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[DE]Taylor

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Was responding to someone on reddit challenging my underwhelmed response to Vlad (I suggest "Revant", BTW) with a "What sort of abilities would you like to see in a vampire warframe?"  Copying it here so someone might actually see it:

Vampires are all about presentation, since their core powers are basically hard to kill mind-influencing ninja.

Take the current power concept, for example. The 1 needs to blink to the enemy and latch onto them. Maybe add another blink away afterwards. The 3 isn't inherently bad, but the mist should be subtle instead of blocking your whole screen, and as it sweeps over enemies, it should rip a ghostly after-image of them out of their bodies to do a short death animation and vanish.

Ideally, we'd see some life-blood power, some shapeshifting (a general no-go in Warframe), some master of the night creatures, and some sexy bride minions. I propose his 4 summon three curvy bride specters armed with his equipped melee, and a kubrow (equipped like Venari perhaps), with hits from brides delivering his 1 and all using/counting/sharing his melee combo counter.

Now we need blood. As a simple example you could have wounding live enemies feed a glowing blood-orb/-moon over him that grants a buff to allies in range while it lasts (or while it's fed). I'd probably push the combo-counter thing further and have it orient around that so it synergizes with the 4 and is only especially strong with ramp-up. Having the option to use your ranged weapons to feed melee bonuses for your minions has interesting play that wouldn't just leave it a "melee player only" ability.

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I just loved everything about that!
Vlad looks amazing, and his abilities and passive sound really fun!
Separately Moddable Exalted Weapons Sounds excellent again!
New Melee Weapons look cool!
Titania getting a look-over also sounds great, she needs some loving, all of her skills are a bit subpar, and her Razowing needs some loving, more armor or evasion, or better handling of Razorwings, and the melee of hers is disappointing, and the loss in momentum in tight spaces as you even grace a surface makes steering her a slog, she really needs some wallrunning or something to allow her to navigate indoors more fluently while flying.

I really don't have anything negative to say, all of those advertised additions/changes make me really excited!

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I am very interested in vlad as a frame but I expected a sentient frame to be more hyper adaptive zombie then vampire, with a passive to negate procs

abilities to negate the more dmg is incoming.. basicly more like chroma..

minor point aside, 

please let us buy vlad from the quills..

then my thousands of cores will atleast have some use.

as for the name Vesper, the latin word for bat.. its a bit on the nose, but I feel it would fit with the theme.

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2 hours ago, [DE]Taylor said:

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Did you miss the last Devstream before TennoCon 2018? Get a look at the next Warframe, coming melee weapons and more in our official overview:  https://www.warframe.com/news/devstream-112-overview

How does a Sentient warframe work so far in the lore as established? Sentient are established in several quests and background so far as degrading if exposed to long-term Void Energy like that we fuel our warframes with; wouldn't this conflict with how warframes function so far? Also recently established in Plague Star, Sentient or at least Eidolon Sentient, are immune to Technocyte infestation which is the core element of our warframes. This would imply the warframe would at best just have sentient parts attached as is the case with the Pakal cosmetic armor or could not integrate like how a warframe might have gear grown or cultivated into it otherwise. Wouldn't Sentient elements integrated into a warframe then invalidate Plague Star's Eidolon Phlylaxis world building?

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What if Reven-Lad could share a portion of his own health to control and enpower a mob with a weaker instance of his own powers? Like, if he has an health sucking toggle aura then the dominated minion would get the same aura, with half the level Vlad has.

Also what if he has a toggle aura that triggers extra shields per mob inflicted with impact cc, extra health regen per mob inflicted with slash cc. extra energy regen per mob inflicted by puncture ccs (could also be a passive)

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Just now, Urlan said:

How does a Sentient warframe work so far in the lore as established? Sentient are established in several quests and background so far as degrading if exposed to long-term Void Energy like that we fuel our warframes with; wouldn't this conflict with how warframes function so far? Also recently established in Plague Star, Sentient or at least Eidolon Sentient, are immune to Technocyte infestation which is the core element of our warframes. This would imply the warframe would at best just have sentient parts attached as is the case with the Pakal cosmetic armor or could not integrate like how a warframe might have gear grown or cultivated into it otherwise. Wouldn't Sentient elements integrated into a warframe then invalidate Plague Star's Eidolon Phlylaxis world building?

