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Titania's Exalted Weapons + Limbo: A Quick Workshop!


[DE]Rebecca

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everyone have their main frame as I main limbo and I love limbo because I like the play style of limbo.Why I should sacrifice my play style to solve the problem that don’t really effect other players?Oh,since limbo 2 is on,I can’t kill any enemies? What about your melee weapon? What about your warframe power? If you didn’t bring your melee I think you have your warframe. Is it too hard for you to stop using your guns for a while use your melee and warframe power? Or you are just too lazy to learn how to duel with limbo?

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On 2018-06-11 at 8:26 PM, ZyloWolfzan said:

Cutting Limbo's duration IN HALF is an ENORMOUS nerf that is entirely unnecessary. Being 'forced' to use Melee was never a downside because melee has been the STRONGEST WEAPON TYPE FOR YEARS NOW. This nerf is completely pointless. "Allowing" us to use guns isn't a valid excuse to cut this ability's duration IN HALF.

Agree! 

The main issue people seemed to have with Limbo was the inability to use primary and secondary weapons during stasis, that's already solved. 

Cutting stasis duration has no bearing on that weapon choice aspect.  All it does is make Stasis/Cataclysm more cumbersome for Limbo to use as you would now need to cast Stasis twice for each Cataclysm.  Granted mods affect this but my current build sits at around 60 seconds for both so that's a stasis recast every 30 seconds. Fine if they had decreased the energy cost of Stasis or slightly increased the energy gain while in the rift but as far as I know this is not the case.

I'm on console so this hasn't rolled out yet, but to be honest I prefer using melee weapons in the rift anyway and will probably continue to do so after the changes roll out for us, so I'll test when we get the next update.

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On 2018-06-20 at 7:43 PM, Dadaluma said:

Decreasing limbo's base cataclysm range would be a better nerf to discourage the 4 + 2 spamming. Otherwise limbo can still have a good 30 seconds of a map covering time stop

I get what you guys are saying but remember the point of using 4+2 together is that they're supposed to synergise.  The Stasis duration cut also affects synergy with Rift Surge so it's not just about cataclysm, just saying.

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On 2018-06-26 at 2:29 PM, (PS4)Kamranos said:

I do have a question regarding modding exalted weapons. Currently we cannot use the same mods on sentiel weapons as our own. Will we run into the same conflict with modding exalted weapons? 

No, melee/secondary/primary mods don't conflict on exalted weapons in the same way that companion mods don't conflict with khora's kavat. 

Sentinels still have the annoying conflict though and I'm pretty sure DE said they're not changing that

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vor 4 Stunden schrieb (PS4)big_eviljak:

The limbo change is only a nerf to trolls. Otherwise, its a huge buff. Ty DE!

An actively trolling limbo uses banish...implying people want to troll in the first instead of saving peoples butt or the objective,etc

stasis duration was fine as it was,the nerf only turns him into a forma sink to make him work as a defense frame and more tedius to use

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4 hours ago, Serenna187 said:

An actively trolling limbo uses banish...implying people want to troll in the first instead of saving peoples butt or the objective,etc

stasis duration was fine as it was,the nerf only turns him into a forma sink to make him work as a defense frame and more tedius to use

Agreed, it also doesn't deal with the issue of the "cataclysm bomb", which isn't a troll so much as it's just hella irritating, especially given that that was nerfed ages ago but some people still seem to think it works. 

Was in a squad the other day on Io and was the only one who bothered staying for 5 waves while the Limbo was just popping 4 on and off.  During that time we had 7 people join and then leave almost immediately.  No one even bothered saying anything in chat.  Think people used to feel the same way about Banshee's quake augment although that actually still did some damage.

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2 hours ago, (XB1)CynNex said:

Agreed, it also doesn't deal with the issue of the "cataclysm bomb", which isn't a troll so much as it's just hella irritating, especially given that that was nerfed ages ago but some people still seem to think it works. 

Was in a squad the other day on Io and was the only one who bothered staying for 5 waves while the Limbo was just popping 4 on and off.  During that time we had 7 people join and then leave almost immediately.  No one even bothered saying anything in chat.  Think people used to feel the same way about Banshee's quake augment although that actually still did some damage.

Anyone can troll with any frame. Loki is still the king of trolls if he wantd to be. Switch teleport makes me wanna vomit after the 3rd time... Dont even use it in my loki tbh.

