Fenrirous Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) So my friend and I have been seeing people saying how nova is "OP" and how she needs to be "toned down" and all this other stuff all because of her ultimate. We tried out other damage warframes to see how much damage they can put out with their abilities and when we were messing around with saryn we realized she has way higher damage potential than nova every could, possibly higher than what any other damage warframe could. It is all focused around 1 move she has, venom. Of course this is where people will start to moan and groan and say "venom is a useless spell" well I am going to tell you that is 100% false. My friend and i realized that a weapon with puncture makes venom the single best warframe move for killing pretty much ANYTHING. It is also possible to stack multiple venom on 1 target and have them all spread as well, and the result.... well everything just dies. We found that the flux rifle with a puncture mod or any big spread weapon with puncture, is best for bursting the venom orbs for max damage. Here is a video to prove what I am saying, in this video my friend and I 2 man pluto palus (a vauban joined early on but left a couple waves later), he was on saryn and I was on nyx. sry for the bad quality, idk how to make it higher, used obs to record it. Also sry for the background noise, its my tv and family talking and stuff. Please people before commenting, WATCH THE VIDEO, people seem to not understand how fast venom actually kills, and it indeed kills faster and is more reliable to kill higher level mobs, in the video they were up to 130+. Please note this is all from VENOM not MIASMA! Edited August 22, 2013 by Fenrirous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W4RM4CHIN3 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 The difference is Nova is more time efficient All you have to do is press 4.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenrirous Posted August 22, 2013 Author Share Posted August 22, 2013 With saryn all you do is press 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neKroMancer Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Venom requires more player interaction than Nova. You actually have to shoot a randomly generated spore sac to activate the skill damage potential. It also require a lot of enemies within the spores' range when it rupture. If you use it against lone target, it doesn't do much damage. Just sufficient to kill an elite after a few well-placed shot. TBH, it shines in defense when player use it in Moult/Venom combo + fast firing weapon with shred. Nova, on the other hand, require almost nothing to setup the stage and she will blow everything before Saryn even manage to burst the first sac. Therefore, Nova. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKhaun Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) Sorry, but you're just another person on the forums who's fallen into the trap of thinking Nova is about her explosions. When nova does her ult, everything affected takes +50% damage and is slowed by 50%. That's what's OP. Every warframe is OP in mid-low level missions and low defense wave counts if you stick Focus on them. Yes, Saryn does especially good damage, but you eventually go past the point where any warframe's direct damage skills will kill anything in one shot and the game shifts to being all about your guns, damage buffs, and control. Nova's 4 is a damage buff + control that hits a massive area, lasts 60seconds without needing any duration mods, and doesn't have any limitations like being unable recast before it's worn off. The explosions are gravy. Very, very good gravy... Edited August 22, 2013 by VKhaun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardMarlus Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 So my friend and I have been seeing people saying how nova is "OP" and how she needs to be "toned down" and all this other stuff all because of her ultimate. We tried out other damage warframes to see how much damage they can put out with their abilities and when we were messing around with saryn we realized she has way higher damage potential than nova every could, possibly higher than what any other damage warframe could. It is all focused around 1 move she has, venom. Of course this is where people will start to moan and groan and say "venom is a useless spell" well I am going to tell you that is 100% false. My friend and i realized that a weapon with puncture makes venom the single best warframe move for killing pretty much ANYTHING. It is also possible to stack multiple venom on 1 target and have them all spread as well, and the result.... well everything just dies. We found that the flux rifle with a puncture mod or any big spread weapon with puncture, is best for bursting the venom orbs for max damage. Here is a video to prove what I am saying, in this video my friend and I 2 man pluto palus (a vauban joined early on but left a couple waves later), he was on saryn and I was on nyx. sry for the bad quality, idk how to make it higher, used obs to record it. Also sry for the background noise, its my tv and family talking and stuff. Well... This is certainly not how I planned to debut the forums in full force, entering the Nova debate and all, but essentially yes, Saryn is on par with Nova, and for that matter there's another spell in Saryn's kit that puts her on par with Nova... Miasma. It may not reach as far as Molecular Prime but isn't a blow a trash mob up kind of spell as much as it is an instant nuke, and for that matter it also DoT's, and since enemies have no resistance to poison it makes for big damage as opposed to Nova's explosion elementals. For all we know enemies might even develop resistances to the Explosion element, making Nova's otherwise big nukes invalid in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanityRobot Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) Sorry, but you're just another person on the forums who's fallen into the trap of thinking Nova is about her explosions. When nova does her ult, everything affected takes +50% damage and is slowed by 50%. That's what's OP. Every warframe is OP in mid-low level missions and low defense wave counts if you stick Focus on them. Yes, Saryn does especially good damage, but you eventually go past