Lets Talk About Single Hand Weapon

[---ExcaliburPrime---]

Will they ever get some sort of buff to at least be useable?

 

I am 99.99% certain no one uses them (other then Dark sword because it has the word dark in it)

 

I understand bigger two-handed weapons are and will deal more damage.

Dual weapons should be a little faster and unleash faster blows.

But where does that leave one handed sword and daggers fit?

How would you improve them?

[Maou]

they should buff it, I like using my pangolin sword but its really weak even with good mods

[Arlayn]

Will they ever get some sort of buff to at least be useable?

 

I am 99.99% certain no one uses them (other then Dark sword because it has the word dark in it)

 

I understand bigger two-handed weapons are and will deal more damage.

Dual weapons should be a little faster and unleash faster blows.

But where does that leave one handed sword and daggers fit?

How would you improve them?

It gets weird when it comes to single hand weapons... Personally I feel a single hand weapon should do more damage then a dual wield... Why? because off hand combat... because not everyone is ambidextrous. Like Skana should do more damage then Dual Skana, meanwhile Dual Skana has higher speed of usage meaning faster consistent barrage of blows vs. shear power of each blow. Then you end up in two handed weapons like Fragor, and scindo territory...

 

How it should be

 

Dual wield is speed with less damage

Single hand is more damage, and faster then two hand weapon but slower then dual wield

Two hand is slower then both groups but has the highest damage

 

This would mean Single hand weapon focus would be ideal for all situations as its the middle ground to speed, and power.

[quietcanary]

and single hand greater reach than dual but less than 2 hand

[Saenol]

It gets weird when it comes to single hand weapons... Personally I feel a single hand weapon should do more damage then a dual wield... Why? because off hand combat... because not everyone is ambidextrous.

 

There is utterly no reason for two weapons to be inferior to one weapon held in a single hand, assuming at least one of the dual weapons is roughly the same as the single one.

 

You do not need to be ambidextrous to use both of your hands.

[AscendantWyvern]

My personal views of using a single blade states that they NEED a way to be useful.

 

There are advantages to using a single blade in the real world, and they are very important reasons. Using a two-handed sword allows for better precision, and stronger hold. 

 

How can this translate into the game? Damage. Dual wield weapons could have raised crit chance for "lucky strikes", but single weapons need to make up their general lack of "sweeping" in damage. If you're precise with your weapon, you hit the right spots HARD. 

 

Raising the base damage and base charge damage of two-handed swords will create the split between high damage, crowd clear, and swing speed. All weapons should have two of these three stats while sacrificing the other.

 

To reiterate:

Two-handed swords like Dark sword or Skana: High Damage, Fast swing speed

Dual wield One handed swords: Crowd Clear, Fast swing speed

Heavy Weapons: High Damage, Crowd Clear

 

As for daggers, they would have High Damage and Fast Swing speed as well.

[Arlayn]

There is utterly no reason for two weapons to be inferior to one weapon held in a single hand, assuming at least one of the dual weapons is roughly the same as the single one.

 

You do not need to be ambidextrous to use both of your hands.

So your some kind of Chinese epic monk dude that can wield two swords? Maybe you know some ancient legendary art where you don't need to be ambidextrous for perfect control in both hands... If you can vouch as a Master of Sword wielding then I will personally take your word for it...

[Pro3Display]

daggers must deal 100k armor ignore dmg with stealth execute and we are good to go =D

cause, u know, cant kill ~40+ mob with stealth execute with fully moded weapon... dafuq

Edited August 16, 2013 by Pro3Display

[---ExcaliburPrime---]

daggers must deal 100k armor ignore dmg with stealth execute and we are good to go =D

cause, u know, cant kill ~40+ mob with stealth execute with fully moded weapon... dafuq

Seriously

What the hells the point of stealth killing someone with melee if they're just going to alert their friends after.

[Arlayn]

daggers must deal 100k armor ignore dmg with stealth execute and we are good to go =D

cause, u know, cant kill ~40+ mob with stealth execute with fully moded weapon... dafuq

hmm... a dagger that ignores armor on stealth attack... sounds legit considering in medieval times they had chainmail piercing daggers that went through the mail and stabbed them... I could see this working...

[Karma_Ghost]

hmm... a dagger that ignores armor on stealth attack... sounds legit considering in medieval times they had chainmail piercing daggers that went through the mail and stabbed them... I could see this working...