Well, judging by how the frame is termed as a "revanant", and how it is described as Afflicted by Sentient energy, I can assume that the warframe didn't "live" through the experience that gave it its sentient powers, and that its current state is a form of unusual symbiosis between tenno void energy, and sentient power.

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2 minutes ago, Omega-Shadowblade said:

Well, judging by how the frame is termed as a "revanant", and how it is described as Afflicted by Sentient energy, I can assume that the warframe didn't "live" through the experience that gave it its sentient powers, and that its current state is a form of unusual symbiosis between tenno void energy, and sentient power.

Yeah, none of that would still make any sense. You recall Octavia's Anthem? How the Suda shielded Shards of Hunhow were decaying even so protected while fighting us in the Void? You know how our amps break their invulnerable shields for Eidolon shards; adaptive armor for Hunhow Shards; and are poison enough to make any Sentient barren just traveling through the Solar Rails let alone being touched with raw Void energy? That is what we are talking about here. The warframe isn't the issue here as for as Void energy goes, it can gulp that stuff down to metabolize and fuel its own abilities and that raw Void Energy comes from us and our Transference. The problem for the warframe using Sentient stuff is that Sentient parts are established as being immune to technocyte during Plague Star, its nothing about Sentient energy - we give off stuff that makes science fail - Sentient do not; Eidolon energy pulses for instance being Magnetic in nature. So the situation would be a warframe that can not integrate the Sentient stuff, since the Sentient parts are like Teflon to the Technocyte that makes up our warframes while the Sentient are also degraded just being in the presence for too long of Void energy sources like our Tenno transferencing into the warframe.

As far as the warframe is a revanant, that just means its theme is being an undead. In this case, a Vampire; the mosquito of the undead world. The warframe could not be dead, anymore than Inaros the space mummy Rebel Prince is dead or Atlas was petrified. We make our warframes from blueprints of existing copies; and would be unable to tell something to move using transference if it were dead or otherwise not behaving to the spec it was specifically made to. Being undead is just a cosmetic and ability theme while being Sentient based is impossible as per the established world building in the game so far without changing Cephalon Entries, Quests, and Events.

 

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We’re always planning on reworking and tweaking Warframes to make sure they’re on par with the newer content. Goal is to make each Warframe end-game viable.

If you manage this I'll love you more than I do now.

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5 hours ago, Urlan said:

How does a Sentient warframe work so far in the lore as established? Sentient are established in several quests and background so far as degrading if exposed to long-term Void Energy like that we fuel our warframes with; wouldn't this conflict with how warframes function so far? Also recently established in Plague Star, Sentient or at least Eidolon Sentient, are immune to Technocyte infestation which is the core element of our warframes. This would imply the warframe would at best just have sentient parts attached as is the case with the Pakal cosmetic armor or could not integrate like how a warframe might have gear grown or cultivated into it otherwise. Wouldn't Sentient elements integrated into a warframe then invalidate Plague Star's Eidolon Phlylaxis world building?

 "Vlad" is afflicted with sentient energy,  it is not sentient meaning it does not have the weakness to void energy. 

Sentients are immune to the virus, doesn't mean that it can't be used with technocyte. But this shouldn't need an explanation since the warframe isn't sentient either way. 

It also doesn't invalidate the Eidolon Phylaxis world building. Simply being because the Eidolon Phylaxis was specially formulated to combat infest boils. Sentient immunity was an ingredient not a factor of it's own. It's the same as  taking the blood of a patient who is immune to virus X and formulating a cure with that blood to combat virus X.

