RickyZen Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 so yesterday, i am kinda bored to play any games i have in my PC and then i decided to surf around youtube and i somehow came across a video of PC Gamer Show live so i watched it as a video and pops into my mind that Warframe is taking part of this live show so i skip the video to the point where the Host start talking about Warframe, and then unexpectedly on the chat history, i saw those Warframe fans start pouring some Clem and SKOOM jokes to the chat but within it comes to the toxic that hurts my eyes more than a sand dust, lots of chats saying Warframe is a sh*t game, trash game, and more.. gave me that feeling of anger and hate but what can i say? its a common words outside Warframe community . then i start to think "am i lucky to be part of Warframe Community?" and then the answer is.. yes i am, being a part of Warframe Community teach me how to become a player that never going "Rogue and Trash-Talking", i've learned that toxicity ruins the game within and so im lucky to not become part of those toxic players who believes spending money makes them better gamer. seeing Warframe getting bigger and growing up, once i wonder "is there gonna be a day where Warframe will beat bigger games like today's PS4 games?" because if it's true, then will Warframe keep its own pace as True Free-to-Play game or will it changed completely? a question that time will answer itself. so the end of this post, i just want to say that toxicity is not gonna get you respect from others, keep yourself cool and good and stay away from toxicity, its not gonna make the game better, its the ingredient to make a game goes downhill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artemisfortune Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 (edited) No one wants respect dude. Those people are upset that DE has let them down. They've let me down. They've let anyone who plays for the long term down. They cater their updates for people who won't play the game very long, because as you play longer and longer you start to notice the cracks, and Warframe has a lot of cracks in the shell. To give you a summarized list, here are some things DE hasn't done well: They removed Trials instead of fixing them despite members of the community diligently pointing out the bugs. They haven't even addressed the awful moderation since the initial bump and claim to be "collecting feedback." It's been a month of collecting feedback and we have nothing. They focus more on pumping out "new" content instead of fixing what exists, that's why you have host migration problems in Onslaught and buggy as hell Eidolons. Their "new" content is usually just rehashing something that already exists with only a few rare occurrences like Chains of Harrow or TWW where they put out something actually competent, and even those quests had glaring flaws. They still haven't even hinted at some kind of end game content for us old players, and the game is five years old. How they haven't come up with some semblance of end game for us to play in five years is baffling. The only thing DE has going for them is their stellar monetization system. It really is free 2 play, but right now it's far from worth putting more than 10-12 hours into it. I'd even go as far as to say you can experience the bulk of the content in 2 weeks. People have a right to their opinions. Edited June 26, 2018 by Pent_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyZen Posted June 26, 2018 Author Share Posted June 26, 2018 well the Trials one is understandable, DE is trying to get trials accessible to new and old players + optimization to make it more interesting and "fluid", for the buggy PoE and Onlausght Migration.. that is on Client side problem, my friend got 60 FPS smooth gameplay on PoE with his PC (2013, AMD A8, 2GB VGA and 8GB RAM) and smooth Onslaught with no host migration (once, because the host is leaving out) for the fix and the rest, they are still working on it but it tooks time much more, who wants to play buggy content anyway so just wait for it and you'll got it. this is just the same case of an MMORPG i've played long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DatDarkOne Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Pent_ said: They've let anyone who plays for the long term down. They cater their updates for people who won't play the game very long, And what game doesn't do this on some level. Outside of a very very few games, how many do players play for a year or longer? Of those games that are played that long, how many of them are completely free. One can't just give unfair judgement while ignoring everything else. edit: This is not to say that your opinion is wrong. As it's your opinion and I will respect it. I'm just saying to try not to give one game an analysis and not applying the same to other games as well. Edited June 26, 2018 by DatDarkOne clarity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyZen Posted June 26, 2018 Author Share Posted June 26, 2018 1 minute ago, DatDarkOne said: And what game doesn't do this on some level. Outside of a very very few games, how many do players play for a year or longer? Of those games that are played that long, how many of them are completely free. One can't just give unfair judgement while ignoring everything else. True, im one of those players who experience this same case, although im kind of ignorant-positive side so i always enjoy the game even the flaw of the game itself is kinda breaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artemisfortune Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 1 minute ago, RickyZen said: well the Trials one is understandable, DE is trying to get trials accessible to new and old players + optimization to make it more interesting and "fluid", for the buggy PoE and Onlausght Migration.. that is on Client side problem, my friend got 60 FPS smooth gameplay on PoE with his PC (2013, AMD A8, 2GB VGA and 8GB RAM) and smooth Onslaught with no host migration (once, because the host is leaving out) for the fix and the rest, they are still working on it but it tooks time much more, who wants to play buggy content anyway so just wait for it and you'll got it. this is just the same case of an MMORPG i've played long time ago. You missed my point on Onslaught and PoE. I'm talking about losing rewards because someone leaves the game. Also, you're right, no one wants to play buggy content, but DE pumps out buggy content often. 