Overly Moneygrubbing Much?

[Nekonomable]

Normaly i dont get into this argument. Yes its a free to play game, so ofc they have things to get people to pay and thus make a profit. But theres just a few things that they really dont need to charge for. Ima just say one, other peeps may add on if they wish.

 

Clan Emblems.

I mean really? Any other company would give this option out for FREE. but not only does every clan member need to buy the right to wear their clan icon proudly, but the warlord needs to pay TWICE. 30 just to wear it, and 150 to upload the image they plan to use. 180 plat? Reminder, thats just a tad over 10$, ina thing any other free to play game offers as a free thing.  and thats one person! So, ok, yea ten dollers is no big whoop. but think about it this way. Lets say a clan of 100 wants all ite members to have this dainty lil emblem. each one has to cough up 30 plat. the lowest you can buy ofc is 5$ for 75.

 

5 x 100?

 

So in the market of an item that should be free (or at leaste credits, the upload fee should at leaste be smaller) they have managed to squeeze $515.

As they already have things for plat in market, that i do agree with, why do they feel the need to chargee us for this one thing so heavy? A few of my clanees have been wondering if the game will go pay-to-win and thats currently where its heading, especialy with events more geard for the high end runners who have the time to bang out 50+ runs a day. i barely mangage to make time for the last even, for mods youd never be able to get again. I feel bad for those with more lives then even me who prolly were away and couldnt get on to get these one time mods. At the very leaste they should have told us about the pre-reqs and the upcoming secondary objectivs/rewards ahead of time. Mods should be aquireable for all, i agree that some people love Exclusive items, myself included. and I agree that there should be exlusive items, but they should only be cosmetic or like the prime frames at best. Making these Mods exclusive, especial with the points needed on a short timeframe, begs for those with the time and money (to buy good gear in the first place so they can rush the event) to spend and go.

 

Not saying its a bad game. Far from. im just saying they dont need to look for all the tiny nooks and crannys to penny pinch.

 

Im not entirely sure here, and I know ill get alot of heat for this post, but that what im here for. My opinion. Agree, disagree, but either way, ive made my say.

 

If theres anything else anyone else wants to add, feel free.

Have fun!

Aya~

 

Edit: if your going to flame me do so, but if your going to come in here and Arse Kiss. leave. not only is it sad and pathetic, its also extremely boring. Yes, DE is an amazing company, and made a very amazing game. But Arse kissing here, wont get you anything. leave it at the door, or just leave and dont let the door hit you on the way out.

Edited August 15, 2013 by Nekonomable

[Cinderain]

I will not have fun.

 

Also, DE doesn't have a Publisher to fund them and they're far less "greedy" than Developers+Publishers that I used to put up with before I came here. There are changes that I would like for DE to make, but they're still a lovely breath of fresh oxygen for me.

Edited August 15, 2013 by FatalX7

[Bleghy]

I've got nothing against the 30 plat for displaying the emblem, I do think the upload cost is a bit high though.

[Nekonomable]

I will not have fun.

 

Also, DE doesn't have a Publisher to fund them and they're far less "greedy" than Developers+Publishers that I used to put up with before I came here. There are changes that I would like for DE to make, but they're still a lovely breath of fresh oxygen for me.

Agreed, DE is doing a fine job. ive been around(pun intended) to see enough of bad devs+pubs. DE is doing amazing. I just dont agree with some of the aspects here so far. Admitidly, they wont make a Perfect Gaming Environment. but wouldnt hurt to try to get as close as possible.

[S3raph]

A few of my clanees have been wondering if the game will go pay-to-win and thats currently where its heading, especialy with events more geard for the high end runners who have the time to bang out 50+ runs a day. i barely mangage to make time for the last even, for mods youd never be able to get again. I feel bad for those with more lives then even me who prolly were away and couldnt get on to get these one time mods. Mods should be aquireable for all

 

 

Last event mods were not exclusive and can be acquired by all. They have been added to the Nightmare mode drop table.

 

As for the emblem, I agree 30plat is maybe too much but it's still a customization item. It doesn't affect gameplay so I'm not that bothered about it (didn't buy it).

[Nekonomable]

Last event mods were not exclusive and can be acquired by all. They have been added to the Nightmare mode drop table.

 

As for the emblem, I agree 30plat is maybe too much but it's still a customization item. It doesn't affect gameplay so I'm not that bothered about it (didn't buy it).

Thanks for that, was not aware of the nighmare tables being added to.

