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You don't need that with people who don't mess up.

 

Real world is a complicated place. A cat may jump on Vauban player's keyboard when he was about to bastile. Going to very high waves requires an investment in time since lower waves are a tedium to deal with. I like to protect that investment.

 

 

This doesn't actually tell you anything besides "SKILL INCREASES DPS, HURR DURR" - that should be obvious. I cannot get over the 2x damage because it's literally what makes Nova untouchable DPS-wise - mathematically speaking. You cannot physically reach the amount of DPS caused by Molecular Prime if you're actually concerned about exact mathematics. This makes Nova the frame with the highest potential DPS - she just cannot reach it on her own. I'm also fully aware of just how nitpicky this argument is.

 

Yes pls, you can argue all day talking about maths, so I think I have to use the same language I used before :

 

Bring a nova with me to a defense with lvl 300+ enemies, and do mprime and note down the time taken. Then on next wave DO mprime, and again note down the time taken.

 

Do it for multiple waves, and add up time extra time it took to clear the waves where you didnt used mprime. After doing that, compare it to the total time taken to clear all the waves.

 

The "usefulness" of Nova in that situation is negligible, totally not worth the player slot. She is obsoleted by Saryn in that situation. You can argue all you want cuz you are actually not arguing against my point but completely different thing :

 

You are saying : Nova has highest dps cuz she is doubling the dmg of everyone (including Saryn).

I am saying : Doubling of dmg isnt worth anything significant if Saryn is in group, you can replace Nova with anything else and mobs will still die easily, ofc taking few extra seconds.

 

Those two statements are not logically countering each other, they can both be true at the same time.

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Nova one shotting things hmm ? What is the highest wave you went in your "testing ground" ? 20 ?

 

Go to 100, then come and say Nova is blowing things up.

 

 

 

Yes, one extra warframe just to save a few shots... I have ammo mutation mods with me, so like I said, Nova is not really needed.

First off, having Nova in a group isn't to save shots. She is there to make things die faster, she just happens to make your ammo pool last longer by making everything die at 2x speed.

 

Oh yea, forgot to comment on this in my last post.

 

No I dont need groups that tight packed as you may think. Either your weapon is bad, or you are not doing it right.

Second off, I said to get close to an 8x nova. The spore popping is good with 2 enemies, but not 8x damage good.

 

Yes pls, you can argue all day talking about maths, so I think I have to use the same language I used before :

 

Bring a nova with me to a defense with lvl 300+ enemies, and do mprime and note down the time taken. Then on next wave DO mprime, and again note down the time taken.

 

Do it for multiple waves, and add up time extra time it took to clear the waves where you didnt used mprime. After doing that, compare it to the total time taken to clear all the waves.

 

The "usefulness" of Nova in that situation is negligible, totally not worth the player slot. She is obsoleted by Saryn in that situation. You can argue all you want cuz you are actually not arguing against my point but completely different thing :

 

You are saying : Nova has highest dps cuz she is doubling the dmg of everyone (including Saryn).

I am saying : Doubling of dmg isnt worth anything significant if Saryn is in group, you can replace Nova with anything else and mobs will still die easily, ofc taking few extra seconds.

 

Those two statements are not logically countering each other, they can both be true at the same time.

Isn't the point of bringing a Nova or a Saryn just to speed things up? Why not go 4 Vaubans with ammo mutations and slowly kill the waves? With the right mods, they could have a bastille going non-stop. If you don't care about taking longer, don't bring Saryn. Just go with someone who has more utility. Perhaps Nova?

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First off, having Nova in a group isn't to save shots. She is there to make things die faster, she just happens to make your ammo pool last longer by making everything die at 2x speed.

 

Second off, I said to get close to an 8x nova. The spore popping is good with 2 enemies, but not 8x damage good.