the point where any warframe's direct damage skills will kill anything in one shot and the game shifts to being all about your guns, damage buffs, and control. Nova's 4 is a damage buff + control that hits a massive area, lasts 60seconds without needing any duration mods, and doesn't have any limitations like being unable recast before it's worn off. The explosions are gravy. Very, very good gravy... Saryn's damage scales exponentially, indefinitely. The more enemies alive and the longer they are alive, the more damage Saryn does. And it ignores armor. Edited August 22, 2013 by SanityRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardMarlus Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Sorry, but you're just another person on the forums who's fallen into the trap of thinking Nova is about her explosions. When nova does her ult, everything affected takes +50% damage and is slowed by 50%. That's what's OP. Every warframe is OP in mid-low level missions and low defense wave counts if you stick Focus on them. Yes, Saryn does especially good damage, but you eventually go past the point where any warframe's direct damage skills will kill anything in one shot and the game shifts to being all about your guns, damage buffs, and control. Nova's 4 is a damage buff + control that hits a massive area, lasts 60seconds without needing any duration mods, and doesn't have any limitations like being unable recast before it's worn off. The explosions are gravy. Very, very good gravy... Everyone has their own opinions about what makes Nova overpowered to be honest, but the concept of damage amps on her antimatter drops and molecular priming is... interesting to say the very least... But Miasma has good crowd control on it too, even if it is only a few seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardMarlus Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Saryn's damage scales exponentially, indefinitely. The more enemies alive and the longer they are alive, the more damage Saryn does. And it ignores armor. ^This, most certainly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanityRobot Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Also, protip, Miasma isn't where Saryn does most of her damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKhaun Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) Saryn's damage scales exponentially, indefinitely. The more enemies alive and the longer they are alive, the more damage Saryn does. And it ignores armor. How do you mean scales exponentially? It's a static amount of damage per tic and Focus doesn't even work on it. Not arguing. If Saryn is really that awesome I'd love to know, but I don't see how a DoT that scales with nothing can be called 'exponentially indefinitely' damaging. Edited August 22, 2013 by VKhaun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardMarlus Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Also, protip, Miasma isn't where Saryn does most of her damage. Lol, I've seen clanmates use the 1 ability often. I'm somewhat a little surprised, I would have thought Miasma was the only trick she had, even though that poison elemental is very handy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanityRobot Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) How do you mean scales exponentially? More enemies > more balls More balls -> more balls More balls -> more balls Spray a clip of Afuris into a tight pack of high level Ancients covered in Venom balls. Report your findings. It's a static amount of damage per tic and Focus doesn't even work on it. What? Edited August 22, 2013 by SanityRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenrirous Posted August 22, 2013 Author Share Posted August 22, 2013 Sorry, but you're just another person on the forums who's fallen into the trap of thinking Nova is about her explosions. When nova does her ult, everything affected takes +50% damage and is slowed by 50%. That's what's OP. Every warframe is OP in mid-low level missions and low defense wave counts if you stick Focus on them. Yes, Saryn does especially good damage, but you eventually go past the point where any warframe's direct damage skills will kill anything in one shot and the game shifts to being all about your guns, damage buffs, and control. Nova's 4 is a damage buff + control that hits a massive area, lasts 60seconds without needing any duration mods, and doesn't have any limitations like being unable recast before it's worn off. The explosions are gravy. Very, very good gravy... im not sure if you saw the video linked but that is not considered "low lvl defense", and saryn's venom will kill stuff faster than you can kill mprimed mobs, and if you combine venom and mprime they just die even faster, its one of those things you have to see/do for yourself, rather than flat out say nova's mprime is better. In the video near the end they were lvl 130+ and dieing just as fast as lvl 60s, we couldn't go higher because toxic ancients were dieing on the pod, but im 100% sure if we went higher they would of been dieing faster than if they were all primed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardMarlus Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 How do you mean scales exponentially? It's a static amount of damage per tic and Focus doesn't even work on it. Not arguing. If Saryn is really that awesome I'd love to know, but I don't see how a DoT that scales with nothing can be called 'exponentially indefinitely' damaging. Last I recall, Focus works on it...Unless you both mean Focus does not work on Saryn's 1, in which case i'm going to need to test this eventually. I do know that Miasma scales with Focus though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanityRobot Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Also, while Saryn's damage potential is off the charts, it is actually pretty fun for everyone involved. Spraying into a group and seeing so many explosions your screen turns white is orgasmic, whether or not you were the one who used Venom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenrirous Posted August 22, 2013 Author Share Posted August 22, 2013 How do you mean scales exponentially? It's a static amount of damage per tic and Focus doesn't even work on it. Not arguing. If Saryn is really that awesome I'd love to know, but I