 Nice anti-flame post. Apriciated.

[WhisperByte]

I'm pretty sure that those mods haven't been added to NM reward tables. Yet. But Scott said in the livestream that they will be

[Shiniko]

I don't really care about exclusive items since it's just an interesting marketing strategy to get people to play. They do need the participation. Most of the plat items are well priced if you buy plat with a 50% or 75% off coupon. But yeah, the clan emblems are the one thing that should really be a little price-reduced. For an icon that no one besides you and your clan members really bother to notice (since it's so small), it costs as much as a mid-priced warframe. Just saying.

[Nekonomable]

I'm pretty sure that those mods haven't been added to NM reward tables. Yet. But Scott said in the livestream that they will be

Huh... well lets hope Scotts word is better then steves nearly 4 month word on  resets. xD (sorry steve)

[Nekonomable]

I don't really care about exclusive items since it's just an interesting marketing strategy to get people to play. They do need the participation. Most of the plat items are well priced if you buy plat with a 50% or 75% off coupon. But yeah, the clan emblems are the one thing that should really be a little price-reduced. For an icon that no one besides you and your clan members really bother to notice (since it's so small), it costs as much as a mid-priced warframe. Just saying.

Agreed on the participation, but those cupons are quite rare, thus making it kinda dificult to nail down some cheap plat. and yea, i noticed the icon being as much worth as Mag.

 

on that note, thanks for the none ragey input ^^

its quite nice~

Aya<3

[WhisperByte]

Huh... well lets hope Scotts word is better then steves nearly 4 month word on  resets. xD (sorry steve)

Scott said "sooner rather than later". I would rather see ammo mutators and maybe Primed Chamber in the loot tables. Or at least the buff of Charged Chamber to reasonable bonus to mod point cost ratio

[Nekonomable]

Scott said "sooner rather than later". I would rather see ammo mutators and maybe Primed Chamber in the loot tables. Or at least the buff of Charged Chamber to reasonable bonus to mod point cost ratio

This would be Loverly. As i didnt nail down those ones. Life decided to give me a curveball at that time. A mod for more puncture would be nice to ne?

loving your input!^^

Aya<3

[Bliznub]

Going to go ahead and get the devil's advocate bit out of the way:

 

DE is a company. They're here to make money. They have, however, made it very clear that they want to look out for the playerbase and make the gaming experience the best they can.

 

With that said, I can understand why they would put plat costs on unnecessary items. Means us non-platinum players don't lose out, aren't any worse off.

Now then; I believe the plat costs are off. For an aesthetic item a cost of 30 platinum ($3 ish?) is reasonable. Perhaps a little higher than I'd expect. Now, 150 plat ($10?) for setting up the clan symbol DOES seem off.

A charge HAS to be in place so that clans can't spam symbol changes and put load on the server, but I would expect it to be a million credits or perhaps 30 plat, like the cost of getting the item initially.

 

Of course, just my opinion based on other free to plays and pay to plays I've seen. I respect DE's decision to limit plat costs to relatively unnecessary items, but I feel that the costs themselves need a look over.

 

I hope this is helpful.

[Rengakun]

Well, the upload fee is actually to pay an actual person to screen it.

 

Things aren't exactly P2W, as paying doesn't give you a distinct advantage over F2P'ers. Catalysts, Reactors and Forma can be acquired in game, although they are pretty damn rare.

 

 

 

Also, what kind of Neko says 'Aya'? You should be saying 'Nya~! :3'. Start being a proper Neko now!

 

 

 

Meow~! :3

[Nekonomable]

Going to go ahead and get the devil's advocate bit out of the way:

 

DE is a company. They're here to make money. They have, however, made it very clear that they want to look out for the playerbase and make the gaming experience the best they can.

 

With that said, I can understand why they would put plat costs on unnecessary items. Means us non-platinum players don't lose out, aren't any worse off.

Now then; I believe the plat costs are off. For an aesthetic item a cost of 30 platinum ($3 ish?) is reasonable. Perhaps a little higher than I'd expect. Now, 150 plat ($10?) for setting up the clan symbol DOES seem off.

A charge HAS to be in place so that clans can't spam symbol changes and put load on the server, but I would expect it to be a million credits or perhaps 30 plat, like the cost of getting the item initially.

 

Of course, just my opinion based on other free to plays and pay to plays I've seen. I respect DE's decision to limit plat costs to relatively unnecessary items, but I feel that the costs themselves need a look over.