1 minute ago, DatDarkOne said: And what game doesn't do this on some level. Outside of a very very few games, how many do players play for a year or longer? Of those games that are played that long, how many of them are completely free. One can't just give unfair judgement while ignoring everything else. Lets put away some notions here. Warframe is not completely free, if it was, it would have been shut down. They do some pretty clever marketing to make their money and while you can grind just about everything with enough time, that Platinum comes from somewhere. There are plenty of games people play for a year or longer, even single player games. Hell, I still play DMC4 just about daily. I still play BDO occasionally and that only cost 10 dollars at most. Path of Exile is even more free than Warframe, and has tons of players and people praise the hell out of that game because they do a good job. Warframe slaps some stuff together. So I'll say again, Warframe's biggest draw is how well the monetize the game, and they do monetize it well, but it doesn't free it from criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rune_me Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 30 minutes ago, RickyZen said: so yesterday, i am kinda bored to play any games i have in my PC and then i decided to surf around youtube and i somehow came across a video of PC Gamer Show live so i watched it as a video and pops into my mind that Warframe is taking part of this live show so i skip the video to the point where the Host start talking about Warframe, and then unexpectedly on the chat history, i saw those Warframe fans start pouring some Clem and SKOOM jokes to the chat but within it comes to the toxic that hurts my eyes more than a sand dust, lots of chats saying Warframe is a sh*t game, trash game, and more.. gave me that feeling of anger and hate but what can i say? its a common words outside Warframe community . then i start to think "am i lucky to be part of Warframe Community?" and then the answer is.. yes i am, being a part of Warframe Community teach me how to become a player that never going "Rogue and Trash-Talking", i've learned that toxicity ruins the game within and so im lucky to not become part of those toxic players who believes spending money makes them better gamer. seeing Warframe getting bigger and growing up, once i wonder "is there gonna be a day where Warframe will beat bigger games like today's PS4 games?" because if it's true, then will Warframe keep its own pace as True Free-to-Play game or will it changed completely? a question that time will answer itself. so the end of this post, i just want to say that toxicity is not gonna get you respect from others, keep yourself cool and good and stay away from toxicity, its not gonna make the game better, its the ingredient to make a game goes downhill. Meh, all games has haters. Just try to make a thread here on how good you think Destiny is, and you'll quickly see that there's plenty of toxicity in this community towards other games as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyZen Posted June 26, 2018 Author Share Posted June 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Pent_ said: You missed my point on Onslaught and PoE. I'm talking about losing rewards because someone leaves the game. Also, you're right, no one wants to play buggy content, but DE pumps out buggy content often. you forgot the hotfixes? bunch of bug fix? the losing rewards is already fixed if i remember in one of those hotfix.. but if its still occuring, why not report it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyZen Posted June 26, 2018 Author Share Posted June 26, 2018 1 minute ago, rune_me said: Meh, all games has haters. Just try to make a thread here on how good you think Destiny is, and you'll quickly see that there's plenty of toxicity in this community towards other games as well. once i've done that with my 2nd account, reminded again.. 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DatDarkOne Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, Pent_ said: So I'll say again, Warframe's biggest draw is how well the monetize the game, and they do monetize it well, but it doesn't free it from criticism. I did edit my post. With that said, now apply those very same criteria to those games you mentioned. Also consider which you put the most time in. As well as cost and entertainment/enjoyment. As for buggy games, there have been quite a few the last few years that have had game breaking bugs while charging full price. Just saying. Be equal in the critiques. