Yet Another Nova Post.

[Soaron]

When I go into a defense mission and I see Nova, I sigh.  When I see two... I cry.

Not really, but I really dislike her. Reasons:

 

1) She's too cute. She stands out among all the other female frames because she is wearing leg warmers. Kawaii, anyone? She's so soft looking, she doesn't have that gritty, alien edge of the other female frames. Even Nyx looks less pretty than her. I am surprised she doesn't have Hello Kitty or Cherry Blossom pattern all over her.

 

2) A fanboy's fantasy results in... a fanboy's fantasy. She was created by fans, which I cannot applaud that enough... DE is a company that listens to its followers and delivers. Which is really scary. What do you get when you take a bunch of gamers and ask them what their wishes are? Think about this for a second, is it really a good strategy? Besides, it hardly represents the wishes of everyone in the community.

 

3) It makes shooting things on defense missions much less fun. "Oh look, here comes a nice little swarm for me to unload my machine gun on! Oh wait.. why are they all glowing... why are they all gone now? ... Novaaaaaa!" . "Oh look! Another chance to use my UT on a small little crowd! Wait! They're gone now! Novaaaaaaa!".  I know some more experienced players control themselves and are a bit more tactful when it comes to pressing 4 or any other power that does absurd damage or high kills, but in my experience most Nova users are just kill-hoarders.  Which is weird... even people that use Ember seem to control themselves more.

And yes, kills do matter. Not in a techincal sense, but why even have statistics at the end if it's not gonna be to see what player did best?

 

I don't like Nova, she is the last frame I would build, but if players wanna use her, it's fine. Just don't go all Leroy Jenkins on us all.. because for some reason...  I don't know what it is about her, but most players that use her act that way.

[PsychedelicSnake]

I don't like Nova, she is the last frame I would build, but if players wanna use her, it's fine. Just don't go all Leroy Jenkins on us all.. because for some reason...  I don't know what it is about her, but most players that use her act that way.

This is a perfectly legitimate request. Sadly though, many Nova players will still go about spamming their Ultimates when it is not needed. Me and a few other Nova users I know of only use it like a panic button; to be activated when loss is a clear possibility if you don't clear the room fast.

 

So yeah, giving other players a chance to feel useful is a good request. If you take away a person's ability to feel useful... well then no one will be having fun.

[Miose]

Nova is fine. Yes she has the big ultimate but if everyone stopped worrying about kills and focused on the game you'd enjoy it a lot more. With Nova you could get a lot further in it. It's a good thing to go further! or am I wrong? I don't use nova that much but I have her and I like using her. As per the cute factor I agree to an extent. I really hate the fact that the DE made her look so dumb and then the runner up warframe (necro) gets to be the coolest looking warframe I've seen yet. That makes me so mad. Plus the fact that her name is Nova has nothing to do with antimatter! I like the DE and I appreciate the things that they've done but I just wish they would have made Nova atleast look kind of cool.

[Rhorge]

These words are coming from the bottom of my heart: Nova has the absolute worst design out of anything in the game. Grineer codpieces are more fitting and climatic than Nova. Her legs look absurd, massive growth on the lower legs and a disproportionately large &#!. Her upper body is no better, the growth makes a reappearance on her lower arms and she seems to have breast cancer. Coupled with the freakishly long neck (covered with the aforementioned growth) and a downright weak looking body she is just an eyesore.

[Sophista]

This is a perfectly legitimate request. Sadly though, many Nova players will still go about spamming their Ultimates when it is not needed. Me and a few other Nova users I know of only use it like a panic button; to be activated when loss is a clear possibility if you don't clear the room fast.

 

So yeah, giving other players a chance to feel useful is a good request. If you take away a person's ability to feel useful... well then no one will be having fun.

Man of reason strikes back!

[Holynight6]

 

2) A fanboy's fantasy results in... a fanboy's fantasy... etc.

 

 

Players had 0 say in her design, just her abilities.

 

I actually like Novas design and hate Necro. Don't hate, I just like what I like.

Edited August 16, 2013 by Holynight6

[Minfduck]

i hate playing with her when im ash :(

[Miose]

Players had 0 say in her design, just her abilities.

 

I actually like Novas design and hate Necro. Don't hate, I just like what I like.

It just doesn't fit the antimatter idea though! Plus the name doesn't fit at all. I get the concept of the fragile porcelain look but it was just a poor choice for a yin yang style warframe

[Stormganzo]

This is a perfectly legitimate request. Sadly though, many Nova players will still go about spamming their Ultimates when it is not needed. Me and a few other Nova users I know of only use it like a panic button; to be activated when loss is a clear possibility if you don't clear the room fast.

 

So yeah, giving other players a chance to feel useful is a good request. If you take away a person's ability to feel useful... well then no one will be having fun.

You are a gentleman, but let me ask you this: why a player have to feel useful just because a nova player dont use the #4 button?

from my point of view a PLAYER HAVE TO BE USEFUL always, even if a nova spam that #4 skill!

As i said, you are a gentleman, but broken things, are still broken.

