of CS doesn't happen in the games industry so much is that it's all online. You can deal with literally thousands customers through a computer screen, you lose your face. When you're dealing with an in-person manager, and s/he can see that you're a little bummed about things not going the way you'd hoped -sometimes day ruiningly so- there's going to be a connection there, and a little humanity.

 

And the question of whether I'm entitled to this level of customer service is open to some debate. I'm certainly not always legally entitled to it. On the other hand, my time has value. My time is not less valuable because I choose to spend it on leisure, in fact I'd argue that my leisure time is the most valuable time I have no matter how I spend it. That's ultimately what most of my customer service experience have really boiled down to: respect for people's time which they can't ever get back. I took time to be a customer, and I took even more time to resolve a problem.  Human beings (which I'm not to you) respect that, and that's why it's not unusual for businesses to put in a little extra when there's a problem.

 

And I'm not even asking for a little extra here. I'm asking for what I was told would be there in the first place.

 

(PS I never did get to see that movie in the theater. s*** happens.)

Edited August 13, 2013 by KF_Kenobi

[Tenebraex]

You are trying to pick my analogy apart with a little detail that is irrelevant in this instance. And it is pretty much a standard of "while supplies last", "no rainchecks issued","no substitutions" for those sales, so its implied in this instance.

The point I was trying to make is, everyone knows stuff goes fast on Black Friday, correct? You cannot expect to get there late in the day and expect the good stuff to still be there.

Imagine we lived in a perfect world where people didnt try to find flaws in a system that needed "disclaimers" to best suit their needs

 

Black Friday is generally understood as a messy, sometimes violent, free-for-all. A community event is... not. The events are not promoted as competitions (outside of clan leader boards) and therefore no one needs to expect them to be. Also, again, stop using time as an argument; it's invalid.

[dcSquark]

not going to lock this thread too DE?

[KF_Kenobi]

not going to lock this thread too DE?

 

I'm sure it's coming.

[NeopetsMaster4432]

I find it disgusting how some players are begging for the mods when they themselves chose not to play for 2 hours over the weekend to get them.
And then they come around and start badmouthing the game and DE for it.

(seeing as some people are getting the wrong idea and have difficulty reading, this is not directed at the people that still want to be able to grind for the mods, but rather the people that are asking for everyone to get the mods with no effort put in, as stated)

Edited August 14, 2013 by NeopetsMaster4432

[KvotheTheArcane1]

I find it disgusting how some players are begging for the mods when they themselves chose not to play for 2 hours over the weekend to get them.

And then they come around and start badmouthing the game and DE for it.

 

Wow, nice you missed EVERYTHING! People want the chance to work for the mods, not have them handed out to them. (hooooly crap, how did you miss EVERYTHING posted here xD)

[NeopetsMaster4432]

Wow, nice you missed EVERYTHING! People want the chance to work for the mods, not have them handed out to them. (hooooly crap, how did you miss EVERYTHING posted here xD)

My comment was only two sentences, and you SOMEHOW managed to COMPLETELY MISREAD it(LOL you're so silly), I straight out said it was about those who were asking to get mods without effort, not those who are willing to work for it. How did YOU possibly manage to miss that? 

Have you also missed ALL the posts and few threads about people asking to be given the three mods for nothing? I can't believe that you did. 

The thread that suggested giving mods to everyone has been locked, but there were quite a few supporters in it.

It's nice that people want to work for the mods, and they will be able to do that in Nightmare Mode once they're added to the tables. Those that decided not to participate in the event shouldn't have the event prolonged for them.

Edited August 14, 2013 by NeopetsMaster4432

[KvotheTheArcane1]

Have you missed ALL the posts and few threads about people asking to be given the three mods for nothing? I can't believe that you did. I'm sorry that you were unable to tell who my comment was directed at.

I might have then, mind quoting them? I only really remember seeing people who were upset that they thought (completely in the right imo) that they had 6 days, but the event ended early.

[AbsolutTalent]

It still fails!

 

This event was not about physical goods, and the miscommunications on the limited quantity is WIDELY acknowledged.. Not everyone knows this stuff is "going fast". So it's a non-point any way you want to slice it. We're talking about copies of data that I rightly believed I'd have a chance to access. So forgive me if I come across as "entitled", because from my perspective, I totally AM entitled.