Ive played with more good limbo players than i have bad. 

Same with loki and the rest. The random infrequent troll is the result of playin publics. If you dont want to risk being trolled... Don't play public matches.

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Honestly banshee Resonating Quacke was more a CC than a damage dealer after enemies scaled a bit... and by fixing her in place, left the stunned enemies at the tender mercies of her squadmates, reducing the damage boost from x4 to x2 would have been more than enough.

Limbo's stasys had had its duration nerfed due to the big quality of life change coming from the removal of allied and own ranged attacks being frozen, this means that now you don't have anymore to go and runt to the enemies to melee them to death as you can simply shot them from were you are, so the reduced duration shouldn't be much of a problem...

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6 hours ago, (PS4)big_eviljak said:

Anyone can troll with any frame. Loki is still the king of trolls if he wantd to be. Switch teleport makes me wanna vomit after the 3rd time... Dont even use it in my loki tbh.

Ive played with more good limbo players than i have bad. 

Same with loki and the rest. The random infrequent troll is the result of playin publics. If you dont want to risk being trolled... Don't play public matches.

True. In a small clan the so normally play either solo or in squad of two.  Don't mind playing pub though and to be honest the good players far outweigh the trolls like maybe 1 in 20 randoms trolls if that.  Often it's lower MR guys so it's not trolling they're just learning and most of the time they happy if you help them learn.  That's on XB, havent played on PC in ages.  Hopefully PS guys are cool too

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1 hour ago, (XB1)WolfGangKuro said:

welp, there goes the crowd control for limbo

 

 

What are you basing this on exactly? Limbo is far more useful now than he has ever been. Limbo players no longer have to pretend their abilities don't exist and can actually use both cataclysm and stasis without the whole team leaving or complaining

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11 hours ago, Nerdonis said:

What are you basing this on exactly? Limbo is far more useful now than he has ever been. Limbo players no longer have to pretend their abilities don't exist and can actually use both cataclysm and stasis without the whole team leaving or complaining

Now that I've been able to play with the changes on XB, I'd agree.  In terms of play-style very little has changed, you just need to keep an eye on stasis to recast, but it also promotes more active play for Limbo as you need to stay alert, which is a good thing.  The fact that you gain energy while in the rift means that recasting really isn't a big deal so I really don't feel that if has a negative impact at all.  That may just be me though.

Admittedly in Mob Def there are still a quite few Limbo players out there who forget to wait until AFTER you've inserted the module into the objective to drop cataclysm but really that is no big deal and it's not a Limbo thing but rather a player thing. 

In my experience these are often lower MR ranked guys who, like the rest of us had to, are learning to use their Warframe effectively and most of them have appreciated the help or advice when offered (assuming they're not just getting yelled at by the squad, which has never helped anybody).

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Le 11/06/2018 à 20:16, NightmareT12 a dit :

Why not make it so Limbo can still stop weapons for himself though? It's just I'll mis Solo full Za Warudo powers😞

Anyways, thanks for the heads up Rebb!

yeah, with an augment mod, it will be cool, and i kind of miss that all bullet are stop

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Something I automatically want to do with Limbo as well.
And particularly on the plains (And venus coming soon *wink* *nudge*)

Whenever those pesky bolkors come hovering over, I want to banish them so they can't harm my teammates.
Now, off course... banishing an entire bolkor is maybe OP
However, Limbo should have no problem with banishing it's turrets instead.

A simple banish and that troop transport won't mow down your allies who don't have an ability to shield themselves.
Arguably, I could just open cataclsym, and everyone's safe as well.
That is...
Everyone inside the bubble.

Someone who wanders outside...
Daddy frame to the rescue for another revive...

 

Anyway, all things in a nutshell;
Banishing objects not the size of a cruiser, should be just fine.
Banishing an escort drone is also a thing that would make people respect Limbo a bit more. (instead of going nuts the moment he just shows up.)

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My impression on Limbo's hate is that ofthen rift effects aren't immediately noticeable bejond "I can't do jack .... to that enemy" or "wth?! I can't pick up/interact/etc" that happens due to certain energy colors leave Limbo's power effects nearly unnoticeable, that and all the mayem going on usually atround armed tenno in enemy facilities...

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