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firetempest Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Some people just get jaded and bitter no matter the outcome over time. Add the death of a mode that was a money farm and that sends some people over the edge. DE has gotten bigger since WFs launch. but not really on the WF side. They are trying to branch out to new games but Keystone was going to be a horrible flop and luckily they put the bullet in it quickly. So its still most of the same people working on the same things from 5 years ago when 20k players on PC was the norm to now 100k on pc plus two consoles. People expect more even though the team for WF has marginally increased. And everything they have tried beyond the normal mode has not seen the best praise when it finally reaches the players hands even though there was too much hype about it initially. Arching, lunaro, focus. rivens. Though some get a pass like focus and rives because they make normal farming easier, their progress mechanics individually however are complained about to no end. Having a problem with WF is usually having a problem with its whole development. If you cant live with them just spitballing new things and DExtreme content makeovers you will just get mad over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)thowed Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Been playing since release on PS4 and I still love it. Might not be perfect but it's fun and does alot right compared to AAA releases. Some people like things, some dont and some grow tired of things. It just happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learicorn Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Pent_ said: No one wants respect dude. Those people are upset that DE has let them down. They've let me down. They've let anyone who plays for the long term down. They cater their updates for people who won't play the game very long, because as you play longer and longer you start to notice the cracks, and Warframe has a lot of cracks in the shell. To give you a summarized list, here are some things DE hasn't done well: They removed Trials instead of fixing them despite members of the community diligently pointing out the bugs. They haven't even addressed the awful moderation since the initial bump and claim to be "collecting feedback." It's been a month of collecting feedback and we have nothing. They focus more on pumping out "new" content instead of fixing what exists, that's why you have host migration problems in Onslaught and buggy as hell Eidolons. Their "new" content is usually just rehashing something that already exists with only a few rare occurrences like Chains of Harrow or TWW where they put out something actually competent, and even those quests had glaring flaws. They still haven't even hinted at some kind of end game content for us old players, and the game is five years old. How they haven't come up with some semblance of end game for us to play in five years is baffling. The only thing DE has going for them is their stellar monetization system. It really is free 2 play, but right now it's far from worth putting more than 10-12 hours into it. I'd even go as far as to say you can experience the bulk of the content in 2 weeks. People have a right to their opinions. The game is pretty great at first but then you start seeing the same game breaking bugs over and over and over again and it just gets tiring man, i wonder if they're ever going to fix them. Im happy there's other people that see the flaws in this game as well, there seems to be a huge lack of priorities in this community Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalonBlue Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Pent_ said: No one wants respect dude. Those people are upset that DE has let them down. They've let me down. They've let anyone who plays for the long term down. They cater their updates for people who won't play the game very long, because as you play longer and longer you start to notice the cracks, and Warframe has a lot of cracks in the shell. To give you a summarized list, here are some things DE hasn't done well: They removed Trials instead of fixing them despite members of the community diligently pointing out the bugs. They haven't even addressed the awful moderation since the initial bump and claim to be "collecting feedback." It's been a month of collecting feedback and we have nothing. They focus more on pumping out "new" content instead of fixing what exists, that's why you have host migration problems in Onslaught and buggy as hell Eidolons. Their "new" content is usually just rehashing something that already exists with only a few rare occurrences like Chains of Harrow or TWW where they put out something actually competent, and even those quests had glaring flaws. They still haven't even hinted at some kind of end game content for us old players, and the game is five years old. How they haven't come up with some semblance of end game for us to play in five years is baffling. The only thing DE has going for them is their stellar monetization system. It really is free 2 play, but right now it's far from worth putting more than 10-12 hours into it. I'd even go as far as to say you can experience the bulk of the content in 2 weeks. People have a right to their opinions. This. And you can add reclaiming platinum from people from who honestly may not have known any better without any recourse is a $&*^ move. It basically discourages people from trading. This game STILL has a long way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LupisV0lk Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Pent_ said: They removed Trials instead of fixing them despite members of the community diligently pointing out the bugs. They haven't even addressed the awful moderation since the initial bump and claim to be "collecting feedback." It's been a month of collecting feedback and we have nothing. They focus more on pumping out "new" content instead of fixing what exists, that's why you have host migration problems in Onslaught and buggy as hell Eidolons. Their "new" content is usually just rehashing something that already exists with only a few rare occurrences like Chains of Harrow or TWW where they put out something actually competent, and even those quests had glaring flaws. They still haven't even hinted at some kind of end game content for us old players, and the game is five years old. How they haven't come up with some semblance of end game for us to play in five years is baffling. 