Edited August 16, 2013 by Stormganzo

[Patrynio]

I cry only, when angels deserve to die.

On a serious note: having Nova can be either the best or the worst thing ever. Depends on what you came for to the mission, I personally hate to play her, because I feel guilty of getting all those kills which were triggered by others, the game becomes less fun for the others when everything goes poof even before you start shooting.

[Miose]

I cry only, when angels deserve to die.

On a serious note: having Nova can be either the best or the worst thing ever. Depends on what you came for to the mission, I personally hate to play her, because I feel guilty of getting all those kills which were triggered by others, the game becomes less fun for the others when everything goes poof even before you start shooting.

I get that feel but a T3 defense is a very handy time to have nova! Plus vauban, frost, and a saryn. We must construct additional warframes.

[Holynight6]

Maybe I'm just too used to duo'ing with my Frost buddy as Ember, and thus being the offensive half of the team, but even when I'm on my Nova I prefer using weapons over powers. Nova might be prone to easy misuse but AIN'T NOTHING STANDING UP TO MY 4 STAR DERA :D

[VER1]

People will use Nova because of Molecular Prime.

It claims kills before they have been killed.

 

Sure people will say highest kills does not matter in this game which technically is true.

No one is getting an actual reward from doing so.

 

But it does mean a lot for feeling like they are the MVP.

Also the reason why we get players using fang or dual zoren with shift+ctrl+e or macro the combination it if they are that competitive to make sure they get everywhere first.

[NinjaSylvy]

I do enjoy Nova, though the ultimate is just way too powerful. A tactical nuke (at worst), you dont have to invest much to it, to kill every single enemy.
On the other hand, I love her looks, her feel and especially her other abilities! People are only annoyed due to her panick 4# button.

[Transvistinator]

Dont have nova, But i myself know how annoying it is to play someone and use an ability on a crowd ( Mainly bladestorm, ugh ) and to suddenly kill 1 primed enemy and my ult to end prematurly, Its no fun seriously.

 

Now here are some Suggestions Thats right, So dont be all " Kill transvistinator because he mentioned X idea!"

 

-           Have novas ult on a short(Ish) Cooldown

 This is somthing that would need tweaking, and mainly is a problem on defence, You can argue that having an ult that kills an entire room wont be effected by a cooldown, Which is half true and the main reason this ideas semi-decent. Having a short cooldown wouldn't impair nova on normal runs, But it would stop the ridiculous OP ness on mid to semi-high level defence where they just 4, Wait 10 seconds, wave cleared.

Pros;

-doesnt effect normal mission runs as nova

-Not that hard to impliment

Cons;

-People dont like their instawin button nerfed. ( Sigh)

-Timer could be annoying to guestimate if there was no visual indicator when it was next avaliable.

 

-   Having novas ult have a decently lengthy channel or sorts

This is another thing that could potentually work, But its oriantated around the fact that shes most annoying in defence missions, Although it will add skill instead of just pushing 4 to win. To be honest this is mainly to prevent all the ~!@*%$ "Hallway heroes" That im sure everyone hates who will literally, Sit on Xini, And just make you travel over the other side of the room to get drops. Adding a nice 5-10 second channel would stop them abusing it as a press to win button, As well as making the ult feel physically more powerfull to the user via incorperation of animations and floating energy. Stuff.

Pros;

-Stops hallway heroes. (Woop)

-Power feels physically more powerfull

Cons;

-Doesnt directly "Nerf" her in anyway

-Extra animations could be trouble some to add in, Not likley to happen :/

 

- (Oh boy, This one will make people rage and its been suggested before) Make nova take damage from her own explosions.

Before you rage. This is a HELL of a powerfull ultimate and it should be like the orgis, High risk high reward, Which quite frankly, It isnt. Now im not saying her taking damage equal to the full, But jumping into a group of enemys and instakilling about 40 goons isnt fun in anyway possible, For her or the team. My suggestion for this is pretty much, Test what works, Make it so that she takes % reduced damage so she doesnt die instantly, And maybe a seperate range on the explosion from enemys, But it still needs to be there in some form.

Pros;

-Adds the Highrisk Highreward Feel to her

-Stops the whole "Press 4 to win" situation ( Sorta )

Cons;

-People WILL rage about the fact that she can die, But meh.

-Newb nova=Lots of reviveing

 

Last suggestion, Because im aware this is a huge wall of text as of now, Lol

-    Remove a debuff ( Or 2 ) from the primed enemy

Right now, Nova is pretty much damagewise "God teir" ( Yes i said god teir, DAMAGE wise, Not god tier utility wise :) ) With the fact that she can prime an entire room, And every enemy takes 2x damage is slowed by 50% and explodes dealing 1000 damage to non primed, But 2000 to primed targets, Which normally results in the entire room dissapearing in a puff of coloured smoke and a hint of lag. If shes meant to be a glass cannon, Why does she have a huge 50% slow in her arsenal? The 2x damage could be explained by the fact shes covering the enemy in highly reactive antimatter, But hell even thats not that justified.

