KubrowTamer Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 (edited) Two of the biggest offenders are the eyes and mouths. The eyes are way to far apart. The distance in between your eyes should be the same length of the width of your eyes. The Mouth reaches the end of the eyes instead of towards the middle. The nose would be fine as the one thing that is correct is the nostrils should end where your eyes begin, however because the eyes are too far apart the nose gets messed up as well. The faces have the skeletal structure of a frogs face, not a human. In fact they actually follow the alignment of a frogs face almost exactly. Here is a diagram of correct facial proportions, one of thousands of accurate ones that can be pulled up from google images in seconds. Whoever modeled the faces needs to take a look at these and do a proper study and rework of the facial models in game. Tell me after looking at the ostron faces this frog dosnt look similar Edited June 23, 2018 by KubrowTamer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motorfirebox Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 (edited) Warframe's aesthetic includes a certain amount of stylization and caricaturization. Edited June 23, 2018 by motorfirebox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KubrowTamer Posted June 23, 2018 Author Share Posted June 23, 2018 1 minute ago, motorfirebox said: Warframe's aesthetic includes a certain amount of stylization and caricaturization. there is a difference between stylization and a bad understanding of proportions. Their faces wouldn't physically be capable of working. They width of their mouth would cause their lips to curve around their jaw when they stretched out their mouths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConzyFTW Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 How petty must you be to actually care about this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukinu_u Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 il y a 22 minutes, KubrowTamer a dit : there is a difference between stylization and a bad understanding of proportions. Their faces wouldn't physically be capable of working. They width of their mouth would cause their lips to curve around their jaw when they stretched out their mouths. You are playing a game where you are a space mutant kiddo that remote control some space robot ninja (made in your foundry with junk gathered from the galaxy) while sleeping in a magic chair powered by blue magic roots. Does this is phisically possible ? I'm not sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac10smg--Toa_of_Green Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarCommanderVong Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 They aren't human. Discussion ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsmount Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 This is okay with the NPC's of the game, but iN My oPiNiOn, the Tenno and Orokin should be the opposite and should be sculpted. Perfect specimens. The Grineer queens were orokin if I recall, but they're pretty mutated and twisted with corruption. Ballas is like this, he's fairly sculpted, but then from there has some kind of mutations of his own. I would enjoy an update that made operator faces more appropriately scaled and proportioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrodgrim Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 It can't be as bad as what Cryptic tries to pull off. Spoiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KubrowTamer Posted June 23, 2018 Author Share Posted June 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Darkfeather21 said: They aren't human. Discussion ended. except the ostrons are human, this has been stated multiple times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KubrowTamer Posted June 23, 2018 Author Share Posted June 23, 2018 2 hours ago, ConzyFTW said: How petty must you be to actually care about this... Yes, because posting an opinion and feedback on facial proportions of a model in the "Art, Animation, and UI Feedback" category on the forums is petty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapt0rman Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Phenotypes and standards of beauty are pretty much out the window that far in the future with interplanetary expansion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KubrowTamer Posted June 23, 2018 Author Share Posted June 23, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, lukinu_u said: You are playing a game where you are a space mutant kiddo that remote control some space robot ninja (made in your foundry with junk gathered from the galaxy) while sleeping in a magic chair powered by blue magic roots. Does this is phisically possible ? I'm not sure... Considering there is a video on LiveLeak of a guy trying to talk with the sides of his mouth sliced open after an accident, i am sad to report YES, this can physically happen. Edited June 23, 2018 by KubrowTamer misspelled a word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KubrowTamer Posted June 23, 2018 Author Share Posted June 23, 2018 Just now, rapt0rman said: Phenotypes and standards of beauty are pretty much out the window that far in the future with interplanetary expansion. I consider myself pretty ugly but i still like most all humans follow standard facial structure. Its not a matter of if he looks ugly or not, the complaint is that the facial proportions are off. Correct facial proportions dont determine if you are beautiful or not, they just determine if the face is a human face or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Look, there is nothing wrong with asking for better textures and facial proportions. It would be nice to have if it actually came. I don't get why so many people would see this as petty because it's one guy's opinion. I am not going to turn this into another "adult operator pls" thread though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapt0rman Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 