 

I hope this is helpful.

It was indeed, and i agree. The prices on a few items are... uncooth? That said if they wanted they could even make a Cred>Plat exchange. tehy already have a Plat>cred changeover. Ofc make the Cred>Plat balanced, like idk.... 10mill for one plat?  Befor anyone rages at this particular idea, it has been done. In a very succsessful FTP mmo.

[Nekonomable]

Well, the upload fee is actually to pay an actual person to screen it.

 

Things aren't exactly P2W, as paying doesn't give you a distinct advantage over F2P'ers. Catalysts, Reactors and Forma can be acquired in game, although they are pretty damn rare.

 

 

 

Also, what kind of Neko says 'Aya'? You should be saying 'Nya~! :3'. Start being a proper Neko now!

 

 

 

Meow~! :3

Ayas my name.I kinda have a thing of sticking it to the end of posts like a siggy...

 

your kinda funny.

Aya~

 

Edit: Im not saying the emblem itself is pay to win. Im just saying that yes, the rarer then fawk items need to be a lil more common so the FTP peeps arent left in the dust by fully reeactored and catalized runners. just makes you feel lesser and unneeded

Edited August 15, 2013 by Nekonomable

[naappalmi]

You raise a good point, which I agree on but it's pretty safe to say that ship has sailed.

If they would decide now to make the emblems available through blueprints or such, there would be a lot of unhappy players who have purchased it.
They would have to end up giving back the plat just to make everyone happy again.
That would propably just be too much of a hassle.

[Mesane]

you know......you dont need a clan emblem being displayed bro

[Slurmageddon]

The upload cost I agree is way out of proportion and I'm not trying to make excuses for it, but it might be to do with the labour cost of some dude having to review then impliment every single one.

 

This MIGHT go away if an automated system gets introduced, I dont know but for now after coughing up the plat for it, I honestly don't feel that bitter over it, its a really cool thing to have in the game. But if they do reduce the cost to something like 30 plat to upload I'm gonna a little pissed off

[Slurmageddon]

You raise a good point, which I agree on but it's pretty safe to say that ship has sailed.

If they would decide now to make the emblems available through blueprints or such, there would be a lot of unhappy players who have purchased it.

They would have to end up giving back the plat just to make everyone happy again.

That would propably just be too much of a hassle.

Valid point, he has it

[Nekonomable]

you know......you dont need a clan emblem being displayed bro

not a bro, bro. and your missing the point xD

Edited August 15, 2013 by Nekonomable

[GottFaust]

I'd like to point out that every single person is given 50 platinum for making an account. I'd like to also point out that 50 is more than 30 and that they have basically given out free clan emblems if you choose to spend part of your free starting plat on it.

As to the upload costs. Every single game that I have played that allows you to upload a completely custom image to their game has charged. I'm not talking about locally hosted spray images or emblems built out of pre-made shapes in an in-game emblem maker. I'm talking about a custom image from your computer being uploaded to their server, added to the game proper, and then applied to your clan. Is the price high? That depends on what it takes on their end. I will say this though: they don't have a publisher throwing startup money at them so they can buy tons and tons of server hardware so it's probably not easy or cheap for them.

[Bliznub]

I'd like to point out that every single person is given 50 platinum for making an account.

 

50 platinum, two frame slots and four weapon slots (I think).

 

I don't think anyone not intending to purchase platinum would ever spend 3/5 of their plat on a shoulder badge.

 

More to the point, what about the clan leader?

[Neruell]

People need to define what "pay to win" is first before making any criticism/suggestions. If you talk about "p2w" as some sort of advantage over other "free" players, than there is absolutely nothing you can buy with $ to become "better". If you talk about "p2w" about emblems, colors and yes even slots then you have a totally different understanding of what "pay to win" means.

 

 

No one forces you to buy anything. There is no "secret content" only paying players get access to and the only obstacle between "free" players and "paying" users is time and luck.

 

Also, how are events even somehow related to platinum? If people decide to rush them, they do. If you can't keep up, then its your fault and blame people who rush them, so how is this related to "p2w"? Can you pay to win the event? Did I miss something? 

[GottFaust]

50 platinum, two frame slots and four weapon slots (I think).

I don't think anyone not intending to purchase platinum would ever spend 3/5 of their plat on a shoulder badge.

More to the point, what about the clan leader?

Yes project more and completely ignore 95% of my post only to ask the exact same question that I answered in the part you ignored. Edited August 15, 2013 by GottFaust