 

The most analogous thing I can think of was the time I was sold a movie ticket for a showing that had already been running, rather than the next showing. When I went in for the showing I thought I had a ticket for, the usher didn't let me through. I explained it to the manager, who saw when I came in and realized the mistake immediately (time of purchase was on the receipt). Only problem was the next showing had been completely sold out before I even got there (this was not communicated to me, but is one of the reasons I got a ticket for the showing I did). No chance of getting in to the next show. I had to wait until the next day, but I didn't have time to see a movie then.

 

You know what happened? I was given a free pass for ticket I bought, and another two as an apology for the showing I was about to miss (good for one year). And we're talking about a limited physical commodity here. There are only x * y seats in any given theater, which the manager gave up for the sake of respecting my time in coming out there.

 

And this is not an isolated incident. I've gotten similar service in retail without things getting remotely as ugly as they've gotten on this board. In fact, I'd say the games industry is the only place where "Sorry, we screwed up" is considered acceptable and will even be defended. And I certainly didn't have to deal with ignorant little f*** bags calling me lazy for not buying my tickets early enough.

 

And I think part of the reason this sort of CS doesn't happen in the games industry so much is that it's all online. You can deal with literally thousands customers through a computer screen, you lose your face. When you're dealing with an in-person manager, and s/he can see that you're a little bummed about things not going the way you'd hoped -sometimes day ruiningly so- there's going to be a connection there, and a little humanity.

 

And the question of whether I'm entitled to this level of customer service is open to some debate. I'm certainly not always legally entitled to it. On the other hand, my time has value. My time is not less valuable because I choose to spend it on leisure, in fact I'd argue that my leisure time is the most valuable time I have no matter how I spend it. That's ultimately what most of my customer service experience have really boiled down to: respect for people's time which they can't ever get back. I took time to be a customer, and I took even more time to resolve a problem.  Human beings (which I'm not to you) respect that, and that's why it's not unusual for businesses to put in a little extra when there's a problem.

 

And I'm not even asking for a little extra here. I'm asking for what I was told would be there in the first place.

 

(PS I never did get to see that movie in the theater. s*** happens.)

I believe you are wrong about being "entitled" to anything here. You have not purchased anything from them. You donated to the Founder's Package. You paid a fee for being able to use Platinum (yes, platinum purchases are considered "fees" to use it in game).

 

When the deadline of 6 days comes up, and someone can see the event is 1/3rd over after the first day, then they should know you only have a finite amount of time left to get in on the action. It was clearly stated in the newsfeed links.

 

I will agree with you on the customer service in the digital world vs real life being crap. (and I never once thought of you as NOT a human being). But its not always bad, ive had plenty of good interactions as well. But the problem I have is that everyone is so quick to lash out about not being able to be involved to the very end and blaming DE for it. This is their first MMO of this sort, so there are some bumps in the road. But everyone is so quick to shun over what happened instead of posting constructive criticism for future events. And the little constructive criticism that is brought up is drowned out by the majority of whiners for no good reason.

[Operator_Error]

I believe you are wrong about being "entitled" to anything here. You have not purchased anything from them. You donated to the Founder's Package. You paid a fee for being able to use Platinum (yes, platinum purchases are considered "fees" to use it in game).

 

When the deadline of 6 days comes up, and someone can see the event is 1/3rd over after the first day, then they should know you only have a finite amount of time left to get in on the action. It was clearly stated in the newsfeed links.

 

I will agree with you on the customer service in the digital world vs real life being crap. (and I never once thought of you as NOT a human being). But its not always bad, ive had plenty of good interactions as well. But the problem I have is that everyone is so quick to lash out about not being able to be involved to the very end and blaming DE for it. This is their first MMO of this sort, so there are some bumps in the road. But everyone is so quick to shun over what happened instead of posting constructive criticism for future events. And the little constructive criticism that is brought up is drowned out by the majority of whiners for no good reason.

 

Why would I NOT be entitled to use the materials (keys) that I'd farmed, if there's still time remaining before the failure condition is triggered?

 

I find it disgusting how some players are begging for the mods when they themselves chose not to play for 2 hours over the weekend to get them.

And then they come around and start badmouthing the game and DE for it.

 

 

I've never demanded free mods. I've requested the option of continuing to experience content that I've invested time and effort into.

 

[KF_Kenobi]

I believe you are wrong about being "entitled" to anything here. You have not purchased anything from them.

 

What I said is open to debate, but not that open. I'm a DE customer by any sensible definition, both morally and technically. The actual details of our transaction aren't really important. They don't define the entire relationship end to end, and if you want to say they do, then you actually are failing to consider me a human being. There's less tangible aspects here like time and good will.