Pros;

-Lore wise she fits in better with the sub-apparent Antimatter based frame

-Nerfs the ult, Without tweaking damage

Cons;

- Take a guess? ( Thats right, People will cry.)

-Might make her slightly less usefull. Slightly. . .

 

Wall of text Ftw.

 

TL:DR Nova needs a nerf. In some form of another, Just like the acrid, And the other OP stuff in the game.

Ninja edit: Geez i actually just realised this post is way to long. Oh well

Edited August 16, 2013 by Transvistinator

[Incursum]

I don't know why people feel so bummed about Molecular Prime when it's pretty much the same thing as Miasma when it comes to results, except the latter is much more effective at dealing damage at higher levels. Oh, no, I know why. You don't see Saryn around nearly as much.

 

Just give it time and her appearances in your missions will decrease. Specially once the necroframe comes out, because by then, that'll be the hot thing to play as.

[Transvistinator]

I don't know why people feel so bummed about Molecular Prime when it's pretty much the same thing as Miasma when it comes to results, except the latter is much more effective at dealing damage at higher levels. Oh, no, I know why. You don't see Saryn around nearly as much.

 

Just give it time and her appearances in your missions will decrease. Specially once the necroframe comes out, because by then, that'll be the hot thing to play as.

I agree to a certain degree, Novas outrules every other damaging frame in the game when it comes to killing X in the fastest time possible, Saryns ult does 1000 true damage in a small (15m?) radius, Novas does 2000 per enemy, Stacking a LOT in a 25m radius with additional debuffs as well.

Edited August 16, 2013 by Transvistinator

[Cpl_Facehugger]

Plus the name doesn't fit at all.

One of the main "natural" sources of antimatter in real life comes from supernovas.

Which are a mite different than normal novas, but calling her supernova would sound kind of silly, so...

I agree to a certain degree, Novas outrules every other damaging frame in the game when it comes to killing X in the fastest time possible, Saryns ult does 1000 true damage in a small (15m?) radius, Novas does 2000 per enemy, Stacking a LOT in a 25m radius with additional debuffs as well.

Miasma stuns for a couple of seconds and is actually worthwhile on enemies above level 80 though. :p

[Fundance]

So how come everybody complains about Nova using Mprime, but when Rhino does the exact same thing nobody cares?

 

Is it because Mprime has a pretty explosion or something?

[Rhorge]

So how come everybody complains about Nova using Mprime, but when Rhino does the exact same thing nobody cares?

 

Is it because Mprime has a pretty explosion or something?

Because Mprime has much larger range and damage.

[Cpl_Facehugger]

So how come everybody complains about Nova using Mprime, but when Rhino does the exact same thing nobody cares?

 

Is it because Mprime has a pretty explosion or something?

Probably because Rhino can't use it as much unless you have a strange build with maxed out flow and streamline and suchlike.

[DeathPope]

what level of maps are we talking about? level 20-30, shes fine late game.. in fact not having a nova late game, makes level 100 defense missions just that much harder, i find alot of people who post about nova being OP are in the level 30 zones

[Dirtyfouts]

what level of maps are we talking about? level 20-30, shes fine late game.. in fact not having a nova late game, makes level 100 defense missions just that much harder, i find alot of people who post about nova being OP are in the level 30 zones

 

what level of maps are we talking about? level 20-30, shes fine late game.. in fact not having a nova late game, makes level 100 defense missions just that much harder, i find alot of people who post about nova being OP are in the level 30 zones

 

Transvistinator stated as one example, Xini - Which as I'm sure you're aware is a lvl 50+ defense mission (usually getting up to around lvl 70 mobs).

Edited August 16, 2013 by Dirtyfouts

[Shamse]

Nova's designed is obviously inspired by Japanese mecha and cyborg anime, girls with skimpy body armor and heavily armored legs. 

 

 

 

 

Notice the similarity?

 

I don't wanna insult it knowing that DE put their hearts and souls into it's design, but honestly, her design just makes her look clueless, and considering the rest of the frames and their supposed personalities, that's kinda annoying.

 

As for her abilities, there is no doubt she is the most powerful frame. By FAR. I'm ok with abilities that happen regardless of the situation, but I've been fighting bosses who take more damage and are twice as slow because Molecular prime is basically the new Chaos. But lastly, she is the only frame asides from Vauban that can be taken into higher level missions, because they aren't out done by numbers. I don't want them to nerf Nova, I want them to buff the others, but we all know that DE is still a small staff that needs to pay its employees, so it's probably easier to just make better frames.

Edited August 16, 2013 by Lyelentu

[Halofreakalex]

what level of maps are we talking about? level 20-30, shes fine late game.. in fact not having a nova late game, makes level 100 defense missions just that much harder, i find alot of people who post about nova being OP are in the level 30 zones

Totally agree with you, it's almost impossible to play T3 defense without a Nova(it just takes too long). 

 

I think a lot of people also forget that MPrime is like a mini Sonar that makes end game content a lot easier. 

 

Last but not least, on lvl 30 enemies, every frame is OP, hell my Miter oneshots everything there. OMG Too OP nerf now.