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2 hours ago, Urlan said:

How does a Sentient warframe work so far in the lore as established? Sentient are established in several quests and background so far as degrading if exposed to long-term Void Energy like that we fuel our warframes with; wouldn't this conflict with how warframes function so far? Also recently established in Plague Star, Sentient or at least Eidolon Sentient, are immune to Technocyte infestation which is the core element of our warframes. This would imply the warframe would at best just have sentient parts attached as is the case with the Pakal cosmetic armor or could not integrate like how a warframe might have gear grown or cultivated into it otherwise. Wouldn't Sentient elements integrated into a warframe then invalidate Plague Star's Eidolon Phlylaxis world building?

The void is poison to the sentients, and Vlad might have been the antidote derived from a traitor tenno working with the sentients.  They could have figured a way around void poisoning if it weren't for us tenno stealing him in the end and preventing his revolutionary designs from becoming the one thing that could make the sentient race unstoppable.

at least, that's what I think

 

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11 minutes ago, ShadowExodus said:

 "Vlad" is afflicted with sentient energy,  it is not sentient meaning it does not have the weakness to void energy. 

Sentients are immune to the virus, doesn't mean that it can't be used with technocyte. But this shouldn't need an explanation since the warframe isn't sentient either way. 

It also doesn't invalidate the Eidolon Phylaxis world building. Simply being because the Eidolon Phylaxis was specially formulated to combat infest boils. Sentient immunity was an ingredient not a factor of it's own. It's the same as  taking the blood of a patient who is immune to virus X and formulating a cure with that blood to combat virus X.

That is exactly what being immune means, it can not be affected at all, being an asymptomatic carrier is what you are thinking. Sentient immunity to Technocyte means it would be impossible to make Technocyte integrate with it. You are thinking taking immune cells of a person whose immune system has adapted to and overcome an infection; this is not how Sentient immunity was presented. Even you have seen Sentient energy affliction, the magnetic affects on the lakes and ponds of the Plains - magnetic energy - we have another warframe with Magnetic focus, that would be Mag obviously. How it has been presented in game, Void energy disrupts and degrades Sentient material and entities - likely what the 'energy' we are getting at is representing. It would be akin so far as we understand it, to mixing organic matter to raw energy or acid.

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3 hours ago, Urlan said:

That is exactly what being immune means, it can not be affected at all, being an asymptomatic carrier is what you are thinking. Sentient immunity to Technocyte means it would be impossible to make Technocyte integrate with it. You are thinking taking immune cells of a person whose immune system has adapted to and overcome an infection; this is not how Sentient immunity was presented. Even you have seen Sentient energy affliction, the magnetic affects on the lakes and ponds of the Plains - magnetic energy - we have another warframe with Magnetic focus, that would be Mag obviously. How it has been presented in game, Void energy disrupts and degrades Sentient material and entities - likely what the 'energy' we are getting at is representing. It would be akin so far as we understand it, to mixing organic matter to raw energy or acid.

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Well, either way, nothing says here that the warframe is made with sentient material. Only afflicted with sentient energy. All it says is that Sentients have an immunity to the Technocyte, they're unaffected by the biomechanical pathogen. Nothing says that sentients cannot be used with the technocyte material whether they have the immunity or not

I have seen what happens when you energize water with sentient energy, it brings a magnetic effect. Yes it has been presented that the void is poison to the sentient, nothing saying about sentient energy. It's literal energy... created by sentients, nothing hard to understand. It's quite plausible if a warframe was afflicted with the energy as seen with "Vlad". Considering that warframe don't use pure void energy but just channel the energy into something else entirely. So it's not far fetched if we have a warframe that can channel tenno void energy into sentient energy, that's its purpose. I mean we have warframes that channel void energy into magnetism, electricity, ice, rage, light, darkness, dimensional warping, mind control, controlling souls, etc etc. So even if the warframe did have sentient parts, it's not gonna be affected by void energy.

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