 

 

This is their first MMO of this sort, so there are some bumps in the road./quote]

 

And I'm willing to cut them a little slack here and there because of it. I just want that same courtesy. Why should the fact that this is a beta, and DE is still learning and feeling things out be a one way relationship?

 

But everyone is so quick to shun over what happened instead of posting constructive criticism for future events. And the little constructive criticism that is brought up is drowned out by the majority of whiners for no good reason.

 

I don't know about that. DE_Steve's response shows a pretty clear grasp of the issue. Regardless of your impression of the tone and character of people's complaints, something obviously got through. For that matter, there were little things about the recent event that show DE is learning. Shared key materials, and shared scoring for scouts encourages cooperative behavior compared to extremely cut-throat Informer event.

[TehChoudinator]

Seeing as how the events have been total grindfests, they should get rid of the completion bar completely. Make the rewards a set amount, for example: Get 200 points to get mod A, 300 for mod B, and 400 for mod C. Get it done within 6 days. They could even have a special reward for those who can put in the time and go past said requirement. If you don' make the points you don't get anything. It would be completely up to the player then.
 

Edited August 14, 2013 by TehChoudinator

[pamkhat]

The biggest problem with events, in any game, is that no matter what you do, someone is going to get boned.

 

When this event first started, I thought it was going to be a nice, calm event that lasted the full 6 days.  There was no great reward, but there was something to work toward (the new tile set) without feeling the pressure to compete with the community.

 

The next day, a reward was announced and everyone lost their minds.  A 6 day event got grinded out in 3.  That does punish the player who has something better to do.  It does punish a player that just can't stand to grind.  It does punish a player who can't host for whatever reason.  Events are a way to, and I say this a lot about this game, "strong-arm" you into doing something.  Because if you don't do exactly what you need to do as soon as humanly possible, you lose out.  It turns into, "play our game or else." 

 

It's funny because a lot people come to these forums and complain about rushing.  But that's all these events turn into.  Rushing to get your points before the event abruptly ends.  Aside from the silly key requirement for the event (I'm not a fan of keys in general, that's a different discussion), the idea of teamwork in the event was completely lost.  The best way to get your points and move on was to split up.  Each kill a dude and meet at extraction.  And do it fast.

 

Instead of instilling some type of epic teamwork into the game, these events split players between those who like and/or enjoy them and those who can't complete and/or resent them.  It's never good to split your playerbase over anything; especially in a PvE co-op game.

 

I'm not saying we should just automatically get some neat event reward.  But if DE insists on having events THEY NEED TO LAST THE ALLOTTED TIME.  If we 100 percent it, there should be an epilogue stage where people can catch up.  And I fully believe that the player that completes something in the epilogue stage should still get the rewards if they hit the point requirement. 

 

For every person standing up for the event system, I'm sure there is a person who can't stand the way events work.  I have no idea which side of the debate has more people, but keep in mind that no one speaks for everyone.  This game is still in its infancy and the events need a rework just like alerts are getting.  Just like the entire game will continue to get as it grows and evolves.

[JDP04]

Guys, the grineer settlement already found, so the key to capture the corpus scout is no longer needed.

if you want to work for the mods, just wait till DE release it as a rare drop, or a nightmare rewards.

i myself only got 1 point and still got about 14-15 corpus keys.

the reason i'm helding back from playing, is because i'm doing some real life event, and i'm saving the keys to play with my real life friends.

but sadly, the event ended too soon.

so, just get over it guys.. :)

[KvotheTheArcane1]

Guys, the grineer settlement already found, so the key to capture the corpus scout is no longer needed.

if you want to work for the mods, just wait till DE release it as a rare drop, or a nightmare rewards.

History says it's not gonna happen... (until DErebecca said it would, but eh)

[Overlord_Hades]

The ending of this event was not clear.

Those people who are whining are doing so because of that.

If they knew the event would have ended today I bet they would have put more time into it.

Usually they state the exact amount of days you have, Most of us thought this event would be 6 days long.

 

Not to mention other factors in this event..

 

I feel bad for the people who actually had to work on it, considering all the people who cheated. 

When we went on to operation FINAL stand, i would assume thats when it would end. It was even announced with the second part of the event with all the rewards. If they didnt want to work or they didnt want to work before the mods were announced then thats their fault. I got my 100 in a few hours playing with my clan. Thats like bare minimum effort. The only people i feel bad for in all the cheating is the clans, no doubt the cheating messed up the statue rewards.

[JDP04]

maybe DE should make fake progression bar that start at 0% in the beginning of operation and 100% full precisely at the end of the event deadline.. lol.