1. It was the best course of action. The trails used gameplay mechanics that so few missions used that new people would be confused, let alone how toxic and self serving the community was. Raid bus was a symptom not a cure. 2. Simple, don't be a edgelord. But that seems to be lost on adults, children and man-children alike. 3. DE: "focus on fixes bug" Community: "Reeee wheres our content DE REEEEEEEE" 4. it's cheaper and easier so what? 5. They given us plenty of end game, it's just that old players cheese the ever loving #*!% out of everything and then screech when DE comes along to balance their S#&$ so end game becomes a challenge. In the end it's us the community who's put DE in a constant state of "Dammed if they do and dammed if they don't" Edited June 26, 2018 by LupisV0lk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OniDax Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Pent_ said: No one wants respect dude. Those people are upset that DE has let them down. They've let me down. They've let anyone who plays for the long term down. They cater their updates for people who won't play the game very long, because as you play longer and longer you start to notice the cracks, and Warframe has a lot of cracks in the shell. To give you a summarized list, here are some things DE hasn't done well: They removed Trials instead of fixing them despite members of the community diligently pointing out the bugs. They haven't even addressed the awful moderation since the initial bump and claim to be "collecting feedback." It's been a month of collecting feedback and we have nothing. They focus more on pumping out "new" content instead of fixing what exists, that's why you have host migration problems in Onslaught and buggy as hell Eidolons. Their "new" content is usually just rehashing something that already exists with only a few rare occurrences like Chains of Harrow or TWW where they put out something actually competent, and even those quests had glaring flaws. They still haven't even hinted at some kind of end game content for us old players, and the game is five years old. How they haven't come up with some semblance of end game for us to play in five years is baffling. The only thing DE has going for them is their stellar monetization system. It really is free 2 play, but right now it's far from worth putting more than 10-12 hours into it. I'd even go as far as to say you can experience the bulk of the content in 2 weeks. People have a right to their opinions. The game has been incomplete for five years. It's another Early Access title like DayZ (the most notorious Early Access game), just one that has actually been successful. DE has never tried to make this game more of a complete product. No end-game, a lot of content that has been forgotten, a lot of lore that has been ignored and contradicted over the years, no unifying structure to the game's progression that integrates various features of the game, subpar features and content (compared to the industry) in terms of quality and gameplay mechanics (like terrible animation work, low-quality textures for older content, inconsistent quality among various items and environments in the game, etc), incomplete features that have been introduced and quickly forgotten or left in an incomplete state (most recently, the moral choice system which is completely useless), gameplay that is designed around grind and not around player experience, and all the bugs. This game is like a glorified mod project that has been built upon and changed because the modders get bored of what they're currently working on and shift to something new. It's why the game is a mess. DE creates content, gets bored of it, and starts working on something new, leaving previous content in an unfinished state. The excuse that DE gives for this frankly unprofessional behavior is that it keeps the game fresh, and players will often use the game's beta state as an excuse for the way DE handles the game. Those of us who have pushed for more from DE have been largely ignored. And the reason things have continued to go on the way they are (including the controversy with moderation) is because DE tends to insulate themselves by listening to the players who constantly praise and worship them (celebrity worship, not religious worship). When they're criticized, they tend to get defensive. They tend to ignore controversy until it blows up in their face (Founders-Non-Founders conflict on the forums a couple years ago, Excal Umbra's reveal which was kept secret and mired in controversy for a while before DE addressed it, Universal Vacuum, Hema, Drop Table transparency and datamining, Moderation issues, etc). When design decisions are challenged, the devs get angry and aggressive, leading to blocking/muting players and angry outbursts which they later have to apologize for (luckily only one situation like this so far). All of this leads to a Warframe that, for all its cinematic quests, is rather stagnant in terms of development. Warframe has the potential to be better than AAA games, but that requires a change in how DE approaches the game. Landscapes were a potential way for them to start doing that, with a focus on immersive gameplay experiences and rich in-game that integrated existing and new features of the game. Instead, we got more focus on grind and a continued insistence on designing the game for short, RNG-based, grind-heavy gameplay sessions (the most recent examples of which are Plains of Eidolon, Sanctuary Onslaught, ESO, and the upcoming Venus landscape). As long as DE keeps their