don't see how a DoT that scales with nothing can be called 'exponentially indefinitely' damaging. focus does work with saryn's venom damage, and the more spores you pop the more damage it does, and multiple spores can stack on the same target, and they also burst and spread, and stack on other targets. plz watch the video that was linked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerieone Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Agreed, once i got the Flux it finally becomes viable to use Venom because of the easy Venom-Pop. I hoped to be the first one with that combination, yet i´m glad to see that other people love the saryn as much as i do and try to maximize the build instead of running to the easily accessible damage-dealer nova. with early-on spore-use i easily excel nova on xini in damage. the flux per-se is a great weapon. in addition, having deth-cube unload his gorgon everywhere also helps to pop some Venom around. rock on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaperAlien Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 venom is a useless spell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stygi Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Fool, you have to alternate between enemies and also the randomly generated locations of the spore. I'd like to see you try this without a Nyx.. Cause I'm sure Nyx can do wave 50 without a Saryn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rksk16it Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) Venom requires more player interaction than Nova. You actually have to shoot a randomly generated spore sac to activate the skill damage potential. It also require a lot of enemies within the spores' range when it rupture. If you use it against lone target, it doesn't do much damage. Just sufficient to kill an elite after a few well-placed shot. TBH, it shines in defense when player use it in Moult/Venom combo + fast firing weapon with shred. Nova, on the other hand, require almost nothing to setup the stage and she will blow everything before Saryn even manage to burst the first sac. Therefore, Nova. Nova aint blowing sh*t when enemies reach lvl 300. Any nova player who thinks he can outdps my saryn beyond lvl 300 mobs is welcome to add me in the game. I'll be more than glad to burst that Nova myth, one player at a time. Edited August 22, 2013 by rksk16it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neKroMancer Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Nova aint blowing sh*t when enemies reach lvl 300. Any nova player who thinks he can outdps my saryn beyond lvl 300 mobs is welcome to add me in the game. I'll be more than glad to burst that Nova myth, one player at a time. Ha, I don't play Nova but I have been playing with them enough to know what they can do best. Lv300? Saryn won't reach that far without Frost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rksk16it Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Ha, I don't play Nova but I have been playing with them enough to know what they can do best. Lv300? Saryn won't reach that far without Frost. This isnt about Saryn vs Frost, its about Saryn vs Nova. Looks like you've been playing only low level defenses like T3. Get me a frost and vauban(or nyx), and bring your Nova (or anyone who you think can beat me in dps). When enemies reach lvl 300, we will see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neKroMancer Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 This isnt about Saryn vs Frost, its about Saryn vs Nova. Looks like you've been playing only low level defenses like T3. Get me a frost and vauban(or nyx), and bring your Nova (or anyone who you think can beat me in dps). When enemies reach lvl 300, we will see... Huh, could you please read my post in the first page again? In my post I compare these two powers in term of player interaction to the game. Venom requires more steps to use with certain weapon setup while Nova doesn't need any of that. Moreover, Venom doesn't help teammate since it doesn't have significant debuff. On the other hand, Nova also has great debuff (*2 damage and slow at the same time) and she doesn't even have to aim her power. In my verdict, Nova wins in ease of use and debuff. Moreover, there is no need for me to go proving this thing. Lv300 and lv150 doesn't make any difference imo. Just a prove that Warframe is succumbing to powercreep. I main Saryn and understand how her power interact and I realized that her Venom is the most powerful damage ability in the game a few months ago before I reset. Probably before anyone came up with Saryn VS Nova thingy to defend Nova. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rksk16it Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) Huh, could you please read my post in the first page again? In my post I compare these two powers in term of player interaction to the game. Venom requires more steps to use with certain weapon setup while Nova doesn't need any of that. Moreover, Venom doesn't help teammate since it doesn't have significant debuff. On the other hand, Nova also has great debuff (*2 damage and slow at the same time) and she doesn't even have to aim her power. In my verdict, Nova wins in ease of use and debuff. Moreover, there is no need for me to go proving this thing. Lv300 and lv150 doesn't make any difference imo. Just a prove that Warframe is succumbing to powercreep. I main Saryn and understand how her power interact and I realized that her Venom is the most powerful damage ability in the game a few months ago before I reset. Probably before anyone came up with Saryn VS Nova thingy to defend Nova. And perhaps you are missing the keypoint I am trying to make : Level 300+. That "ease of use" and "helping teammates" are useless if enemies are not dying fast enough. Nova snares enemies, and allows her teammates to do double dmg.. so.. what ? Saryn DoTs enemies, which can do multiple times more damage than an entire team with ogris and nova can ever manage to do. And yes, your statement "Nova can explode things before Saryn can explore one sac of Venom" is kindda lulzy funny, when we are talking about high level defense. Notice the word : "high". Edited August 22, 2013 by rksk16it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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