OK for one thing, the weird comment about the liveleak video is not relevant or comparable to what he said in the slightest... now that that's out of the way... Proportions and features can change over generations, it's happened before and it'll continue to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KubrowTamer Posted June 23, 2018 Author Share Posted June 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Datam4ss said: Look, there is nothing wrong with asking for better textures and facial proportions. It would be nice to have if it actually came. I don't get why so many people would see this as petty because it's one guy's opinion. I am not going to turn this into another "adult operator pls" thread though. thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KubrowTamer Posted June 23, 2018 Author Share Posted June 23, 2018 1 minute ago, rapt0rman said: OK for one thing, the weird comment about the liveleak video is not relevant or comparable to what he said in the slightest... now that that's out of the way... Proportions and features can change over generations, it's happened before and it'll continue to happen. "Does this is physically possible ? I'm not sure..." he was asking about what i had said here: "They width of their mouth would cause their lips to curve around their jaw when they stretched out their mouths." My reference towards live leak was the fact that there are videos of that effect. There is also other information you can find online about the importance of the proportions towards the muscles of the mouth towards its bone structure. Hope that clears up what I meant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 1 minute ago, rapt0rman said: OK for one thing, the weird comment about the liveleak video is not relevant or comparable to what he said in the slightest... now that that's out of the way... Proportions and features can change over generations, it's happened before and it'll continue to happen. You don't understand what is "stabilising selection", do you? Proportions and features of the individual can change, yes, but overall there has been very little change to averages here and there. Because humans are programmed to gravitate towards these averages rather than deviate. Especially if proportional changes cause things that evolutionarily make zero sense, as what the OP posted about. We know DE can't be messing up due to inexperience as Dark Sector and The Darkness 2 shows they can do proper proportioning. So it just stinks of a rush job or perhaps too much emphasis on caricature. You know, like sticking an anime character into family guy. It's both cartoons, but the art dissonance is real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KubrowTamer Posted June 23, 2018 Author Share Posted June 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Datam4ss said: You don't understand what is "stabilising selection", do you? Proportions and features of the individual can change, yes, but overall there has been very little change to averages here and there. Because humans are programmed to gravitate towards these averages rather than deviate. Especially if proportional changes cause things that evolutionarily make zero sense, as what the OP posted about. We know DE can't be messing up due to inexperience as Dark Sector and The Darkness 2 shows they can do proper proportioning. So it just stinks of a rush job or perhaps too much emphasis on caricature. You know, like sticking an anime character into family guy. It's both cartoons, but the art dissonance is real. I just hope my original post didnt come off to hard or like dev bashing. The faces have seriously bugged me in this game for such a long time and with them becoming more and more shown and important iv been hoping they would get redone. Then the ostrons came along and im like "Wha................." They even have wrinkles in areas of their face where wrinkles like that wouldn't form, or other parts which are too exaggerated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarCommanderVong Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 49 minutes ago, KubrowTamer said: except the ostrons are human, this has been stated multiple times Fair. But consider this: They are descended from the Orokin, just like all life that is not Grineer. The Orokin are renowned for altering their physical bodies to appearances that are completely unnatural. Just look at Ballas. Also consider this: artistic license. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KubrowTamer Posted June 23, 2018 Author Share Posted June 23, 2018 17 minutes ago, Darkfeather21 said: Fair. But consider this: They are descended from the Orokin, just like all life that is not Grineer. The Orokin are renowned for altering their physical bodies to appearances that are completely unnatural. Just look at Ballas. Also consider this: artistic license. Ballas has correct facial proportions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarCommanderVong Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 1 minute ago, KubrowTamer said: Ballas has correct facial proportions Hardly. But I was referring more to his arm and skin as a point of reference to the whole "altering physical bodies" part of my statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)TheIrishLizard Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 When I came to this game the look of the frames is what drew me in the most. I thought finally an artistic game that thinks out of the box design wise. I mean after all that is what art is all about. Not functionality but fantasy. Just my opinion though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 TBH, I am not trying to Dev Bash here, but knowing DE could do a proper job and didn't for some reason is one of those "feels bad man" moments. It just makes the whole affair feel sloppy. Like the textures on the Octavia Verismo Syandana compared to the rest of the game. It just feels bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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