same development focus, the game will never improve and we'll see more of the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arniox Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Pent_ said: No one wants respect dude. Those people are upset that DE has let them down. They've let me down. They've let anyone who plays for the long term down. They cater their updates for people who won't play the game very long, because as you play longer and longer you start to notice the cracks, and Warframe has a lot of cracks in the shell. To give you a summarized list, here are some things DE hasn't done well: They removed Trials instead of fixing them despite members of the community diligently pointing out the bugs. They haven't even addressed the awful moderation since the initial bump and claim to be "collecting feedback." It's been a month of collecting feedback and we have nothing. They focus more on pumping out "new" content instead of fixing what exists, that's why you have host migration problems in Onslaught and buggy as hell Eidolons. Their "new" content is usually just rehashing something that already exists with only a few rare occurrences like Chains of Harrow or TWW where they put out something actually competent, and even those quests had glaring flaws. They still haven't even hinted at some kind of end game content for us old players, and the game is five years old. How they haven't come up with some semblance of end game for us to play in five years is baffling. The only thing DE has going for them is their stellar monetization system. It really is free 2 play, but right now it's far from worth putting more than 10-12 hours into it. I'd even go as far as to say you can experience the bulk of the content in 2 weeks. People have a right to their opinions. I've played over 3000 hours now, since early 2015, and 2014 on an older account. And I still love it. Granted, I take a lot of breaks, but I still love the game for what it is, and every time I come back I enjoy myself. I'm still hyped for the new stuff coming. Am I really the one amongst many of old vets that still enjoy the game? - I never cared for raids - I don't care about the moderation since I don't really use ingame communications. Just stick to discord, I enjoy new content - I'm always excited for new content and I don't really care that older contents a little buggy. I personally hardly come across bugs and almost every time I play, the games seems smooth and fine - there's plenty of hints for end game: Tau and future open worlds for end game planets are just two emaples and sure there really isn't much to do as a vet, but I still enjoy all the new stuff. I don't understand the sudden hate wave that's passed through this game. They just put out one of the most amazing quests ever with so many lore drops and tennocon is super soon. Where's the hype? Why the hate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arniox Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 20 minutes ago, LupisV0lk said: 1. It was the best course of action. The trails used gameplay mechanics that so few missions used that new people would be confused, let alone how toxic and self serving the community was. Raid bus was a symptom not a cure. 2. Simple, don't be a edgelord. But that seems to be lost on adults, children and man-children alike. 3. DE: "focus on fixes bug" Community: "Reeee wheres our content DE REEEEEEEE" 4. it's cheaper and easier so what? 5. They given us plenty of end game, it's just that old players cheese the ever loving #*!% out of everything and then screech when DE comes along to balance their S#&$ so end game becomes a challenge. In the end it's us the community who's put DE in a constant state of "Dammed if they do and dammed if they don't" Very well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OniDax Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 14 minutes ago, Arniox said: I've played over 3000 hours now, since early 2015, and 2014 on an older account. And I still love it. Granted, I take a lot of breaks, but I still love the game for what it is, and every time I come back I enjoy myself. I'm still hyped for the new stuff coming. Am I really the one amongst many of old vets that still enjoy the game? - I never cared for raids - I don't care about the moderation since I don't really use ingame communications. Just stick to discord, I enjoy new content - I'm always excited for new content and I don't really care that older contents a little buggy. I personally hardly come across bugs and almost every time I play, the games seems smooth and fine - there's plenty of hints for end game: Tau and future open worlds for end game planets are just two emaples and sure there really isn't much to do as a vet, but I still enjoy all the new stuff. I don't understand the sudden hate wave that's passed through this game. They just put out one of the most amazing quests ever with so many lore drops and tennocon is super soon. Where's the hype? Why the hate? I still enjoy the game, even though I have a lot of problems with it. The main things that I enjoy, though, are the customization ("fashionframe") and the melee gameplay, and occasionally a new weapon. That's it though. The recent quest was well done, and I like some of the characters, but I think DE's squandered the game's potential with their focus on grind-heavy gameplay, lackluster features and gameplay mechanics, and a story that is very limited in scope. I'm not hyped for Tennocon because there's nothing that they've been working on (besides Excal Umbra) that I've been interested in. I don't care about Venus, because it'll be another PoE (which, imo, is one of the worst open world experiences I've ever had in gaming). I'm not interested in clan ships if they ever come out with that, because that's not the kind of large-scale space-based gameplay I'm interested in (I prefer OG Battlefront 2's space gameplay). I don't care for the Kingpin system, because it's probably not tied to landscapes and will most certainly not be anywhere near what Shadow of Mordor's system was (what Kingpin is based on). I don't care much for Tau if they reveal that because I'm not really a big fan of the Sentients right now (floating enemies and giant monsters that require the still clunky and very grindy Operator system). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artemisfortune Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Arniox said: Very well said How exactly was it well said? @LupisV0lk 1. What was stopping them from reforming it for the years they were available to fit mechanics they wanted? Instead of even attempting to fix it or alter it they canned it. What's the next bit of gameplay they'll can without trying to fix it? They've already shown they aren't afraid to do it. 2. Also don't ask if anyone else is from Niger, don't accidentally link @[Twin Krohkur] in the chat, don't trade platinum with anyone because there is always the possibility that they'll charge it back and you'll get banned, not them. 3. DE has never done any kind of patch that was focused on bug fixing first, and the community has been asking for them to touch on the older content to make it relevant. 4. It's lazier and easier. DE has a lot of sources of revenue, if they were hanging on by a limb maybe I could see this point, but they aren't. They hold their own damn convention for christ's sake. 5. No they haven't, and even if that had any semblance of truth, then they should realize that the utter lack of any real balance is part of what makes this game so bad. Your hyperbolic statements through your entire post, as well as the insults which you can't ever seem to help yourself from throwing around just detract from any points you are making. Edited June 26, 2018 by Pent_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatantfool Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 3 hours ago, Pent_ said: No one wants respect dude. Those people are upset that DE has let them down. They've let me down. They've let anyone who plays for the long term down. They cater their updates for people who won't play the game very long, because as you play longer and longer you start to notice the cracks, and Warframe has a lot of cracks in the shell. To give you a summarized list, here are some things DE hasn't done well: They removed Trials instead of fixing them despite members of the community diligently pointing out the bugs. They haven't even addressed the awful moderation since the initial bump and claim to be "collecting feedback." It's been a month of collecting feedback and we have nothing. They focus more on pumping out "new" content instead of fixing what exists, that's why you have host migration problems in Onslaught and buggy as hell Eidolons. Their "new" content is usually just rehashing something that already exists with only a few rare occurrences like Chains of Harrow or TWW where they put out something actually competent, and even those quests had glaring flaws. They still haven't even hinted at some kind of end game content for us old players, and the game is five years old. How they haven't come up with some semblance of end game for us to play in five years is baffling. The only thing DE has going for them is their stellar monetization system. It really is free 2 play, but right now it's far from worth putting more than 10-12 hours into it. I'd even go as far as to say you can experience the bulk of the content in 2 weeks. People have a right to their opinions. This is a pretty good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LupisV0lk Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, Pent_ said: Your hyperbolic statements through your entire post, as well as the insults which you can't ever seem to help yourself from throwing around just proves the points I've made in other threads that you seem to infect. Okay, so because i don't conform to your agenda/narrative i'm the big bad. mate, seriously seek help if that's the case at best or get off of a public forum at worse because you will encounter differing opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artemisfortune Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Just now, LupisV0lk said: Okay, so because i don't conform to your agenda/narrative i'm the big bad. mate, seriously seek help if that's the case at best or get off of a public forum at worse because you will encounter differing opinions. It's not your opinion that bothers me, it's how you present it. It isn't constructive and detracts from your points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LupisV0lk Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Pent_ said: It's not your opinion that bothers me, it's how you present it. It isn't constructive and detracts from your points. Oh so i take it i have to sugar coat the truth then, cute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artemisfortune Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Just now, LupisV0lk said: Oh so i take it i have to sugar coat the truth then, cute. You have a very palpable air of superiority in every post you make. You can't seem to help yourself from trying to put anyone who disagrees with you down. I mean I have evidence right here in the post I'm quoting in that you think you're speaking the "truth" when a lot of this is admittedly subjective, and that you have to end it with some kind of sarcastic last laugh that you probably think makes you sound witty, but really just makes you annoying to talk to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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