 

Isn't the point of bringing a Nova or a Saryn just to speed things up? Why not go 4 Vaubans with ammo mutations and slowly kill the waves? With the right mods, they could have a bastille going non-stop. If you don't care about taking longer, don't bring Saryn. Just go with someone who has more utility. Perhaps Nova?

 

You are either overestimating Nova or underestimating Saryn or both, or just dont know how to play it right.

 

Yea spore popping is more than 50x good. That 8x Nova is useless to the point of irrelevance. In front of Saryn, both Nova and Vauban are more or less the same.

 

Nope I am not going with Nova because I am not going stop at wave 20. Please argue more, I know it hurts to know that Nova does LESS dmg than Saryn.

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You are either overestimating Nova or underestimating Saryn or both, or just dont know how to play it right.

 

Yea spore popping is more than 50x good. That 8x Nova is useless to the point of irrelevance. In front of Saryn, both Nova and Vauban are more or less the same.

 

Nope I am not going with Nova because I am not going stop at wave 20. Please argue more, I know it hurts to know that Nova does LESS dmg than Saryn.

Well that's it folks. I guess you are just mad and are just arguing to argue at this point. You refused to accept facts when someone presented them with math. And you refuse to acknowledge anything that isn't your opinion as having any truth. 

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Well that's it folks. I guess you are just mad and are just arguing to argue at this point. You refused to accept facts when someone presented them with math. And you refuse to acknowledge anything that isn't your opinion as having any truth. 

 

Facts ? You are giving opinions just like everyone else. Post a video clip like OP, or invite me to a game with, then it is some proof.

 

Other than that, dont call your opinions facts.

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Here is another video showing saryn's venom killing high lvl monsters faster and better than M prime can, however there is something wrong with it where when it does multiple explosions it lags warframe down for everyone in the mission, but it only happens for a short time, I feel like D.E. knows about this and will eventually fix it, but if they do not know, I guess this should be posted somewhere else as well. The effect is similar to how M prime used to blind people with its explosion, with the added effect of lagging the game to the point if almost crashing. Oh and fair warning its kind of low quality but I do not own fraps and can not find a program that can record in high quality.

 

 

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Well that's it folks. I guess you are just mad and are just arguing to argue at this point. You refused to accept facts when someone presented them with math. And you refuse to acknowledge anything that isn't your opinion as having any truth. 

 

 

No you simply don't understand that under the current model l300 armor reduces nova's damage to nothing, including weapon damage from other sources under MP, while venom continues to damage targets at the same rate ignoring protection and doing recursive backfire at a literally exponential rate.

 

If you've never fought l300 enemies you have no idea what it entails.

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Here is another video showing saryn's venom killing high lvl monsters faster and better than M prime can, however there is something wrong with it where when it does multiple explosions it lags warframe down for everyone in the mission, but it only happens for a short time, I feel like D.E. knows about this and will eventually fix it, but if they do not know, I guess this should be posted somewhere else as well. The effect is similar to how M prime used to blind people with its explosion, with the added effect of lagging the game to the point if almost crashing. Oh and fair warning its kind of low quality but I do not own fraps and can not find a program that can record in high quality.

 

 

 

 

Venom will cause anything less than an Extreme edition i5 to crash if spammed too hard.

 

Expect changes.

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Venom will cause anything less than an Extreme edition i5 to crash if spammed too hard.

 

Expect changes.

 

If that is fixed, that will be ONE HUUUUGE buff to venom. I mean seriously, if I am playing Saryn in a defense mission and pods get destroyed (mission failure), 99.9% it is because host or other players had their game crashed cuz of Venom.

 

Otherwise, if every player has a good PC, then its such a blast. T3 defense last wave.. meh.. as soon as they all gather around the snow globe, a bright green flash, slight fps hiccup for a second, and "mission complete".

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Oh porn Nova fanboys.

 

 

First, who the hell actually assumed that Nova's overall damage output surpasses Venom?