 

With the exception of ether daggers, all the dagger weapons deal armor piercing damage.

[DavidSPD]

I use Plasma Sword. So at least one person uses them.

[Aspari]

I use Pangolin Sword because it's, in my opinion, the most elegantly designed weapon in the game. 

[Arlayn]

With the exception of ether daggers, all the dagger weapons deal armor piercing damage.

Skyrim the stealth gave you some insane crit damage with stealth... Daggers should do the same here on Warframe... Seriously... daggers need some serious buffing to become the ultimate sneak tool in the game... So more people use it over fragor, and fangs.

[AscendantWyvern]

Skyrim the stealth gave you some insane crit damage with stealth... Daggers should do the same here on Warframe... Seriously... daggers need some serious buffing to become the ultimate sneak tool in the game... So more people use it over fragor, and fangs.

Agreed, the normal Stealth buff is 200% damage for all melee. What if Daggers had a 300% buff? They would be the ideal stealth weapon.

[BigBadHunkyDaddy]

One handed weapons are useless. Basically all the melee weapons should be reworked in my opinion. Stealth attack shouldn't be dealing damage in the first place, it should be instant kill. One handed weapons should be average in everything, daggers should be the fastest weapons with lowest damage but instant stealth kill. Heavy weapons should be the slowest, with highest damage and vulnerable to interruption. As for dual weapons, I have no idea. Probably put the between daggers and one handed in terms of speed and damage.

 

I think that each type of weapon should have a different utility to make them all useful for different situations

[Hellzsaint]

They should add a higher crit bonus like how tf2 manages the duel weilds 

[Arlayn]

One handed weapons are useless. Basically all the melee weapons should be reworked in my opinion. Stealth attack shouldn't be dealing damage in the first place, it should be instant kill. One handed weapons should be average in everything, daggers should be the fastest weapons with lowest damage but instant stealth kill. Heavy weapons should be the slowest, with highest damage and vulnerable to interruption. As for dual weapons, I have no idea. Probably put the between daggers and one handed in terms of speed and damage.

 

I think that each type of weapon should have a different utility to make them all useful for different situations

There is plenty of games where a sneak killing doesn't kill them...

 

Edit: also Reaper prime, and Hate should not instant kill someone for beating enemies as if you were wielding a crowbar

Edited August 16, 2013 by Arlayn

[BigBadHunkyDaddy]

There is plenty of games where a sneak killing doesn't kill them...

And there are plenty games where sneak killing kills them. What's your point?

[merryfistmas]

There is utterly no reason for two weapons to be inferior to one weapon held in a single hand, assuming at least one of the dual weapons is roughly the same as the single one.

 

You do not need to be ambidextrous to use both of your hands.

It's incredibly difficult to use two swords in each hand and using one sword with two hands (yes, longswords use two hands) will allow to swing way harder then flaing with two swords.

[---ExcaliburPrime---]

I use Pangolin Sword because it's, in my opinion, the most elegantly designed weapon in the game. 

I've actually thought this too, although for me it was

"that is a very nice looking sword, to bad it pretty much has zero use"

 

I'm not looking for super damage or mega crits, I want the to at least be a viable option.

[Ganpot]

I would prefer 1-handed swords to be more defensive than other melee weapons.  Once blocking is overhauled and hopefully becomes useful, 1-handed swords could enter block mode faster, use less stamina, etc. 

[BPoole]

I only use one handed swords bc I like them. They aren't as viable as others but I hate big Melee weapons or dual weapons

[---ExcaliburPrime---]

One handed weapons are useless. Basically all the melee weapons should be reworked in my opinion. Stealth attack shouldn't be dealing damage in the first place, it should be instant kill. One handed weapons should be average in everything, daggers should be the fastest weapons with lowest damage but instant stealth kill.

Steve said that he didn't want stealth attacks to be insta kills.

He said that they could possibly be exploited which, I sort of understand.

A scenario would be

Use Loki

Go invisible all the way to boss

Stealth attack

he ded

 

But I'm certain there are ways around these "exploits"

[---ExcaliburPrime---]

I only use one handed swords bc I like them. They aren't as viable as others but I hate big Melee weapons or dual weapons

Single swords are sooo much nicer looking too.