Second, wasn't the max. enemy level 226? The last time I played defense for high waves, from ~70 to 120 all enemies were level 226.

Third, Saryn>all.

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Oh porn Nova fanboys.

 

 

First, who the hell actually assumed that Nova's overall damage output surpasses Venom?

Second, wasn't the max. enemy level 226? The last time I played defense for high waves, from ~70 to 120 all enemies were level 226.

Third, Saryn>all.

 

Uhm.. I have seen screenshots and videos where enemy levels go over 1k. Just go to youtube and look for terms like "warframe xini" or "warframe outer terminus" etc...

 

Regarding Venom vs Nova, most of the ppl even if after realizing Venom's dmg potential, just stick to the point : "MP makes it 2x". That is mostly the issue with players who dont usually see Venom in high level defense either because they never seen any mob above level 150 in their life or they never seen any venom saryn dealing with them. So what they usually do is they keep firing at those bullet sponges with their weapons for like 5 to 10 minutes, and thats why assume that having a Nova will save them like "few minutes per mob". Little they realize that a mob which may take 10 minutes to kill by a whole team, can die in 10-15 seconds with venom.

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First, who the hell actually assumed that Nova's overall damage output surpasses Venom?

Second, wasn't the max. enemy level 226? The last time I played defense for high waves, from ~70 to 120 all enemies were level 226.

Third, Saryn>all.

 

Maxlvl is 9999.

 

Source: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Au6mBXle3cFtdHBYUzVJaDJfdkIzSEN1cUh5UlRvckE&f=true&noheader=true&gid=10

 

Edit: This actually means that you should be able to "beat" defense.

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hm 1 vauban 2 saryns 1 nova lets see if we can reach it

 

Hmm.. 2 saryns is not optimal IMO. Its not saryn who is doing the dmg directly, its the spores. Any warframe can pop spores if equipped with a suitable weapon. Change one saryn with something more useful, and ask him/her to carry a "spore-popper", that should be a better option.

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Thanks. Now to do what you said.

 

I am basing that statement on the line in the table saying "Spawns above Max Level: No" - I have no empirical evidence. Just keep that in mind before you start melting your own CPU. They might just continue spawning at lvl 9999.

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you not  wrong  but saryn finisher  push more dmg too beside nova  =) with the right combi you  do  975  ticks  with her finisher your f aster you  got more  armour and  more  hp and shield  then  every single nova  out  there and  still at  wave 60  70 80th  +  your going for  9750  dmg caue  your  tick  with 975  and  with  both time  mods  you got 10  ticks + they stack  too  ;D nova  faisl  after  a high  wave  with  dmg saryn never so im  laughing  to  about  the  nova nerf  QQ a  big  boom isnt  all you  need  to melt  your enemys  to  slime  

 

best t eam EVER  Vauban Sayrin  Rhino nova  = ulti  dmg and cause all  skills and weapons doing 3x dmg 

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you not  wrong  but saryn finisher  push more dmg too beside nova  =) with the right combi you  do  975  ticks  with her finisher your f aster you  got more  armour and  more  hp and shield  then  every single nova  out  there and  still at  wave 60  70 80th  +  your going for  9750  dmg caue  your  tick  with 975  and  with  both time  mods  you got 10  ticks + they stack  too  ;D nova  faisl  after  a high  wave  with  dmg saryn never so im  laughing  to  about  the  nova nerf  QQ a  big  boom isnt  all you  need  to melt  your enemys  to  slime  

 

best t eam EVER  Vauban Sayrin  Rhino nova  = ulti  dmg and cause all  skills and weapons doing 3x dmg 

it's not the "finisher" (=ult, so miasma here) that is interesting in saryn for high levels, it's venom (her first ability).

venom can be stacked indefinitly at an extremely fast rate (dozens of times per seconds) by poping the spores on the enemies with a weapon.

 

the only limit is the host's CPU capacity to withstand the calculations without crashing.

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